Is Judas in hell?

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what is the official teaching of the Church on him…?
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AtourDOMAN said:
what is the official teaching of the Church on him…?
Many thanks…
Atour
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Since Christ (who knows all) says of Judas “better for him if that man had not been born”, we have to presume he is in Hell.

God Bless
 
thankyou I agree

Sorry I got side tracked by google.

All this protestant stuff online (dont know who it is) says otherwise.

It is from Hell.

Saying judas is in heaven anbd that it was early tradition.

Also in Acts Peter stands up and says about him that he fell headlong into a field - it became the field of Blood and that “let someone else take his office”.

Likewise when our Lord was on the Earth, he said “one of you is a devil”. so there we have it.

Thanks for your reply. X

Atour
 
I know the Catholic Church has no official statement on the state of Judas’s soul, but I really don’t see any other way to interpret our Lord’s words in the Gospel other than to say that Judas is in Hell…but maybe I just can’t think of another interpretation 🤷 Officially, the Church has made no declaration on the state of Judas’s soul.
 
bilop said:
Since Christ (who knows all) says of Judas “better for him if that man had not been born”, we have to presume he is in Hell.

God Bless
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The Church does not require any such thing of us. In fact I am fairly sure that the Church teaches that nobody’s damnation is assured. We can neither be sure if someone is in Hell or Heaven except where the Church has infallibly decreed a canonization as the sure sign that a saint is interceding for us in Heaven.

In fact, I would say it is possible, however unlikely, that an all-merciful, ever-forgiving God welcomed Judas into Heaven because Judas had performed one of the necessary tasks for the salvation of mankind. But then there is the issue of his notorious suicide in Matthew 27, which if it happened as described, probably did not give him the chance to repent.

I think it is a subject of acceptable debate, something that does not fundamentally affect our faith whether or not it is true. Feel free to believe what you want about Judas.
 
bilop said:
Since Christ (who knows all) says of Judas “better for him if that man had not been born”, we have to presume he is in Hell.
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Not necessarily. The realization that he had betrayed his Master had such a devastating effect he killed himself out of remorse. A devil would have simply smiled smugly, collected his reward and boasted of his achievement to the Jews who persecuted the Christians as soon as Jesus had apparently been eliminated…
 
tonyrey said:
Not necessarily. The realization that he had betrayed his Master had such a devastating effect he killed himself out of remorse. A devil would have simply smiled smugly, collected his reward and boasted of his achievement to the Jews who persecuted the Christians as soon as Jesus had apparently been eliminated…
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The sin that likely damned him was killing himself in despair, not betraying Christ.

He could have been forgiven for betraying Christ, like Peter, but despaired.

God Bless
 
Elizium23 said:
The Church does not require any such thing of us. In fact I am fairly sure that the Church teaches that nobody’s damnation is assured. We can neither be sure if someone is in Hell or Heaven except where the Church has infallibly decreed a canonization as the sure sign that a saint is interceding for us in Heaven.

In fact, I would say it is possible, however unlikely, that an all-merciful, ever-forgiving God welcomed Judas into Heaven because Judas had performed one of the necessary tasks for the salvation of mankind. But then there is the issue of his notorious suicide in Matthew 27, which if it happened as described, probably did not give him the chance to repent.

I think it is a subject of acceptable debate, something that does not fundamentally affect our faith whether or not it is true. Feel free to believe what you want about Judas.
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It is not de fide, so can certainly be debated, but I see no reason why you’d want to. Why is it so hard to believe Judas was damned?

Just because an act was necessary, doesn’t mean Judas was the one who had to do it.

Also, he is not (very likely) damned because of betraying Christ; Peter did that and was forgiven. He is almost certainly damned because he despaired of God’s forgiveness, and committed suicide out of despair.

I am always afraid of these arguments, because they seem to lead towards a faulty theology of universal salvation, when the likelihood (based on Christ’s own words, and many private revelations) is that most people are damned.

God Bless
 
bilop said:
It is not de fide, so can certainly be debated, but I see no reason why you’d want to. Why is it so hard to believe Judas was damned?

Just because an act was necessary, doesn’t mean Judas was the one who had to do it.

Also, he is not (very likely) damned because of betraying Christ; Peter did that and was forgiven. He is almost certainly damned because he despaired of God’s forgiveness, and committed suicide out of despair.

I am always afraid of these arguments, because they seem to lead towards a faulty theology of universal salvation, when the likelihood (based on Christ’s own words, and many private revelations) is that most people are damned.

God Bless
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MOST people are damned?:confused::eek:
 
It may be weird to say this, but I wouldn’t be surprised if he was in Heaven.
 
bilop said:
It is not de fide, so can certainly be debated, but I see no reason why you’d want to. Why is it so hard to believe Judas was damned?

Just because an act was necessary, doesn’t mean Judas was the one who had to do it.

Also, he is not (very likely) damned because of betraying Christ; Peter did that and was forgiven. He is almost certainly damned because he despaired of God’s forgiveness, and committed suicide out of despair.

I am always afraid of these arguments, because they seem to lead towards a faulty theology of universal salvation, when the likelihood (based on Christ’s own words, and many private revelations) is that most people are damned.

God Bless
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What did Jesus say that leads you to that conclusion?
 
bilop said:
The sin that likely damned him was killing himself in despair, not betraying Christ.

He could have been forgiven for betraying Christ, like Peter, but despaired.
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So a brief period of despair merited an eternity of suffering? :eek:
 
tonyrey said:
So a brief period of despair merited an eternity of suffering? :eek:
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We have no way of knowing. First, take warning and don’t fall - hold fast to your faith and don’t let anything take it away. Second, have hope - anyone can be saved. But not all will be.
 
tonyrey said:
What did Jesus say that leads you to that conclusion?
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Really? St. Matthew Ch. 7
[13] Enter ye in at the narrow gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way that leadeth to destruction, and many there are who go in thereat. [Matthew 7:13] [Latin] [14] How narrow is the gate, and strait is the way that leadeth to life: and few there are that find it!
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tonyrey said:
So a brief period of despair merited an eternity of suffering? :eek:
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If you kill yourself in that period of despair, yes.

Just like a brief period of repentance (i.e. deathbed confession) is sufficient to save you.

God Bless
 
bilop said:
If you kill yourself in that period of despair, yes.

Just like a brief period of repentance (i.e. deathbed confession) is sufficient to save you.
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That would be the acme of injustice totally inconsistent with God’s infinite love and mercy…
 
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