Is Liberal Catholicism Dead?

[CradleCath]

I just finished an interesting article & thought I’d share it with the forum. An Exerpt:

Is Liberal Catholicism Dead?

He may not have been thinking about it at the time, but Pope Benedict, in the course of his recent U.S. visit may have dealt a knockout blow to the liberal American Catholicism that has challenged Rome since the early 1960s. He did so by speaking frankly and forcefully of his “deep shame” during his meeting with victims of the Church’s sex-abuse scandal. By demonstrating that he “gets” this most visceral of issues, the pontiff may have successfully mollified a good many alienated believers — and in the process, neutralized the last great rallying point for what was once a feisty and optimistic style of progressivism.

There’s more at:
time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1737323,00.html?xid=feed-cnn-topic

Any comments??

 

[Dauphin]

Let’s not let down our guard just yet. The most virulent form of modernism is entering its death throes - and that’s when it’s bound to get most vicious.

 

[rwoehmke]

I think that there is still a fairly significant number of middle aged and elderly Catholics out there who will remain pro-choice, not be perturbed by the notion of women priests, who see no problems with contraception, missing Mass on Sunday, and other issues. As the article says, the younger folks, many influenced by their “liberal” parents, ignore certain positions held by the Church and do their own thing justified by their own defective consciences or just walk away and go elsewhere or nowhere where they don’t feel any “pinch.” “Liberalism” is gray or graying and in a few years will no longer be an issue as they will either be dead or in some other place then in the Catholic Church. The sad side of that coin will be the number who will lose their salvation in the process.

 

[SedesDomi]

What is a “liberal” Catholic?

liberal (adj.) c.1375, from O.Fr. liberal “befitting free men, noble, generous,” from L. liberalis “noble, generous,” lit. “pertaining to a free man,” from liber “free,” from PIE base *leudheros (cf. Gk. eleutheros “free”), probably originally “belonging to the people” (though the precise semantic development is obscure), from *leudho- “people” (cf. O.C.S. ljudu, Lith. liaudis, O.E. leod, Ger. Leute “nation, people”). Earliest reference in Eng. is to the liberal arts (L. artes liberales; see art (n.)), the seven attainments directed to intellectual enlargement, not immediate practical purpose, and thus deemed worthy of a free man (the word in this sense was opposed to servile or mechanical).

The purpose of Catholicism is to help people become more and more liberal, more and more free, to venerate, contemplate, and obey the Trinity.

Satan wants you bound, shackled, and un-liberal.

Christ wants you unbound (which, in Buddhism, is termed ‘nirvana-ed’), unshackled, and liberal.

 

[carjack]

I think that there is still a fairly significant number of middle aged and elderly Catholics out there who will remain pro-choice, not be perturbed by the notion of women priests, who see no problems with contraception, missing Mass on Sunday, and other issues. As the article says, the younger folks, many influenced by their “liberal” parents, ignore certain positions held by the Church and do their own thing justified by their own defective consciences or just walk away and go elsewhere or nowhere where they don’t feel any “pinch.” “Liberalism” is gray or graying and in a few years will no longer be an issue as they will either be dead or in some other place then in the Catholic Church. The sad side of that coin will be the number who will lose their salvation in the process.

I didn’t know that people who were non-Catholic and liberal automatically lose their salvation?

 

[belgianwaffles9]

All you need to do is look at cathcon.blogspot.com/ to see that the virus of liberal Catholicism is alive and well.

We can never let our guard down… heresies have sprung up throughout every age, and has always been disguised as “reform.” It will always exist, and we will always need to fight it.

And on an even sadder note, Spiller should be here any miute now, telling us all how horrible traditionalists are.

 

[carjack]

All you need to do is look at cathcon.blogspot.com/ to see that the virus of liberal Catholicism is alive and well.

We can never let our guard down… heresies have sprung up throughout every age, and has always been disguised as “reform.” It will always exist, and we will always need to fight it.

And on an even sadder note, Spiller should be here any miute now, telling us all how horrible traditionalists are.

I don’t think traditionalism is evil. To assume someone who is not Catholic and is a liberal is not going to be saved is assumiing too much. I think and no disrespect to anyone.

 

[ethelzguy]

I just finished an interesting article & thought I’d share it with the forum. An Exerpt:

Is Liberal Catholicism Dead?

He may not have been thinking about it at the time, but Pope Benedict, in the course of his recent U.S. visit may have dealt a knockout blow to the liberal American Catholicism that has challenged Rome since the early 1960s. He did so by speaking frankly and forcefully of his “deep shame” during his meeting with victims of the Church’s sex-abuse scandal. By demonstrating that he “gets” this most visceral of issues, the pontiff may have successfully mollified a good many alienated believers — and in the process, neutralized the last great rallying point for what was once a feisty and optimistic style of progressivism.

There’s more at:
time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1737323,00.html?xid=feed-cnn-topic

Any comments??

So, you’re saying that the sex/pedophila scandals are part of “Liberal Catholicism”?

 

[CradleCath]

I think that there is still a fairly significant number of middle aged and elderly Catholics out there who will remain pro-choice, not be perturbed by the notion of women priests, who see no problems with contraception, missing Mass on Sunday, and other issues. As the article says, the younger folks, many influenced by their “liberal” parents, ignore certain positions held by the Church and do their own thing justified by their own defective consciences or just walk away and go elsewhere or nowhere where they don’t feel any “pinch.” "Liberalism" is gray or graying and in a few years will no longer be an issue as they will either be dead or in some other place then in the Catholic Church. The sad side of that coin will be the number who will lose their salvation in the process.

I agree. The white-haired hippies of the 60’s have had their day. And for some, it seems to have been the high-light of their life. It didn’t seem like, at the time, that there were so many in our faith, so filled with disatisfaction, I think they just make a lot of noise. What’s sad is that many of them are part of my own generation. I was just too busy going to college, marrying & having babies during that decade to partake in the “festivities”. Aside from that, my younger brother, had been drafted…it seemed like he walked across the stage to get his college diploma & straight down the stairs into the arms of the draft board. Six months later he was in Vietnam, so I didn’t think that smokin’ dope, marchin’ & rejecting the faith of my forefathers was going to help anything.

We did have a guitar-playing, “morally liberal” priest at my parish, everyone who wanted a “yes” about the question of artificial birth control went to see him to hear those magic words…“do what your conscience tells you to do”. I have no idea what happened to him.

 

[CradleCath]

What is a “liberal” Catholic?

The purpose of Catholicism is to help people become more and more liberal, more and more free, to venerate, contemplate, and obey the Trinity.

Satan wants you bound, shackled, and un-liberal.

Christ wants you unbound (which, in Buddhism, is termed ‘nirvana-ed’), unshackled, and liberal.

WHOOPS!! You gave the definition of the adjective “liberal”. We were speaking of people called “liberals”. That’s a NOUN.

Main Entry: 2liberal
Function: noun
: a person who is liberal: as a : one who is open-minded or** not strict in the observance of orthodox, traditional, or established forms or ways **

 

[CradleCath]

QUOTE=belgianwaffles9;3778022]All you need to do is look at cathcon.blogspot.com/ to see that the virus of liberal Catholicism is alive and well.

We can never let our guard down… heresies have sprung up throughout every age, and has always been disguised as “reform.” It will always exist, and we will always need to fight it.

From your link:
n the Diocese of Linz, female pastoral assistants have been baptising.
Rome has now stepped in. There is much wailing and gnashing of teeth.

And on an even sadder note, Spiller should be here any miute now, telling us all how horrible traditionalists are.

:bigyikes:

 

[SedesDomi]

WHOOPS!! You gave the definition of the adjective “liberal”. We were speaking of people called “liberals”. That’s a NOUN.

Main Entry: 2liberal
Function: noun
: a person who is liberal: as a : one who is open-minded or** not strict in the observance of orthodox, traditional, or established forms or ways **

Of course, the noun is merely derivative of the adjective: the original definition of “liberal”, closest to the Latin original liber (“free, not enslaved”), is:

5****a. Archaic Permissible or appropriate for a person of free birth; befitting a lady or gentleman.

Yeshua came to make us free, un-enslaved to passions. To be liberal, that is, “freed, unshackled”, is what is means to follow Christ.

 

[rwoehmke]

I didn’t know that people who were non-Catholic and liberal automatically lose their salvation?

Did I say all or many, or most? No, I said a number and yes some apostates will lose their salvation. I was not referring to liberals who were non-Catholic to begin with but to liberal Catholics who jump ship to follow a lifestyle incompatible with being Catholic.

 

[wynd]

Is it dead? In my experience it is dying, but not in the way one would want. In the past, people would try to convince the RCC to change its stance on things they didn’t agree with, such as birth control, women’s ordination, etc., all the while remaining official members. Now, they just leave.

 

[Brendan]

Is it dead? In my experience it is dying, but not in the way one would want. In the past, people would try to convince the RCC to change its stance on things they didn’t agree with, such as birth control, women’s ordination, etc., all the while remaining official members. Now, they just leave.

It isn’t the first time that has happened. It happend in John 6, right after Christ taught about the Eucharist.

“This is a hard teaching” many complained, and they left Him.

Christ let them go too. Is that what He wanted?, No. But He let them go anyway.

 

[Eric_Olsen]

yes. Read “good bye good men” and you will see why.

So, you’re saying that the sex/pedophila scandals are part of “Liberal Catholicism”?

 

[Howard_Roark]

I have a friend who, on this topic, notes that right up until the last days in the bunker, Hitler was convinced that the way to win was to be better and better Nazis. Liberal Catholics appear to be going the same way.

It is true that, as a demographic group, they are getting older. This points to the fact that they tend not to reproduce, neither physically nor philosophically.

Of course a person puts their soul in danger through liberal heresy. Any kind of heresy puts a soul in danger.

Right now, they’re all in the throes of Obama-mania. Makes them easier to spot.

 

[THurifer2]

How can somthing that was never alive be dead?

Liberal Catholicism was a phoney straw filled scarecrow.

Liberals are now just finding out that their tower of babel was never alive in the first place…and it is causing MUCH wailing and Knashing. They are near their end and they are NOT happy.

Poor souls…they wasted so much of the churches resources for their false cause.

 

[THurifer2]

So, you’re saying that the sex/pedophila scandals are part of “Liberal Catholicism”?

Not sure, I will say that liberal Catholics Clearly use the Scandal to push their causes.

VOTF is nothing more than Call to Action members leeching off of the scandal to push their cause.

Similar to Maggots…they feed off rotten meat to stay alive as well.

 

[ethelzguy]

I have a friend who, on this topic, notes that right up until the last days in the bunker, Hitler was convinced that the way to win was to be better and better Nazis. Liberal Catholics appear to be going the same way.

You do realize, of course, that the word “Traditional” could just as easily be used in place of the word “Liberal” in this context.