Is LifeTeen a good idea?

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Does it bother me? A little but all of that asagio bread and coffee will eventually make our youth fat on empty calories. They’ll come look for the TRUTH of a healthy alternative. We shouldn’t change the menu to keep up with the Jones’ down the street. I’ll continue the metaphors and say this about the watered down LifeTeen program. If you have to add chicken to chicken noodle soup, why not spend your money on better soup? Isn’t it a waste to throw money at a program that has to be rewritten each week? Doesn’t that mean its a poor program? I never did the lesson that was put in front on me when it was my lesson to teach. I would take the scripture, read it and stitch a lesson together.

I’ve never said that you have to remove the teen music. My problem is with electric guitars, bass guitars, drum sets, loud over done production etc…
I agree with your observations. Having had the same problem with the Youth Cursillos, which, mercifully, have now gone away, I do believe that we need to offer the kids substance over style.

Trends are something that many of us will eventually leave. It’s like changing your direction and blowing where the wind goes. It’s unstable.

Truth is unchanging. It is stable. It’s kind of funny, in a way. When our kids are in school, we expect them to learn the facts about our history, about biology, and about government. Yet, when it comes to the Faith, we are content with presenting them with the least amount of substance, giving them watered-down insruction.

The example you gave in your initial post about the issues with the LifeTeen manual hit the nail on the proverbial head. From my own personal experienc with the Youth Cursillo, which kind of went along those lines, I can see the mistakes. One night, the kids did a skit on the Mass and their message was 180-degrees to the opposite of the real meaning of the Holy Sacrifice. The word Sacrifice was not used. What the kids stressed was that we had to listen to the homly, but, there was nothing about the fact that we offer the Body, Blood, Soul and Divnity of Jesus Christ to the Father and that we eat His living Flesh and drink His Blood.

After their presentation, we had open mike and I took advantage of the opportunity to gently correct the kids and explain to them what happens during the Mass. After my remarks, I volunteered to give a fuller presentation the next week, which I did. I taught them the terms that I learned when I was much younger (in fact, I learned these in elementary–my audience was mostly teenagers). Then, we also discussed the seasons of the Church and why we do what we do certain times of the year.

Now, concerning the music, that, I am afraid, means a great deal. I take my cue from what Pope Benedict XVI wrote in the Spirit of the Liturgy:
On the one hand, there is pop music, which is certainly no longer supported by the people in the ancient sense (populus). It is aimed at the phenomenon of the masses, is industrially produced, and ultimately has to be described as a cult of the banal. “Rock”, on the other hand, is the expression of elemental passions, and at rock festivals it assumes a cultic character, a form of worship, in fact, in opposition to Christian worship. People are, so to speak, released from themselves by the emotional shock of rhythm, noise, and special lighting effects. However, in the ecstasy of having all their defenses torn down, the participants sink, as it were, beneath the elemental force of the universe. The music of the Holy Spirit’s sober inebriation seems to have little chance when self has become a prison, the mind is a shackle, and breaking out from both appears as a true promise of redemption that can be tasted at least for a few moments.
This is actually the same conclusion that the Fathers of the 2005 Synod on the Eucharist came up with when they listed the music used at Youth Masses as one of the shadows:
In other responses some lamented the poor quality of translations of liturgical texts and many musical texts in current languages, maintaining that they lacked beauty and were sometimes theologically unclear, thereby contributing to a weakening of Church teaching and to a misunderstanding of prayer. A*** few responses made particular mention of music and singing at Youth Masses. In this regard, it is important to avoid musical forms which, because of their profane use, are not conducive to prayer.*** Some responses note a certain eagerness in composing new songs, to the point of almost yielding to a consumer mentality, showing little concern for the quality of the music and text, and easily overlooking the artistic patrimony which has been theologically and musically effective in the Church’s liturgy.
Pope Benedict, remaining consistent with what he wrote as Cardinal Rartzinger, shared the Synod Fathers concerns when he wrote this in Sacramentum Caritatis:
***Certainly as far as the liturgy is concerned, we cannot say that one song is as good as another. Generic improvisation or the introduction of musical genres which fail to respect the meaning of the liturgy should be avoided. ***As an element of the liturgy, song should be well integrated into the overall celebration (128). Consequently everything – texts, music, execution – ought to correspond to the meaning of the mystery being celebrated, the structure of the rite and the liturgical seasons (129).
In other words, the music needs to be consistent and compatible with the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass. What works for Protestant ecclesial communities does not work for us becasue, since all they have is the Word, they need to supplement and augment their services. We have both the Word and Sacrifice, so our focus is entirely different. That is why the music needs to jibe with the Holy Sacrifice, not the other way around.
 
Our daughter has been involved with LifeTeen for the past 3 years. She’s now 18. At that time we had just moved to a new city and parish. She was a happy Catholic kid. When she started attending a Catholic high school she all but lost her faith there. It was a horrible environment for her (lots of rich preppy kids that tormented her for not being the same). We tried to show her the truth of Catholicism but she didn’t want anything to do with it. During this time and prior to LifeTeen we had to drag her to Mass, and then she fought to not stand or kneel. She wouldn’t even make the Sign of the Cross anymore.

Since getting involved with LifeTeen she has started to turn around. During her first summer camp 2 years ago she did something none of us expected; she went to confession then received the Eucharist! Since then, and even now at 18 when she can decline, she still goes to Mass with us. She hasn’t been to Confession in awhile but her love for God gets her to go up and receive a blessing with arms crossed. She is back to being a happy Catholic kid, full of joy and love.

Now, with that said, I agree that the LifeTeen Mass is terrible. It’s a rock show with dancing in the pews, very Protestant songs and heaven forbid if you decline to hold hands during the Our Father! Our daughter does not attend that Mass anymore but more because it’s at 8am Sundays and she doesn’t want to get up that early.

I feel LifeTeen fills a need in a lot of parishes. It meets the teen at their level and attempts to instill in them a love and respect for the Church, the Sacraments, the Blessed Virgin, all people regardless of the station in life and, most importantly, themselves. We’ve seen kids on the brink of suicide turn their lives completely around because of LifeTeen. It’s not a perfect program and could use some reworking to make it more in line with traditional Church practices, but it is a worthy program, IMHO.

God be praised!

Simon
 
Hey! Wait a minute. I’m not condoning a LifeTeen Mass. I don’t even know what that is. But I am condoning getting a specifically Catholic Teen group together like the local WyldLife in our community. They are actively recruiting. We left that church because I caught the youth minister in his late 30’s or early 40’s telling lies about how he was “evangelizing” the youth in our area that did not know Christ. I know for a fact that 95% of those children are already active in their own churches with their parents. The youth minister tries to get the teens over to a bible class under the guise of his son inviting them…thus making it legal. this is happening at the public schools folks. WAKE UP. This has been happening for a very long time and we need to step up for the Catholic faith my doing the same things…without the proselytizing though. There is a reason so many Catholics are falling away from the truth. Shoot I was one of them that eventually fell as an adult later on … a delayed reaction to no Catholics knowing the faith or even caring enough to be consistent about it. Truth is what brought me back as an adult. As a child/youn adult I was very confused and felt guilty for not understanding. Then one of the ecclesial communities that made more sense and really reached out to me convinced me I was wrong and so was the Church and all of it’s man made traditions.

It takes time for the teaching to sink in deep. Priests need to recognize that the laity have a very difficult roll as well…like the Orhtodox…the vocations are different by on equal ground. Priests are not necessarily experts…trust me on this…I’ve ran into many priests that I thought were being hateful by not teaching me when I was trying to understand some dogma. I now believe that they couldn’t explain it themselves and that is why I ended up falling into sin and bolting when I did.

Teen involvement with the parents is a must and it should be made mandatory to receive the sacraments. The Protestants do it. We should too. Not because they do it but because it works. Just don’t change the mass. But rather get the teens to do the readings and responsorial Psalm. Singing and altar serving. I really believe the Church has made a serious error in allow girls on the altar. This will surely hinder vocations to the priesthood and increase the desire for girls and women to want to become priests. Boys need to know that this is the norm and not take second place to girls in leading. It doesn’t matter if a girl can do it better.
 
Sorry folks, didn’t mean to go on a side show. It popped in my head because last week all I saw was 4 altar girls instead of boys out of a parish of 1800 registered families. LifeTeen should be a separate thing, not a new form of mass for teens.
 
There is a reason so many Catholics are falling away from the truth. Shoot I was one of them that eventually fell as an adult later on … a delayed reaction to no Catholics knowing the faith or even caring enough to be consistent about it. Truth is what brought me back as an adult. As a child/youn adult I was very confused and felt guilty for not understanding. Then one of the ecclesial communities that made more sense and really reached out to me convinced me I was wrong and so was the Church and all of it’s man made traditions.
That is why I an convinced that Scriptural Apologetics are so important. Teens jump in with both feet - when they realize that there IS an answer to the claims made by the Baptist kids at school. Can you imagine, Catholic kids who know how to LOOK UP PASSAGES IN THE BIBLE to explain the Catholic Faith to those proselytizing evangelicals!! I have seen it with my own eyes.
 
Sorry folks, didn’t mean to go on a side show. It popped in my head because last week all I saw was 4 altar girls instead of boys out of a parish of 1800 registered families. LifeTeen should be a separate thing, not a new form of mass for teens.
Yes. And, as to your last stament, I agree. We certainly do not need another Neocatechumenal liturgical situation on our hands.

I also agree with your previous post. The Youth Cursillos tried to do that, but, without authoritative guidance, it didn’t succeed. As I painfully experienced having heard the kids’ misguided interpretation of the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass and the sacraments (at a later youth night). And, I don’t blame the kids. It’s those of us, as the adults, who have failed because we may not know enough about the Faith to pass it down to the kids. You can’t impart knowledge unless you know something. You can’t give what you don’t have.

There is a bona fide biblical response for everything that the Church does. We are a truly Bible-based Church, although it’s a shame that Catholics, youth and adults, don’t know it. Everything we do has its roots in Sacred Scripture and Sacred Tradition.

What Protestant ecclesial communities tend to forget is that the Bible came from the Church, not the other way around.
 
That is why I an convinced that Scriptural Apologetics are so important. Teens jump in with both feet - when they realize that there IS an answer to the claims made by the Baptist kids at school. Can you imagine, Catholic kids who know how to LOOK UP PASSAGES IN THE BIBLE to explain the Catholic Faith to those proselytizing evangelicals!! I have seen it with my own eyes.
This is what I’m trying to teach my own children, by reading them a bible story every night and talking apologetics, history, Tradition, etc. Even though I left for many years, I gained valuable insight in looking up scripture quite fast and now that I have a deeper understanding I say to those priests that tried to tell me I couldn’t possibly learn…someone taught you something wrong. That is probably why many of them are laicized now. I pray for all priests, both active and fallen away. It’s part of my penance now. Rather than become bitter over it I’ve embraced the reality that they may have been poorly catechized also.

I hope that everyone that reads this post takes it form someone with a mixed background coming from my mother, non-denom, and my father, traditional Catholic, that it is imperative that we teach our children better by not only teaching them and sending them to Catholic schools and CCD but also to join our own adult formation classes and show them our active joy and participation in these programs made available to us. We need bibile study too on top of CCD…if you don’t have CCD join an RCIA class for the review. Make it a date with your spouse like my wife and I did.

We’re looking forward to the next step towards, hopefully, my ordination as a permanent deacon. St. Francis was a deacon. So was Stephen, the first Christian/Catholic Martyr after the resurrection of Christ. I never knew that until about 2 years ago when I felt the tugging all over again and my irresistable urge to return to discerning a vocation to the priesthood but realizing that I am Catholic and must return to my Catholic faith in spite of all the massive confusion. Let’s all pray for the children and pray for the Church.

If you don’t have a prayer corner, make one. Burn candles and put up your sacramentals for the entire family and guests to see when they visit. Not for show but for use. One of our Methodist friends visited our home and said “this is just overdoing it.” I think we embraced Catholicism and our home resembles a monistary now with all kinds of wonderful sacramentals and art all over the house. That’s what children need to see…excitement backed with historical knowledge in todays information age.

Go by your entire family the Liturgy of the Hours [or Christian Prayer] or use the websites available on the internet. Universalis is good. Teach them the Prayer of the Church. If you don’t know, learn the history behind the Rosary and it’s connection to the LOTH and the Jewish traditions. Teach them with confidence the truth about our Catholic faith. But do it in an inteligent way. Beable to explain the Immaculate Conception and the New
Eve theology to the best of your ability but most of all carry Lucas Pollice’s new book in your home and give one to everyone in your Catholic family of friends and relatives. Give it to those that ask “why do Catholics do that”. Lucas was our RCIA instructor and is very faithful to the teachings of the Church. He should be hitting the shelves soon if not already.

We live in a different age [culture] and chances are that those reading this forum are educated, even approaching that of our dear clergy This I believe is the key to bringing the fullness of faith to the world and restoring many discerning vocations to the priesthood and religious life. Far too long have we rid on the shirt tails of the clergy letting them do all the thinking and teaching for us. Parents are the primary catechists for children. If you are clergy, join a lay religious order with conviction. Opus Dei, Secular Franciscans - SFO, Bennedictines - OSB, etc. We are very lucky to have very good T.O.R.s pastoring us. They are very inspirational living very devout spiritual lives. Frequent confession. Make a confession with the entire family. Don’t ask “do you need to go to confession?”…just bring them and let them. It won’t hurt to confess venial sins if that’s all that is present at the time.

Just thinking out loud.

[Edited to say]
I don’t mean to sound like a loud mouth know it all. I just have these thoughts and like to get them out so I don’t feel like I’m gonna explode. Obviously take my comments with a grain of salt. As if you weren’t. Just don’t want to get flack for thinking out loud.
 
Don’t you understand? What good is meat and potatoes if the kids don’t eat it, or if they won’t even come to the table to look at it?

While you’re offering meat and potatoes to a few Catholic teenagers, the Protestant megachurches are offering coffee house and asiago bread to thousands of teenagers down the street from you.

Doesn’t that bother you?

I asked this question once before and I ended up asking the moderators to delete the thread because people got too hostile. What is more important–the “traditions” (small t) of the Church, or saving the souls of thousands of teenagers?

Would you truly sacrifice the souls of teenagers because you are unwilling to include “teenaged” hymns in the Mass?

And let’s not have this stuff about “teens don’t really like Life Teen hymns.” Oh, yes, they do. Some don’t, but the hundreds of kids that attend our Life Teen Mass like the hymns.

To those who say that Life Teen is too watered down–well, get busy and BEEF IT UP! You don’t have to read the teaching straight out of the book, do you?! Think. The book is meant to be a guideline, not a dogma. Add to it, do a different activity, bring out different points, ask harder questions–be a TEACHER. Do what is necessary to reach the teenagers in YOUR part of the world.
See, that’s the thing. Even if you give the youth Mass a pass, I think it’s important to have some kind of ‘Praise & Worship’, although I also realize that in reality, praise and worship are two different things. I’m sure I need not point to Psalm 150 or the other passages in Scripture saying we should praise God with music and dancing. But it’s also necessary to make people aware that there is a time and place for both praise and worship. The protestants group it together, which I think is wrong.

And yes, teens certainly do like contemporary Christian music. It comes in country, rock, rap and even metal varieties, although admittedly, most of it is very protestant, sola fide in feel. But hey, it’s alot better than songs about ‘poppin caps’ and having sex. Heck, I love Christian rock and punk and listen to it all the time.

It’s interesting that you would say that about the protestant churches stealing teens- when I was involved in Oneighty, many of the youth who attended were members of the two Catholic parishes here. Should they be allowed to go to a protestant church and be fed Word Faith heresies, or should they at least be offered the same experience, but with Catholic teachings? Granted, many who go to those sorts of services do just go to be entertained and have fun, but kids need that, and they are going to find it. Better that they find it at Church and get some good solid Catholic teachings than find it elsewhere, right?

Keep in mind I’m not talking about incorporating it into the Mass, just giving them something to do on a weeknight or two.
 
Yes. And, as to your last stament, I agree. We certainly do not need another Neocatechumenal liturgical situation on our hands.

I also agree with your previous post. The Youth Cursillos tried to do that, but, without authoritative guidance, it didn’t succeed. As I painfully experienced having heard the kids’ misguided interpretation of the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass and the sacraments (at a later youth night). And, I don’t blame the kids. It’s those of us, as the adults, who have failed because we may not know enough about the Faith to pass it down to the kids. You can’t impart knowledge unless you know something. You can’t give what you don’t have.

There is a bona fide biblical response for everything that the Church does. We are a truly Bible-based Church, although it’s a shame that Catholics, youth and adults, don’t know it. Everything we do has its roots in Sacred Scripture and Sacred Tradition.

What Protestant ecclesial communities tend to forget is that the Bible came from the Church, not the other way around.
I agree with everyone who laments the fact that many Catholics these days have no idea what the Church teaches or is all about. I was talking to a cradle Catholic about protestants once, and he said, “I like being Catholic. Don’t get me wrong, I have nothing against Christians, but I prefer to be Catholic.” I had to remind him that he was, in fact, Christian!
 
This is what I’m trying to teach my own children, by reading them a bible story every night and talking apologetics, history, Tradition, etc. Even though I left for many years, I gained valuable insight in looking up scripture quite fast and now that I have a deeper understanding I say to those priests that tried to tell me I couldn’t possibly learn…someone taught you something wrong. That is probably why many of them are laicized now. I pray for all priests, both active and fallen away. It’s part of my penance now. Rather than become bitter over it I’ve embraced the reality that they may have been poorly catechized also.

I hope that everyone that reads this post takes it form someone with a mixed background coming from my mother, non-denom, and my father, traditional Catholic, that it is imperative that we teach our children better by not only teaching them and sending them to Catholic schools and CCD but also to join our own adult formation classes and show them our active joy and participation in these programs made available to us. We need bibile study too on top of CCD…if you don’t have CCD join an RCIA class for the review. Make it a date with your spouse like my wife and I did.

We’re looking forward to the next step towards, hopefully, my ordination as a permanent deacon. St. Francis was a deacon. So was Stephen, the first Christian/Catholic Martyr after the resurrection of Christ. I never knew that until about 2 years ago when I felt the tugging all over again and my irresistable urge to return to discerning a vocation to the priesthood but realizing that I am Catholic and must return to my Catholic faith in spite of all the massive confusion. Let’s all pray for the children and pray for the Church.

If you don’t have a prayer corner, make one. Burn candles and put up your sacramentals for the entire family and guests to see when they visit. Not for show but for use. One of our Methodist friends visited our home and said “this is just overdoing it.” I think we embraced Catholicism and our home resembles a monistary now with all kinds of wonderful sacramentals and art all over the house. That’s what children need to see…excitement backed with historical knowledge in todays information age.

Go by your entire family the Liturgy of the Hours [or Christian Prayer] or use the websites available on the internet. Universalis is good. Teach them the Prayer of the Church. If you don’t know, learn the history behind the Rosary and it’s connection to the LOTH and the Jewish traditions. Teach them with confidence the truth about our Catholic faith. But do it in an inteligent way. Beable to explain the Immaculate Conception and the New
Eve theology to the best of your ability but most of all carry Lucas Pollice’s new book in your home and give one to everyone in your Catholic family of friends and relatives. Give it to those that ask “why do Catholics do that”. Lucas was our RCIA instructor and is very faithful to the teachings of the Church. He should be hitting the shelves soon if not already.

We live in a different age [culture] and chances are that those reading this forum are educated, even approaching that of our dear clergy This I believe is the key to bringing the fullness of faith to the world and restoring many discerning vocations to the priesthood and religious life. Far too long have we rid on the shirt tails of the clergy letting them do all the thinking and teaching for us. Parents are the primary catechists for children. If you are clergy, join a lay religious order with conviction. Opus Dei, Secular Franciscans - SFO, Bennedictines - OSB, etc. We are very lucky to have very good T.O.R.s pastoring us. They are very inspirational living very devout spiritual lives. Frequent confession. Make a confession with the entire family. Don’t ask “do you need to go to confession?”…just bring them and let them. It won’t hurt to confess venial sins if that’s all that is present at the time.

Just thinking out loud.

[Edited to say]
I don’t mean to sound like a loud mouth know it all. I just have these thoughts and like to get them out so I don’t feel like I’m gonna explode. Obviously take my comments with a grain of salt. As if you weren’t. Just don’t want to get flack for thinking out loud.
Having grown up in a protestant church, I realize how very important it is to teach children Scripture, not only to enrich them and strengthen their faith, but also to be able to explain and defend it when speaking to their protestant friends. The only possible way to explain the Catholic faith to protestants is by using the Bible. They simply will not believe anything about Christianity that you can’t show them in the Bible.
 
Having grown up in a protestant church, I realize how very important it is to teach children Scripture, not only to enrich them and strengthen their faith, but also to be able to explain and defend it when speaking to their protestant friends. The only possible way to explain the Catholic faith to protestants is by using the Bible. They simply will not believe anything about Christianity that you can’t show them in the Bible.
SO so true. I know exactly what you’re saying. Tonight I sent of to a previous church we attended asking them to return my Liturgy of the Hours, Daily and sunday Missals and personal NAB bible I’ve had since my youth. The book was falling apart I used it so much. But I’d like to have it repared and place it back on my shelf. Try explaining to a group of fundamentlists that you would like to get back something they hate and not tell them you’re Catholic now. I believe they may suspect. Last year I sent word that Bruce Sullivan would be on EWTN and encouraged them to watch it… I slipped that in without telling them I converted back to the Catholic faith. Sneaky. Learned a few tricks while being Protestant. One of the preachers sent me a bunch of proselytizing magazines and a CD …background a funeral…singing final songs at a funeral. Scare tactics are their method of converting folks. I have blood on my hands and do penance for it. I lament over my error, but thank God for helping me find my way back home. The bible started me in the right direction, then I thought I knew better, then I realized what the Church was saying as I matured and studied even more, eventually running into several theological problems for another thread.
 
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