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Holly3278
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I do believe that Mary is the co-redemptrix. 
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Justy90
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Itâs not helpful and certainly borders on heresy to call Mary the woman with the redeemer. The Scriptures plainly declare Jesus as the one and only way to Salvation. There is nothing about this to suggest it to be plural in any way. Mary the Mother of Christ and the foremost of all the saints, absolutely yes, but certainly not in the same conversation with the ONE who saves in action.
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sweetchuck
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Amen!I do believe that Mary is the co-redemptrix.
Co - prefix meaning âwithâ
redemp - root of âredemption,â or buying back
-trix - âone who,â a feminine Latin suffix
When they found you with the Fathers calling her Mother of God, Second Eve, and Mother of all Living, the Mother of Life, the Morning Star, the Mystical New Heaven, the Sceptre of Orthodoxy, the All-undefiled Mother of Holiness, and the like, they would have deemed it a poor compensation for such language, that you protested against her being called a Co-redemptrix.
Bl. John Henry Newman
Letter to the Anglican clergyman Pusey
Letter to the Anglican clergyman Pusey
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sweetchuck
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âThe Virgin on Calvary participates in the saving power of the suffering of Christ, joining her âfiat,â her âyes,â to that of her Son.â
Pope Benedict XVI, Angelus, Sept. 17, 2006
âMary is totally integrated in the redemption work of Christâ and her âyesâ at the Annunciation âredeemed her under the Cross.â
Pope Benedict XVI, Address to German Pilgrims (originally in German), March 29, 2009
âŚWhen you obediently said âyesâ in the house of Nazareth,you allowed Godâs eternal Son to take flesh in your virginal womb
and thus to begin in history the work of our redemption.
You willingly and generously cooperated in that work,
allowing the sword of pain to pierce your soul,
until the supreme hour of the Cross, when you kept watch on Calvary,
standing beside your Son, who died that we might liveâŚ
Pope Benedict XVI, Prayer to Our Lady of Sheshan
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2nd_Adam
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If Catholic Christians want to make Mary their queen, thatâs your Christian liberty to do so.
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2nd_Adam
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The Alliance of Confession Evangelicals is based on the gospel of Godâs grace. What is more central than that? If you think Lutherans are closer to the Catholic Faith than the Alliance of Confession Evangelicals, then you need to look closer to what you consider to be essential to the gospel of Godâs grace. What divides historic Protestants from Catholics is the doctrine of justification by faith alone. It is the chief article which Luther stated that the church stands or falls. The 5 solas of the Protestant Reformation are the essentials that unite us. Please let me know what you think about the Cambridge Declaraiton which was a response to ECT 1 and ECT II agreements (Evangelical and Catholics Together).
reformed.org/documents/index.html?mainframe=http://www.reformed.org/documents/cambridge.html
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2nd_Adam
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I agree with you.
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Doxiemom
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I have no problem with a person choosing to confess his sins to a priest and a priest saying, under the authority of his office and through Jesus Christ, that the sins is forgiven. It is the penance part which I cannot justify scripturally. repentance must come before or during the confession of sin that you do, either with a priest, at an altar call, or privately one on one with God. But after the fact, is artificial. And besides, why is prayer or a good deed to be considered a work of punishment?
I think it is possible for anyone in heaven to do intercessory prayer on your behalf. Intercessory prayer need not be confined to the living for the living, for being on the other side of this life is being more alive than ever. Having said that, it is far more rewarding to me personally, and i wish all would do this, to go right to the Throne of God and weep or express joy. I can do this as a child of God and co-heir to the kingdom.
Purgatory is just the way catholic teaching has formed about the Judgement Seat of Christ. Benedict describes it as a state of being, rather than a place. He says it is being under the gaze of Christ, no where to hide and all exposed. I can accept that. I do not know if Scripture says where this Judgement Seat is, but i assume it is a part of heaven, for that is where Jesus is until He returns. each of us are responsible for how our lives affected others, so one cannot be prayed out of being under His gaze. There is no get out of jail free card for this Judgement. For it is appointed unto man once to die and then the judgement. I am therfore more in line with Benedictâs imagery of (purgatory) the Judgement than the traditional fire and pain and punishment- a mini hell.
As far as mary, it is my understanding that the Jews are to be the Bride of God, the Father, just as we gentiles are the Bride of Christ. If God so chooses to give a special status, so be it, but as for now, it is not Written.
I find it so interesting that many catholics spurn the idea of a future âraptureâ yet that is exactly what they say about mary and the assumption. Elijah and Enoch were taken up. the bodies of the rightous were risen by God after Jesus rose and were seen walking about jerusalem. So i suppose it could have happened. But it is not Written.
I think that God could have had Mary immaculately conceived because His Son needed to be nutured in utero by sin free flesh.
All my questions and doubts about these things I am gonna ask God for the answers.
Thank you for asking me about my thoughts and i know already that i am not your usual catholic.
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Justy90
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And all of this very confusing information supports the Scriptures how?
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Alindawyl
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We couldnât make Mary the Queen of Heaven even if we wanted to. Jesus did that when he chose her to be his mother. All we do is acknowledge that because Jesus is king then his mother is queen. Queen because of HIM, not her.
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sweetchuck
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If God didnât want Mary to participate in the plan, why did he send an angel to ask her first?
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ccolley2
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The ChurchâŚmeaning the faithful have always given Mary different titles of honor. Just like we call a judge - Your HonorâŚor a King - Your highnessâŚit is a sign of respect. None of Maryâs titles detract from the glory that is due to God alone.
BTWâŚWhat the is a âMother/child cultâ??
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ccolley2
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Dear, you really need to get a Catechism. You are on the right path for some of your ideas, but some of your ideas are a bit âoff the beaten pathâ. The Catechism will provide the answers that you have about what Catholics really believe. I will pray for you.
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2nd_Adam
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I would respectfully disagree with you that Mary is the Queen of Heaven. Mary is just a vessel of mercy and part of the body of Christ like the rest of us. She is part of the bride of Christ. Protestants in general are not real interested in the Queen since we know the King of Kings. I know Muslims have a similar view with Catholics. But, that might not be a good thing considering that they are not Christians.
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Doxiemom
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The Mother/child cult began with the Tower of babel and has been around ever since. It is about a virgin mother who has a boy child who becomes a savior to the world. She is worshiped because she is the mother of this savior. rome had such a cult. Pagan religion is full of goddesses and reverence to mother earth.
I AM NOT SAYING THAT what Scripture says about Mary and Jesus is in any way pagan. I believe what Scripture says. I even believe that mary was ever-virgin. That goes back to the fact , IMHO, that she, as a jew, being a most important jew of course, is part of being the Bride of God The Father.
But this mother/child cult explains the very reason why mary was named Queen of heaven ( a pagan title) and why she was so easily elevated as the pagan culture was absorbed into christianity.
Thank you for your prayers. I have a bible, thank you very much though.
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I AM NOT SAYING THAT what Scripture says about Mary and Jesus is in any way pagan. I believe what Scripture says. I even believe that mary was ever-virgin. That goes back to the fact , IMHO, that she, as a jew, being a most important jew of course, is part of being the Bride of God The Father.
But this mother/child cult explains the very reason why mary was named Queen of heaven ( a pagan title) and why she was so easily elevated as the pagan culture was absorbed into christianity.
Thank you for your prayers. I have a bible, thank you very much though.
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ccolley2
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You do not believe in Apostolic Succession? or Apostolic Tradition? Because the last I looked the Orthodox have the same Apostolic TraditionâŚam I right?? Apostolic succession has to do with who is the Pope. Apostolic Tradition has to do with what Paul says in 2 Thess
"hold fast to the traditions that we passed down to you whether by word or by letter.
And the Protestants have over 30,000 doctrines than donât agree with each otherâŚhere we goâŚ
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ccolley2
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:thumbsup:Great answer!
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ccolley2
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I am not at all familiar with the Mother/child cult thing, but since you only want to use the Bible then let us turn to Revelation 12:1-6. âAnd a great sign appeared in heaven, a woman clothed with the Sun with the moon under her feet and on her head a crown of twelve starsââŚWait! Now let me seeâŚthere is a womanâŚshe is in heavenâŚand she has a crown on her headâŚhmmmm, I donât think thatâs the maid! She sounds like a Queen IN heavenâŚoh yes, the Queen OF heavenâŚ
BTW, Pagans call their gods, God. So does that mean that when we refer to God we are actually referring to the Paganâs God??? Of course not~
So it IS possible that when Catholics call Mary the Queen of HeavenâŚthey might mean the woman in Revelation??? And the Mother/child cult has nothing to do with it.
Where is the Mother/child pagan cult mentioned in the Bible?? Where is your evidence for this âcultâ.
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dzheremi
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I donât think I am a schismatic (though maybe Archbishop Zoghby was right that we are all schismatics), but I just canât get behind this. After reading a great deal of Catholic apologetics on this honorific I can understand how it can be argued for based on a very specific reading of certain writings of Christian antiquity, but I donât understand why it MUST therefore be argued, and I certainly canât understand why it should ever be declared as dogma. What I was told in RCIA is that the Church never defines new dogma in the absence of some sort of heresy or dissention from what has been historically believed by the orthodox faithful and taught as part of Sacred Tradition. Given the fact that the situation with regard to this topic is one in which a great number of the churches in the Orthodox (both Eastern and Oriental) and Catholic churches cannot recognize the historical continuity of this teaching in their own histories, it seems like this is something that is purely isolated within the Roman Church, and only certain factions within it, at that.
As a Catholic who is sick of there being one law for the Latins and another for everyone else, I canât support this. Should I wake up tomorrow to an announcement that it is now incumbent upon me that I assent to this âco-redemptrixâ business as it has been determined to have been eternally true and binding upon all of the faithful, what then of the many days before that when I wrote posts like this one? Is there anything that can be done for people like myself who, God help us, cannot follow the evolution of thinking that makes what was once a private belief or practice into a potentially soul-risking test of oneâs fidelity to a doctrine that didnât seem all that necessary before its elevation to the level of dogma?
This whole subject is so depressing. I love Mary so muchâŚpray the Hail Mary everyday, asking for her intercession, which I know is powerful and worksâŚI donât know why this isnât enough for some in the Church. Sheâs the MOTHER OF GOD, after all. What greater title is there? What have we not recognized in her by leaving off âco-redemptrixâ? I donât understand.
As a Catholic who is sick of there being one law for the Latins and another for everyone else, I canât support this. Should I wake up tomorrow to an announcement that it is now incumbent upon me that I assent to this âco-redemptrixâ business as it has been determined to have been eternally true and binding upon all of the faithful, what then of the many days before that when I wrote posts like this one? Is there anything that can be done for people like myself who, God help us, cannot follow the evolution of thinking that makes what was once a private belief or practice into a potentially soul-risking test of oneâs fidelity to a doctrine that didnât seem all that necessary before its elevation to the level of dogma?
This whole subject is so depressing. I love Mary so muchâŚpray the Hail Mary everyday, asking for her intercession, which I know is powerful and worksâŚI donât know why this isnât enough for some in the Church. Sheâs the MOTHER OF GOD, after all. What greater title is there? What have we not recognized in her by leaving off âco-redemptrixâ? I donât understand.
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Alindawyl
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When you disagree with the title Queen of Heaven, are you disagreeing with âmother of the King of Heavenâ, or are you disagreeing with âco-ruler of Heavenâ? I would respectfully point out that you are implying the title Queen of Heaven means the latter despite the fact that the Church is quite clear it means the former.
If anyone calls Mary the Queen of Heaven and means she is co-ruler with Jesus or something along those lines, then the Church objecets to that at least as much as you do if not moreso. Thatâs a horrible distortion of true teaching.
As you are not a Catholic, you are free to disagree with anything the Church teaches. But please disagree with what the Church actually teaches. Otherwise all you are doing is creating a straw man fallacy and then disagreeing with that fallacy.
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