Is Judaismus still an appropriate way to be saved?

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Some theologians say that Judaism still is a way to receive salvation. What does the church say?
 
Philophil said:
Some theologians say that Judaism still is a way to receive salvation. What does the church say?
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The Church says that all salvation comes through the Church and its Sacraments, and in particular through Jesus Christ, whether for Catholics, other Christians, Jews, or everyone else. All are saved through the mercy of G-d, including those who are invincibly ignorant.

The theologians who say that Judaism is still a way to receive salvation are rabbis! However, Judaism does not exclude anyone from being saved (and neither does Catholicism), provided one lives according to moral practices and atones for one’s sins. Ultimately, as in Catholicism, salvation depends on the mercy and justice of G-d.
 
meltzerboy said:
The Church says that all salvation comes through the Church and its Sacraments, and in particular through Jesus Christ, whether for Catholics, other Christians, Jews, or everyone else. All are saved through the mercy of G-d, including those who are invincibly ignorant.

The theologians who say that Judaism is still a way to receive salvation are rabbis! However, Judaism does not exclude anyone from being saved (and neither does Catholicism), provided one lives according to moral practices and atones for one’s sins. Ultimately, as in Catholicism, salvation depends on the mercy and justice of G-d.
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I hear psalm 103 in my head, suddenly.
 
Philophil said:
Some theologians say that Judaism still is a way to receive salvation. What does the church say?
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Well the Jew will say, salvation from what? From a Jewish perspective, all people are born pure and sinless with a great capacity for doing good.
 
Philophil said:
Some theologians say that Judaism still is a way to receive salvation. What does the church say?
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Well, the answer to the thread title would be kinda yes, and kinda no.

The Church says that one is saved by the merits of his faith and his good work. The proper approach to faith is through the Catholic Church, of course. There is no such thing as salvation by faith alone, but it’s possible, if you are of another faith or even don’t have one, to attain salvation through your works and through the faith you know. But as I understand it, it’s like missing out on an opportunity to your benefit. And there’s no converting from Catholicism to anything else.
 
Philophil said:
Some theologians say that Judaism still is a way to receive salvation. What does the church say?
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Well the Church says that Salvation is through Jesus Christ. But it also says:

CCC 840 Gods people of the Old Covenant and the New people of God tend towards similar goals expectation of the coming or return of the Messiah. But one who awaits the retun of the Messiah who died and rose from the dead and is recognized as the Lord and the Son of God, while the other awaits the coming of a Messiah whose features remain hidden till the end of time and the later waiting is accompanied by the drama of ot knowing or understanding Christ Jesus.

Anotherwards they will see it and then accept it!😃

So they will see that they are also saved through Jesus Christ. Some will see it before, some when the Messiah comes again. But they will see it!😃
 
The idea that there are multiple paths to salvation has been rejected as heresy.

Salvation is through Christ alone. Jews have no leg up on any other religion.
 
chosen_people said:
Well the Jew will say, salvation from what? From a Jewish perspective, all people are born pure and sinless with a great capacity for doing good.
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Indeed, the purpose of the Messiah according to Judaism is not salvation, but the accomplishment of certain great tasks which reflect G-d’s will and plan, including peace among the nations of the world, a return of the Jews to their homeland, Israel, and a universal belief in the moral and religious principles contained in Judaism and the Torah, apart from conversion to the religion. Salvation (or, rather, redemption), never a major theme in Judaism, is an entirely individual matter, which may be attained by means of prayer, atonement for sins, and the study of Torah and practice of Torah in one’s life through good deeds; but it is ultimately the province and judgment of G-d by His mercy and justice in response to the choices we make by exercising our free will.
 
Judaism was never a way to receive salvation. Even those who practiced the Law still weren’t allowed into Heaven. The ONLY reason those who were in the Limbo of the Fathers were there was because they practiced the Law in the love of God, with the hope of the Messiah.
 
@ Rinnie: Thank you! That was, why I was asking. Is is special with the News that they may remain jews and being on the right (but not on the perfect) path?
 
Christ Himself said that the only way to the Father is through Him. The Jews rejected Christ. How can it be an appropriate way to be saved?
 
meltzerboy said:
The The theologians who say that Judaism is still a way to receive salvation are rabbis! However .
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not necessarily because most rabbis would not use the term salvation in the sense Christians do, particularly evangelical Christians. Best not to put words in to the mouths of teachers of other faiths. If you are asking what the Church teaches it is that salvation comes through Jesus Christ alone and the ordinary means established by him on Earth to make his salvific grace available to all is the Catholic Church. So all who are saved receive that grace through the sacraments of the Church–whether or not they even know her or about her or accept her. The Church admits that Christ may save who he wills, as he is not bound by the sacraments, but that grace he may impart to a soul not in communion with the Church still is mediated through her and her sacraments, even to one who has not received them. That is no guarantee that those separated from the Church will be saved, it is allowance for the fact that Christ works as he wills in whom he wills.
 
meltzerboy said:
Indeed, the purpose of the Messiah according to Judaism is not salvation, but the accomplishment of certain great tasks which reflect G-d’s will and plan, including peace among the nations of the world, a return of the Jews to their homeland, Israel, and a universal belief in the moral and religious principles contained in Judaism and the Torah, apart from conversion to the religion. Salvation (or, rather, redemption), never a major theme in Judaism, is an entirely individual matter, which may be attained by means of prayer, atonement for sins, and the study of Torah and practice of Torah in one’s life through good deeds; but it is ultimately the province and judgment of G-d by His mercy and justice in response to the choices we make by exercising our free will.
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Well said Meltzerboy - this does reflect mainstream (recognizing there isn’t a totatally uniform view within rabbinic judaism) on the topic. That said, there was and is a concept of “eternal life” in Judaism (both in scripture and Talmud) reserved for the righteous. I suppose it ultimately comes down to what “righteous” is in the eyes of God.

A believer in Yeshua/Jesus (Christian) understands this to be through faith in Yeshua and the righteousness we obtain through accepting and applying his sacrifice (atonement). Of course, faith without “works” is dead faith - so our faith through love and obedience brings us naturally to resist sin and repent when we do sin.

In temple period judaism, this “righteousness” was also imputed in a similar way through sacrifice (atonement) in the Temple (most significantly on Yom Kippur) but also through “works” (good deads) and faith. God’s salvation plan, I would say, has not changed and there isn’t quite the “divide” between jewish thinking and Christian thinking on this as many suggest (IMO).

Blessings,

Brian
 
chosen_people said:
Well the Jew will say, salvation from what? From a Jewish perspective, all people are born pure and sinless with a great capacity for doing good.
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I take it you’re not an Orthodox Jew. I was told that an observant Orthodox Jew would acknowledge that there is an original sin and a need for salvation because of it.
 
meltzerboy said:
Indeed, the purpose of the Messiah according to Judaism is not salvation, but the accomplishment of certain great tasks which reflect G-d’s will and plan, including peace among the nations of the world, a return of the Jews to their homeland, Israel, and a universal belief in the moral and religious principles contained in Judaism and the Torah, apart from conversion to the religion. Salvation (or, rather, redemption), never a major theme in Judaism, is an entirely individual matter, which may be attained by means of prayer, atonement for sins, and the study of Torah and practice of Torah in one’s life through good deeds; but it is ultimately the province and judgment of G-d by His mercy and justice in response to the choices we make by exercising our free will.
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What was Gen. 2 about, then?
 
Lapell said:
I take it you’re not an Orthodox Jew. I was told that an observant Orthodox Jew would acknowledge that there is an original sin and a need for salvation because of it.
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Orthodox (Torah) Judaism does not believe in original sin; neither does Conservative, Reform, or Reconstructionist Judaism. I’m not sure about Karaite Judaism. In the history of the religion, only a tiny minority argued in favor of original sin. Many Jews do believe, according to the Thirteen Principles of Faith by Maimonides, in the eventual resurrection of the dead and in the judgment of G-d (some say sentencing since they believe we judge ourselves according to the actions we committed). Some also believe it is Satan who executes G-d’s sentence. In Judaism, Satan is not regarded as the evil devil the way he is in Christianity and Islam, but rather as the Angel of Death and the messenger of G-d on Earth, the tempter, who tests our free will.
 
Lapell said:
What was Gen. 2 about, then?
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Judaism believes that Adam and Eve did sin, but we do not inherit their sin. If anything, we inherit their innocence before they sinned. According to the religion, we are born with that innocence, our good inclination. However, we also have the tendency to be self-focused. Our so-called evil inclination is needed for survival and used to feed and clothe ourselves, make love, work, and so on. When the evil inclination is abused, we are committing sin, which we must atone for.
 
Lapell said:
I take it you’re not an Orthodox Jew. I was told that an observant Orthodox Jew would acknowledge that there is an original sin and a need for salvation because of it.
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You were misinformed. Christians found themselves with a person who had supposedly been the Messiah ben David (and who latter they would make into a god) who obviously had not brought about the Messianic age. It was Christianity which found the answer, without any basis in Judaism and in complete contrast to the Jewish concept of the Messiah ben David and to the Jewish concept of God. According to the Christian concept, all are born with the blot of original sin and the shedding of the blood of the Christian god in human form brought about the basis for “salvation” from this “sin”. From a Jewish perspective,as one Jewish poster on Catholic answers forums so aptly puts it, Christians invented both the disease and the cure.
 
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