Is Mary the mother of all?

[Mary888]

Is “confession” (auricular) that which God wants? How do you know this? That would answer how you would know if the ‘help’ sent was heavenly or not, yes?

Why would the Enemy send help for me to receive forgiveness of our sins instead of getting what he wants from us - punish me instead?
And the world say, the human subconsciousness if you will, is the least interested in my confession unless I am a politician that can be blackmailed to do things to keep it secret (and I am that lol). People do not care about confession because they would much prefer I would confess to the world.
Only God would be interested in my confession even if He already knows what I did, but wanted ME to say it as if it was wrong, to see that I understand that it was wrong.
It was Heaven.

 

[SetInMotion]

Why would the Enemy send help for me to receive forgiveness of our sins instead of getting what he wants from us - punish me instead?

How did you receive “forgiveness”, and in what manner, and how do you know this is the manner in which God approves?

 

[Mary888]

I cannot reply to you anymore because the System say we manipulated the conversation.
I am not certain of course, but life is worth living with taking a chance right? Why not take the chance in believing that I pleased God for once?

 

[TheBomb.Com]

You can’t separate Christ’s human and divine natures. Christ the man WAS God and God WAS Christ. God became incarnate in Christ, and took on a human nature.

 

[SetInMotion]

You can’t separate Christ’s human and divine natures. Christ the man WAS God and God WAS Christ. God became incarnate in Christ, and took on a human nature.

That is apples to oranges and already addressed (read more carefully). We are speaking about the words “Lord” (kuriou/domini) and “God” (theou/deus).

Notice the scripture delineation:

Joh_20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

Psa_35:23 Stir up thyself, and awake to my judgment, even unto my cause, my God and my Lord.

Differing words. The context of Luke 1:43 is Elizabeth speaking about the Messiah and King to the Throne of David on earth. Her “Lord”, just as Thomas did, and delineated the “Lord” aspect from “God”.

 

[TheBomb.Com]

So, you’re saying there’s a difference between God and Jesus? Or that they’re speaking to or of both natures? I’m not sure I understand the distinctions.

 

[SetInMotion]

Why not take the chance in believing that I pleased God for once?

I must follow scripture (Isaiah 8:20). It tells me that which pleases God. (Not sure what you referred to as manipulating the system. Did you receive a notice?)

 

[Mary888]

I must follow scripture (Isaiah 8:20). It tells me that which pleases God. (Not sure what you referred to as manipulating the system. Did you receive a notice?)

Why do you hide your Protestantism on your public profile? Are you ashamed of your own faith that you unskillfully attempt to insinuate into other people?
You are in my prayers! May God illumine you.
You cannot mention Isaiah magically and expect the world to confound you with him. So sad that Prophet Isaiah is one of the four great prophets of the Old Testament, celebrated as a Saint and part of the Church while you aim so hard not to be part of Church even if you respect this great prophet!

 

[SetInMotion]

So, you’re saying there’s a difference between God and Jesus? Or that they’re speaking to or of both natures? I’m not sure I understand the distinctions.

What is the difference between these two thrones:

Rev 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

 

[TheBomb.Com]

Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t Christ also set in the Father’s throne? Wouldn’t this just mean “Just as I am in the Father, you will be in me”?

 

[OddBird]

If people need to know what I am, they can simply ask. I am of the oldest faith and practice on earth, that has been from the beginning and will exist unto the end.

I have been refraining from participating because I couldn’t see that discussion going anywhere, but now you have made me curious. What is the “oldest faith and practice on earth” ?
If I had been asked, based on that discussion, I would have said, as @Mary888, that you were a Protestant.

 

[Diaconia]

Your responses throughout this thread display an ignorance of the two characteristics that make one a Christian:

1. Belief in the Trinity (Three Persons in One God)
2. Belief in the two natures of Christ (100% fully God & 100% fully human, not 50% and 50%)

The Council of Ephesus (431) declared Mary the Mother of God, Theotokos.

And, before you bother to type the words, “where is the Trinity in the Bible?” The Bible is not the collection of all the actions of Christ or His Church. Jesus did not write anything down, He taught and created a singular Church, the Catholic (Universal) Church.

The Scriptures you quote were edited for you by the Catholic Church. The Bible you read is a Catholic book. The selection of what made it into the Bible was made by the Catholic Church. Everything Christianity has today was given it by the Catholic Church.

Sacred Tradition predates the New Testament – when you come to understand that, these things will begin to make sense to you.
Deacon Christopher

 

[SetInMotion]

We are now off OP. I do not desire to derail the thread, and if others desire to speak with me about such things, ask me elsewhere.

 

[Fauken]

But unfortunately for the Catholic Church it couldn’t take Christ out of the bible entirely, without undermining the very authority that it was attempting to establish.

Your uncharitable and unsubstantiated slander against the Church will not be tolerated on this forum.

 

[Wesrock]

Wesrock:

Do you believe Jesus is God?

Jesus is the only begotten Son of God (the Father; John 1:14). He is “the man” “Christ Jesus” (I Tim. 2:5). He is also eternal “God” (not the person of the Father, neither the person of the Holy Spirit).

God (Deity) does not have beginning, but is eternal and always existing, “I AM”), and being “without father” (humanly speaking) “without mother” (divinely speaking), as Heb. 7:3 shares. The humanity of Jesus has a mother, a beginning, as per, Gal. 4:4. A “mother” speaks to that which is born of the flesh, and not of the spirit, as per John 3:6.

Therefore, would you mind answering the question directly please?

Is she called this (‘Mother of God’) in the Holy Scriptures, or by anyone in the Holy Scriptures?

Also, can you now show me the word “theotokos” in the Holy Scriptures, please?

I know about Luke 1:43, wherein Elizabeth makes the statement about the Messiah, and the Throne of David, her “Lord”. The word used is not “theou”. Even in the Latin it is Domini, not Deus.

Persons have mothers, not natures. Mary is the mother of Jesus. She is the origin of his human nature, not the divine nature, but she is Jesus’ mother, and Jesus is God. Denying Mary’s motherhood of God or that she is God-bearer (theotokos) is a denial of Jesus’ divinity and a partition of his personhood.

The titles are not given in scripture, but that doesn’t mean they are inappropriate. She bore God in her womb and was the mother he chose.

 

[Wesrock]

Wesrock:

Actually, Mary as the archetype of the Church/New Jerusalem is a common connection.

Really? What is your source for that statement? Please produce that here. Thank you, as I would like to see it.

A few Patristic sources I was able to quickly dig up.

St. Ambrose

Well [does the Gospel say]: married but a virgin; because she is the type of the Church, which is also married but remains immaculate. The Virgin [Church] conceived us by the Holy Spirit and, as a virgin, gave birth to us without pain. And perhaps this is why holy Mary, married to one man [Joseph], is made fruitful by another [the Holy Spirit], to show that the individual churches are filled with the Spirit and with grace, even as they are united to the person of a temporal priest.

St. Augustine of Hippo

Therefore this woman alone, not only in spirit, but also in body, is both Mother and Virgin. She is Mother in the Spirit, but not of our Head, the Savior himself, for it is she who was spiritually born from him, since all who believe in him, among whom she too is to be counted, are rightly called children of the Bridegroom. Rather, she is clearly the Mother of his members; that is, of ourselves, because she cooperated by her charity, so that faithful Christians, members of the Head, might be born in the Church. As for the body, she is the Mother of its Head.

How is it that you do not belong to the Virgin’s birth, if you are members of Christ? Mary gave birth to our Head; the Church gave birth to you. Indeed, the Church also is both virgin and mother, mother because of her womb of charity, virgin because of the integrity of her faith and piety.

Nevertheless it is true, the Church is the mother of Christ. Mary preceded the Church as its type.

Isodore of Seville

Today through a birth as beautiful as the glow of dawn, sons of light are generated by grace from Mother Church, who bears within her the impress of the image of the Virgin Mother, who bore fruit without the intervention of man.

Mary represents the Church, which, being wedded to Christ, conceived us as a virgin by the Holy Spirit and as a virgin bore us.

 

[Guest1]

Is Mary the mother of everyone? Christians and non-christians?

If it’s literally not her name does that mean she’s not mother of all?

 

[anon91549587]

I have heard that many of what was written in the OT came from oral tradition . Can someone confirm ?

If it is a yes , that would be contradictory to a protestant’s belief that everyone that is not in the bible is to be discounted .

 

[MamaJewel]

Why? Is she “Divine” (adj.) with a capital “D” and “M”?

Wesbter’s states , " DIVINE , adjective [Latin , a god.]", and EtyOnline says , "… from Latin divinus “of a god,” from divus “of or belonging to a god, …related to deus “god, deity” …”

Divine = of or belonging to a God (God of all gods)
Mother = related to God as the human Mother of the Incarnate Christ (ie Theotokos)