Is Lord of the Rings a Catholic work?

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From what I understand Professor J.R.R. Tolkein was a devout Catholic and reviewers have mentioned that the Hobbit and Trilogy was marked by Catholic imagery.

Also Professor Tolkein included a lot of his frontline WWI combat experiences into his works, where he saw many of his childhood friends killed and experienced the horrors of trench warfare first hand.

Professor Tolkein also mentioned that he wrote those stories as a pass-time and did not put too much effort into them. The Hobbit was written to please his daughter.

Tolkein has been given credit to the invention of two more fairytale creatures, the orcs and hobbits, outside the usual elves, goblins, ogres, trolls, dwarves, wizards, dragons, and fairies.
 
J.R.R. Tolkien was Roman Catholic, and I believe C.S. Lewis was too (his works, such as “Mere Christianity” and “The Screwtape Letters” further amplify this). They did belong to ‘The Inklings’ and consulted on each others’ work (I think). However, do you mean “a Catholic work” as in the author was Catholic? Or the storyline? Please explain- thanks!
 
yes, tolkien was a Catholic. i’m just not sure if c.s. lewis converted, though. but he used to be an athiest, and one of the works that helped him to become a Christian was “the everlasting man” by g.k. chesterton, who was Catholic.
 
Lewis was an Anglican. He was one of Tolkien’s good friends and, as a previous poster said, a fellow member of the Inklings, an intellectual group at Oxford.
 
Bobby Jim:
actually it does, because others pointed out that tolkien’s works are not allegories… I had mentioned this specifically in comparison to CS Lewis. Someone else then said CS Lewis didn’t write allegories either. So I felt like commenting on that, indicating that at least in one case, he did.
Yes, Lewis wrote allegorical. I think this is the reason Tolkien didn’t like the “Chronicles of Narnia.”

Tolkien said the main character of the “Lord of the Rings” is God. It is found in one of his books on Fairies.
 
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Catholicvegan:
J.R.R. Tolkien was Roman Catholic, and I believe C.S. Lewis was too (his works, such as “Mere Christianity” and “The Screwtape Letters” further amplify this). They did belong to ‘The Inklings’ and consulted on each others’ work (I think). However, do you mean “a Catholic work” as in the author was Catholic? Or the storyline? Please explain- thanks!
Tolkien wrote myths. Myths are works of fiction that proclaim truths. And in this case of the “Lord of the Rings” this truth is Catholic.
 
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Catholicvegan:
However, do you mean “a Catholic work” as in the author was Catholic? Or the storyline? Please explain- thanks!
That’s what I want to know? :hmmm:
 
There is Catholicism in the LOTR series. I read a book describing all the deeper meanings to Tolkien’s books. (I forgot the title) It was interesting and I was surprised how deep the stories really are. I can give a couple of brief examples:

The Ring represents sin and all of its temptations, only Frodo could destroy the ring, and in a way he represented Christ. Once Frodo saved Middle Earth he couldn’t find rest there, so he went into the West. Just as Christ had to go to heaven after saving the world.

Galadriel, at one point, represented Mary. She was given the chance to use the Ring, but she denied it and remained humble, just as Mary remained humble throughout her life.

The culture of the Elves represent the types of people who are scientific, and artistic (or something like that). And they don’t like change, so they do what ever they can to preserve the past. That’s why in the book the culture of the elves kept separate/isolated from the men.

There is much more to the book. If I remember the title I’ll post it up.
 
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crusader4life:
There is Catholicism in the LOTR series. I read a book describing all the deeper meanings to Tolkien’s books. (I forgot the title) It was interesting and I was surprised how deep the stories really are. I can give a couple of brief examples:

The Ring represents sin and all of its temptations, only Frodo could destroy the ring, and in a way he represented Christ. Once Frodo saved Middle Earth he couldn’t find rest there, so he went into the West. Just as Christ had to go to heaven after saving the world.

Galadriel, at one point, represented Mary. She was given the chance to use the Ring, but she denied it and remained humble, just as Mary remained humble throughout her life.

The culture of the Elves represent the types of people who are scientific, and artistic (or something like that). And they don’t like change, so they do what ever they can to preserve the past. That’s why in the book the culture of the elves kept separate/isolated from the men.

There is much more to the book. If I remember the title I’ll post it up.
Tolkien himself would tend to downplay such interpretations where there is a one-to-one correspondence between things in the book, and things in real life. First and foremost, Frodo is Frodo, the Ring is the Ring, Galadriel is Galadriel, the Elves are the Elves, and the story is the story. But perhaps we can see things in the story, or in individual characters, that remind us some transcendent Truth - that is, something that is true in the story just as it is true in our own world. Perhaps we can see an analogy between the sufferings of Frodo carrying the ring to Mordor, and the suffering of Christ carrying the cross to Calvary. Just as we can think of our own sufferings in analogy to Christ’s sufferings. If someone reads the story of our own lives, and our own sufferings, they wouldn’t automatically say that we represent Christ. But in all stories, real or fictional, of suffering borne with strength and fortitude, there is a certain similarity to the suffering of Christ.

If you actually try to look at LOTR (and most other stories) as a bunch of things, each of which represents something else, you will end up with a big jumble. I happen to think that Frodo, Aragorn, and Gandalf all share in having some Christ-like qualities. But we can’t read any one of them, or their stories, or their struggles, as telling the story of Christ.

There’s lots more to be said here… besides similarities between characters or events and “real things”, there are thematic elements as well that give the book a Catholic character. A big one (I think) is the sense that we are sometimes called upon and bound by duty to do things we would rather not do. There are a lot of things in the world that are beyond your control, but what matters is that, in whatever situation you find yourself, you do the right thing, you do the best you can with the hand you’re dealt, and you don’t give up. If you die trying, at least you did what you could. Another important one I think is summarized by Sam somewhere near the end of the second book, where he looks up at the night sky, obscured by dark clouds, and realizes that somewhere, far above all of this evil and darkness, the stars are still shining, and will continue to shine, even if the forces of evil win this particular battle. I read in that something more than just “good will triumph over evil”, but rather that “good is so much greater than evil, that evil can’t possibly even touch it”. Light can banish darkness, but darkness can not overcome the Light. Down here on earth, bad things may happen due to Satan’s influence, but God is totally in control. It’s not like some Zoroastrian battle between forces of good and evil that are almost evenly matched, where good just somehow manages to win in the end. In other words, it’s a very Catholic worldview. Anyway, I think there’s more than that, and these thematic elements are potentially a lot more interesting that just trying to say which characters represent what.
 
once again, its only a catholic work in the fact that it was written by a catholic. besides that it really has nothing to do with catholicism. if you want to start saying how frodo is christ and saurons the devil it just starts to get really stupid. you can do that with almost any book. tolkien said it wasnt supposed to be at all allegorical. if you read the rest of the books related to the lotr (silmarillion, lost tales, etc.) a lot of the connections people make between characters dont really make sense anyways. in some senses there are some similarities but nothing really striking. its true it starts out with one god, but he makes other “spirits” that help create the earth and basically become gods of different elements. it more reminded me of greek mythology (a god for water, god for forest, etc.) i think its pointless trying to make the lotr seem catholic. its just a fantasy story. enjoy it since its probably the best of its kind. its pointless to try and make all these connections to religions or religious figures.
 
tee_eff_em said:
Is Lord of the Rings a Catholic work?

I hope not – I would hate to be so bored by anything Catholic… :yawn: :sleep:

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post-and-run,
tee

That’s wonderful, a one line disposal of a work that took over 18 years to create. Let’s see you do better.
 
Lord of the Rings has Catholicism written all over it, in BIG LETTERS! There is so much symbolism, Gandalf dies and resurects for heavens sake! Look deeper then the story and look at the events people and themes of the Books, and you will find it!
 
Tyler Smedley:
Lord of the Rings has Catholicism written all over it, in BIG LETTERS! There is so much symbolism, Gandalf dies and resurects for heavens sake! Look deeper then the story and look at the events people and themes of the Books, and you will find it!
k, so if gandalfs jesus who are the other wizards supposed to be? christs who gave up? if you actually look at the whole story these little comparisons dont make sense. and anyways, who cares
 
I’d love to go deeper into the Catholic elements of LOTR, especially with it culminating with Frodo carrying the burden of the ring (sin) up Mount Doom (Golgotha) where it is finally destroyed, and tempted sinners like Gollum, and Sauron (the devil) and the whole army of darkness is defeated. Frodo then remains with his friends for awhile and then leaves them (The Ascension) leaving Sam to finish writing the story (the Gospels). It’s not exact, but anyway there must be a whole bunch of other elements in the entire LOTR mythology that correlate to the Old Testament and the Gospels. Would be interesting to find out all about it. 😃
 
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Mycroft:
k, so if gandalfs jesus who are the other wizards supposed to be? christs who gave up? if you actually look at the whole story these little comparisons dont make sense. and anyways, who cares
Apparently, you do, since you keep posting about the alleged stupidity of opinions differing from your own.

– Mark L. Chance.
 
Jimmy B:
You are kidding, right? Seems like witchcraft to me. I don’t think it is a”Catholic work” at all!
What?

Aragon is clearly the Christ figure; descendant for a line of kings, born poor an obscure in a isolate country, fulfilling prophecies, fighting temptation, uniting the peoples of earth to fight evil, passing through the land of the dead (in three days), fighting the final battle, healing the sick, and coming agian as the King?

Is has Christian symbolism written all over it.
and not very subtly either

The ring is a metaphor for original sin (I think) and the burden to carry it and striving to over come it.

And if that doesn’t convince you then read the opening stories in The Silmarillion with Tolkien’s spin on the creation stories

The old joke is that The Silmarillion is what the Bible could have been if it had better editors 😉
 
no no no guys. obviously gandalf is jesus. and frodo. and aragorn. and eru. and all the other spirits who create things. sam can be jesus too since he had the ring for a while. bilbo had the ring before, he might as well be jesus too.
 
No Sam is the Everyman character.

Gandalf is the Holy Spirit sent in the darkest times to help and comfort us and bring us knowledge and wisdom

Frodo is just a whiney little…… 😛
 
Steve Andersen:
What?

Aragon is clearly the Christ figure; descendant for a line of kings, born poor an obscure in a isolate country, fulfilling prophecies, fighting temptation, uniting the peoples of earth to fight evil, passing through the land of the dead (in three days), fighting the final battle, healing the sick, and coming agian as the King?

Is has Christian symbolism written all over it.
and not very subtly either

The ring is a metaphor for original sin (I think) and the burden to carry it and striving to over come it.

And if that doesn’t convince you then read the opening stories in The Silmarillion with Tolkien’s spin on the creation stories

The old joke is that The Silmarillion is what the Bible could have been if it had better editors 😉
The imagery is Catholic, but the characters aren’t necessarily figures from Catholicism. Prof. Tolkein also borrowed heavily from Norse myths and sagas, plus he obviously included a lot of his own experiences with the battlefields and trenchwarfare of WWI.

I recognized a lot of WWI battlefield scenarios and behaviors, such as the bog with all the dead staring up at the trio, and the acts of grief outside the mines of Moria when Gandalf fell into the chasm. These were obviously drawn from J.R.R. Tolkeins own experiences with dead soldiers and battlefields from his Army days.

So the Lord of the Rings was not 100% based on Catholicism.
 
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