Is masturbation a sin?

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Tim, what I was speaking of is a type of addiction many people can claim to have. There is a distinction between habit and addiction.
Certainly there is but I doubt many would claim that teenage boys (and girls, frankly) masturbating are addicts addicted to the act. I like to eat chips and I eat far too many of them but it doesn’t mean I’m addicted to them.
 
Sure it matters. When someone hides behind a moniker on an anonymous discussion board dispensing what they claim to be the unadulterated teachings of the Church, then they should have something to back that up. Why that confuses you, frankly, confuses me.
If, say, you knew the person had a degree in theology, would your question not arise?

Many posters present a position referencing it to Church teaching or simply asserting “the Church teaches…”. Must they first declare their qualifications to do that?

I think your objections could only be overcome by closing down all boards except ‘ask an Apologist’, and with the qualifications of the Apologists also set out.
 
If, say, you knew the person had a degree in theology, would your question not arise?

Many posters present a position referencing it to Church teaching or simply asserting “the Church teaches…”. Must they first declare their qualifications to do that?
Sometimes I think they should. You would certainly want someone dispensing medical advice to have a background in medicine, wouldn’t you?

One of the reasons that I ask is that some of the priests who post here seem to be at very distant odds with those who claim to be advocating Church teaching. Whose word, then, are you going to accept?
 
Are you a bonafide theologian? I’m just curious from what position you dispense your pronouncements on theological issues.
These are extraordinarily important questions when it comes to this forum and one should not be hesitant to ask them.

You will readily find people here who offer opinions as if they were authoritative – or worse presenting themselves as though they have an expertise when at most, they have taken a few classes at an undergraduate level.
 
Whose word, then, are you going to accept?
Were one to ask a couple of friends similar questions, whose advice should one accept when they differ? The public forum can certainly be “hit or miss”.
 
Sometimes I think they should. You would certainly want someone dispensing medical advice to have a background in medicine, wouldn’t you?
No level of “background” can be assumed for any participant on the public forum. Perhaps that fact needs to be more evident? And if there are real priests participating on the public forum, perhaps CAF should have a means to verify bona fides and “tag” them in some way.
One of the reasons that I ask is that some of the priests who post here seem to be at very distant odds with those who claim to be advocating Church teaching. Whose word, then, are you going to accept?
You make the presumption that someone’s word ought to be accepted. it’s a forum - a debate - and yes, people are likely to be influenced, but it’s the same in any forum.
 
Sometimes I think they should. You would certainly want someone dispensing medical advice to have a background in medicine, wouldn’t you?

One of the reasons that I ask is that some of the priests who post here seem to be at very distant odds with those who claim to be advocating Church teaching. Whose word, then, are you going to accept?
Above all, you want to know if someone who is prescribing a path to follow for your health is either a doctor of medicine or a high school drop out…and weigh the counsel accordingly.

There is a reason why, in the rules under which this forum used to conduct itself, people were strictly not to give medical advice, at all…medical advice should be given by health care professionals. Legal advice should be given by those who are licensed to practice the law.

In the same way, there were proscriptions concerning any threads that were countermanding, for example, spiritual direction. Ignoring counsel received in spiritual direction should not be done except in the circumstances/criteria that an authentic spiritual director would himself/herself know. Any priest should, of course, know that – but non-priests would not necessarily have that background or training.

And I have many times encountered the equivalent of pastoral malpractice in what has been said here…things completely at odds with sacramental theology or moral theology, to name but two.

You should definitely beware. Every person here should beware.
 
These are extraordinarily important questions when it comes to this forum and one should not be hesitant to ask them.
Thank you for your support, Sir. Some here seem to think it irrelevant at best to ask such a question. Not surprisingly, they also seem to present differing opinions from you on the subject at hand. Perhaps they are uncomfortable having their position undermined by someone with bonafide credentials?
 
The Topics on CAF are sometimes too personal for discussion. The best advice is to ask your parish priest in Confession.

This Forum is really for lighter subjects!
 
Thank you for your support, Sir. Some here seem to think it irrelevant at best to ask such a question. Not surprisingly, they also seem to present differing opinions from you on the subject at hand. Perhaps they are uncomfortable having their position undermined by someone with bonafide credentials?
Well…after all my years, I do not accept a premise that everyone is equal.

I have, of course, seen through students to the successful defence of their thesis. It is a moment of joy. They have passed beyond being my student to a different place and a different relationship. Are they, in that moment, my equal? No. Very much not. Although I may well discern the gifts that will take them there and even beyond.

Then there is a moment in which a person who was your student goes on to become himself/herself someone significant in the academy. Are they my peer? Yes…assuredly. And warmly, gladly, gratefully acknowledged as such – as they take their place in the academy by their teaching, their academic appointments, their publications.

And then there is that special reality, when either it is one of your students or one of the newly ordained/young priests you helped form after ordination – upon whom you yourself imposed hands after the bishop in the moment of his priestly ordination – who is elevated to the episcopate. And one has the joy of seeing the student overpass the master to become more than you had the power to gift him with.
 
Were one to ask a couple of friends similar questions, whose advice should one accept when they differ? The public forum can certainly be “hit or miss”.
No level of “background” can be assumed for any participant on the public forum. Perhaps that fact needs to be more evident? And if there are real priests participating on the public forum, perhaps CAF should have a means to verify bona fides and “tag” them in some way.

You make the presumption that someone’s word ought to be accepted. it’s a forum - a debate - and yes, people are likely to be influenced, but it’s the same in any forum.
Yes indeed.

Theologians and Priests too can argue and differ with one another as to what is the truth or what is error or what is the moral thing to do. And they can make mistakes too. Simply part of things. It is important to have great respect for them and their vocation (anyone who knows me in life knows I very much do so) while avoiding any clericalism (see Russell Shaw. Ignatius Press etc). But to know that they too that we are all limited and can make a mistake.

For instance I found an error in one rather orthodox Professors book - and pointed it out to him - for which he was thankful. Everyone can make a mistake or a misjudgment and we see even the Catholic Answers Apologists (Priests and Laity) getting questions like “I was told this by so and so…or this theological writer said this” …to which the Apologists then provide the Teachings of the Church etc.

It is as you note a Public Forum - caveat emptor- yes one must weigh the answers and discuss them. And remember what it is and what it is not. It an an anonymous forum. One does not know really who each of us is. If Pope Francis posted here - I would need to find out if he really was Pope Francis! (though I would not put it past him to one day do so - he does like to ring up people on the phone - so perhaps one day he will visit us here!) Sometimes you even get atheists posting in a way that one thinks they are another Catholic.

This forum should not be a substitute for say approaching your own Pastor or Confessor or others whom one really knows. And who knows you pastorally if it is say a question of Conscience or moral question. And of course there are the know places and known experts one can ask - such as the National Catholic Bioethics Center etc etc.

One of course ought to seek out the right sources (Catechism etc etc) or can research the question on the main Catholic Answers site - one for example knows quite well who the Catholic Answers Apologists are - including the Priests at Catholic Answers. That is one reason why they have that service of Ask an Apologist, and now that has migrated to to a different form on the new site - but it still is active - just ask your question there or look to see if it as already been asked. That way one knows who is answering.

Yes indeed on a public forum one must take great care -just as one ought not necessarily run with advice one finds say on a forum where people discuss medical problems! Just cause they say they are a doctor or a nurse or a brain surgeon - they may be but they may not be a good one. Seek out trustworthy sources - talk to your doctor who knows you and whom you know - weigh what you read - seek out verified sources of knowledge and experts- do not just take medical advice and run with it from forum.

Caveat emptor.

On the other side - if one knows - “hey this is a forum” - and approaches it as such -then it can be a good experience - even if you do not always agree with this or that poster or they with you. You can proceed as Christians - as brothers and sisters and as interested persons in a topic or sharing what one has come to know or encounter new ideas or approaches.

And there will be disagreements at times. If someone disagrees with me - we might discuss it out - but in the end they are my brother (or sister) and I theirs. We are fellow Christians and sometimes we get to practice virtues we did not know we needed more of - and to forgive and to forbear etc. In the end let us always be brothers (in the biblical sense).

And if they are not yet Christians who argue - well they too are loved and we can share common human respect together.

And heck if they are “enemies” and hostile as some come here simply to attack the faith - well the Lord said “love your enemies” and “pray for those who persecute you” so that is we are to do too.
 
I think you’ve mentioned as much before.

Serious question: You speak of your wife and kids so I know you can’t be a priest, nor or you probably a religious. Are you a bonafide theologian? I’m just curious from what position you dispense your pronouncements on theological issues.
Yes it would be rather problematic to be a Religious and Married! :eek: I am rather a tertiary. There are married Priests though …but no I am not a Priest (not one of the Clergy converts from Anglicanism- though I am a convert from years ago). One though does not need to be Priest or Religious or a Professional Theologian to discuss Theology…though I greatly admire those called to those vocations and consider or was attracted to each to them at one point or another in my life.

Pronouncements?

That is what Popes make… not ol’ bookcat…

I cannot even make pronouncements* to my puppy*! (if only she would really learn to stay!)

My background? Yes as I noted I have a great love for Theology and books. Which lead me to study formally and receive a degree in Theology (with honors) from Franciscan University of Steubenville. Nor has that satiated my love or my study. If only my kids would not eat all my book money these days of late…are we sure honey they need all those meals?
 
Were one to ask a couple of friends similar questions, whose advice should one accept when they differ? The public forum can certainly be “hit or miss”.
No level of “background” can be assumed for any participant on the public forum. Perhaps that fact needs to be more evident? And if there are real priests participating on the public forum, perhaps CAF should have a means to verify bona fides and “tag” them in some way.

You make the presumption that someone’s word ought to be accepted. it’s a forum - a debate - and yes, people are likely to be influenced, but it’s the same in any forum.
Yes indeed.

Theologians and Priests too can argue and differ with one another as to what is the truth or what is error or what is the moral thing to do. And they can make mistakes too. Simply part of things. It is important to have great respect for them and their vocation (anyone who knows me in life knows I very much do so) while avoiding any clericalism (see Russell Shaw. Ignatius Press etc). But to know that they too that we are all limited and can make a mistake.

For instance I found an error in one rather orthodox Professors book - and pointed it out to him - for which he was thankful. Everyone can make a mistake or a misjudgment and we see even the Catholic Answers Apologists (Priests and Laity) getting questions like “I was told this by so and so…or this theological writer said this” …to which the Apologists then provide the Teachings of the Church etc.

It is as you note a Public Forum - caveat emptor- yes one must weigh the answers and discuss them. And remember what it is and what it is not. It an an anonymous forum. One does not know really who each of us is. If Pope Francis posted here - I would need to find out if he really was Pope Francis! (though I would not put it past him to one day do so - he does like to ring up people on the phone - so perhaps one day he will visit us here!) Sometimes you even get atheists posting in a way that one thinks they are another Catholic.

This forum should not be a substitute for say approaching your own Pastor or Confessor or others whom one really knows. And who knows you pastorally if it is say a question of Conscience or moral question. Often in answering a question here in the forums myself - I add that the person should bring the matter to their confessor etc. This is anon. forum - so even if the advice is from a Priest or a poster you generally think is correct - that is not a substitute as I noted.

And of course there are the know places and known experts one can ask - such as the National Catholic Bioethics Center etc etc.

One of course ought to seek out the right sources (Catechism etc etc) or can research the question on the main Catholic Answers site - one for example knows quite well who the Catholic Answers Apologists are - including the Priests at Catholic Answers. That is one reason why they have that service of Ask an Apologist, and now that has migrated to to a different form on the new site - but it still is active - just ask your question there or look to see if it as already been asked. That way one knows who is answering.

Yes indeed on a public forum one must take great care -just as one ought not necessarily run with advice one finds say on a forum where people discuss medical problems! Just cause they say they are a doctor or a nurse or a brain surgeon - they may be but they may not be a good one. And they actually have warnings on sites telling you this. Seek out known trustworthy sources - talk to your doctor who knows you and whom you know - weigh what you read - seek out verified sources of knowledge and experts- do not just take medical advice and run with it from forum.

Caveat emptor.

On the other side - if one knows - “hey this is a forum” - and approaches it as such -then it can be a good experience - even if you do not always agree with this or that poster or they with you. You can proceed as Christians - as brothers and sisters and as interested persons in a topic or sharing what one has come to know or encounter new ideas or approaches…

And there will be disagreements at times. If someone disagrees with me - we might discuss it out - but in the end they are my brother (or sister) and I theirs. We are fellow Christians and sometimes we get to practice virtues we did not know we needed more of - and to forgive and to forbear etc. In the end let us always be brothers (in the biblical sense).

And if they are not yet Christians who argue - well they too are loved and we can share common human respect together.

And heck if they are “enemies” and hostile as some come here simply to attack the faith - well the Lord said “love your enemies” and “pray for those who persecute you” so that is we are to do too.
 
I am in no position to advise anyone whether or not they may be in mortal sin through

masturbation, although I acknowledge that it is objectively a mortal sin. To step back for a

moment, though, it is very clear, from the frequency with which it is discussed on this forum,

that this particular sin is an enormous cause of anxiety, worry and despair among so many

men, and of course women. Some young and some not so young. I can recall reading

posts from people who seemed to be wishing for an early death, almost suicidal because

of their inability to refrain from this sin.

The anxieties faced by those I have described are intense. The thought that by one

unconfessed act of impurity one may effectively be damning oneself for all eternity is

terrifying.
 
I hope the young OP is served by the answers.
And not frustrated by the extra curricular.
 
I am in no position to advise anyone whether or not they may be in mortal sin through

masturbation, although I acknowledge that it is objectively a mortal sin. To step back for a

moment, though, it is very clear, from the frequency with which it is discussed on this forum,

that this particular sin is an enormous cause of anxiety, worry and despair among so many

men, and of course women. Some young and some not so young. I can recall reading

posts from people who seemed to be wishing for an early death, almost suicidal because

of their inability to refrain from this sin.

The anxieties faced by those I have described are intense. The thought that by one

unconfessed act of impurity one may effectively be damning oneself for all eternity is

terrifying.
A very sobering post. It certainly does make the issue a bit more complicated than some here will admit.
 
How does it make it more complicated than “some” admit?
This isn’t necessarily responsive to that post, but I do find it interesting that masturbation is the one part of the Catechism where the Church goes out of its way to point out the ways in which the sin can be mitigated. Technically, that’s true of all mortal sins: culpability can always be mitigated if an element is missing. Masturbation is the one sin where the Church feels the need to remind everyone of the possibility of mitigation. Seems to me to be hinting that, practically speaking, it very often IS mitigated.
 
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