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Tony888
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Jay, please recognize when I was describing LDS theology and not attempting to rewrite RCC theology.
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Jay53
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But you were comparing it to Catholic theology and *I thought *trying to show how they were similar.
Your statement is completely false and is in NO way similar to Catholic belief. Stephen168
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I have only known one person, raised in a Catholic home, who converted to Mormonism. He never practiced his faith as adult, and has almost no idea what the Catholic Church teaches. When I asked him why he converted to Mormonism, he didn’t want to talk about it. Basically it was a feel good decision not based on any real thought.
I wonder if he thinks there is no difference in Catholic and Mormon belief like you do. Mormonism just feels better than Catholicism. Only someone with almost no knowledge of Catholicism would continuously make the false claims about Catholic beliefs and practices that you consistently do.
I’m glad you are here to learn more about the 2000 year old faith you rejected. Even if you continuously make claims you have been told are false, at least you know they are false. Making known false statements are called lies.
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Telstar
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"Tony888:
Jay53:
) I was much more focused on trying to describe a simple way that we can visualize how the Trinity can exist as One. I admit, it was probably a poor example that most people would think was stupid, but I gave it my best shot, anyway. Besides, I was up all night long just trying to make that post as clear as possible. My husband got up and left for work while I was still sitting here at my keyboard. 
Tony, by your own admission, you were referring to the LDS belief that Jesus and the Holy Spirit were somehow ‘created’ by the Father (no doubt through some kind of interaction with the ‘heavenly goddess’). When I first read that line in your post, the bells and whistles in my head went off, because I know for a fact that no Mormon worth his salt would* ever* come right out and admit to believing in anything like that. Since you are a recent convert to the LDS, I’m sure you will most likely get a PM from another member of the church, sharply rebuking you for such a blatant and grave mistake, and I fully expect to see another post from you, or one of them, stating that you ‘misspoke’, and really didn’t mean it the way it sounded. That’s OK. Sometimes these things happen for a reason. I guess it’s just God’s way of keeping us humble.
BTW… Jay is absolutely correct. The Father did not create Jesus, or the Holy Ghost, as your post implies. They are All Eternal. They had no beginning and They will have no end. They always have, and always will exist, together, forever. The Holy Trinity (One God) created everything in this universe, and if there is any such thing as other universes, then our same One God created all of them, too. There is only One God. Our belief systems are an infinity apart on this subject, so trying to say that they’re ‘almost’ the same, is not even close to being true on any level at all. Some day, I hope you’ll return to the Catholic Church, as I hope my other Mormon friends will as well. :yup:
This was one part of your post that I also wanted to address in my earlier post, but I was more intent on trying to explain the differences between the LDS view of the Trinity and the RCC view (which I believe is the only correct one), but I already had a problem trimming that post down to fit within the forum size restrictions. (I know, I do tend to prattle on about spiritual stuff like that.
) I was much more focused on trying to describe a simple way that we can visualize how the Trinity can exist as One. I admit, it was probably a poor example that most people would think was stupid, but I gave it my best shot, anyway. Besides, I was up all night long just trying to make that post as clear as possible. My husband got up and left for work while I was still sitting here at my keyboard. Tony, by your own admission, you were referring to the LDS belief that Jesus and the Holy Spirit were somehow ‘created’ by the Father (no doubt through some kind of interaction with the ‘heavenly goddess’). When I first read that line in your post, the bells and whistles in my head went off, because I know for a fact that no Mormon worth his salt would* ever* come right out and admit to believing in anything like that. Since you are a recent convert to the LDS, I’m sure you will most likely get a PM from another member of the church, sharply rebuking you for such a blatant and grave mistake, and I fully expect to see another post from you, or one of them, stating that you ‘misspoke’, and really didn’t mean it the way it sounded. That’s OK. Sometimes these things happen for a reason. I guess it’s just God’s way of keeping us humble.
BTW… Jay is absolutely correct. The Father did not create Jesus, or the Holy Ghost, as your post implies. They are All Eternal. They had no beginning and They will have no end. They always have, and always will exist, together, forever. The Holy Trinity (One God) created everything in this universe, and if there is any such thing as other universes, then our same One God created all of them, too. There is only One God. Our belief systems are an infinity apart on this subject, so trying to say that they’re ‘almost’ the same, is not even close to being true on any level at all. Some day, I hope you’ll return to the Catholic Church, as I hope my other Mormon friends will as well. :yup:
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Tony888
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How was I wrong in describing LDS and then RCC teachings? I was dead on!But you were comparing it to Catholic theology and *I thought *trying to show how they were similar.
You were the one who confused them
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It is clear you know almost nothing about Catholic practice or teaching. But it has been a good way for you to avoid explaining and defending Mormon teaching.
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Tony888
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Telstar,Tony, by your own admission, you were referring to the LDS belief that Jesus and the Holy Spirit were somehow ‘created’ by the Father (no doubt through some kind of interaction with the ‘heavenly goddess’). When I first read that line in your post, the bells and whistles in my head went off, because I know for a fact that no Mormon worth his salt would* ever* come right out and admit to believing in anything like that. Since you are a recent convert to the LDS, I’m sure you will most likely get a PM from another member of the church, sharply rebuking you for such a blatant and grave mistake, and I fully expect to see another post from you, or one of them, stating that you ‘misspoke’, and really didn’t mean it the way it sounded. That’s OK. Sometimes these things happen for a reason. I guess it’s just God’s way of keeping us humble.
I welcome a correction if I am wrong, but have yet to receive a PM. I’m 90% certain I am portraying LDS theology correctly here. Even you are welcome to link to LDS doctrine than conflicts with my statements.
Are you being intentionally difficult?
I described LDS theology and did not insist nor imply it was RCC theology,
I have never implied nor said the RCC believes Jesus and the Holy Ghsot were created by God.
Again, we are trying to compare/contrast beliefs, not drown out the other point of view by shouting louder that I’m right and you’re wrong!!
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Jim_Dandy
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But, Tony, fact is, the Catholic Church is right and the LDS are wrong. There is no comparison.
A treasure digger, who peered through magic peepstones in his hat to find treasure and deceive people, can’t possibly be a prophet of God. Instead, the kindest spin I can put on it is that he was a magnificent story teller who is still conning people from his grave.
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alaindelong
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Mormonism must be considred a polytheistic religion because LDS members espouse the belief that through eternal progression everyone has the ability to have a world in which they will serve as a God. In the same manner that mormons believe Jesus rules over the planet Earth. they believe that one day they can have a world in which they will be a God pf that world.
There is not one Protestant or Catholic who would deny that the tenets of the Mormon faith fall ouside of mainstream Christian beliefs.
There is not one Protestant or Catholic who would deny that the tenets of the Mormon faith fall ouside of mainstream Christian beliefs.
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Marianne_Ph
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Have any of you read Under the Banner of Heaven, by Jon Krakauer? It is the true story of fundamentalist groups who broke off from mainstream Mormonism. Many of them still practice polygamy today. Some murders were committed by two of their members who claim they acted in obedience to divine command.
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catholic-rcia
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Couple questions for you Parker.
Catholics have been accused of worshipping Mary and the Saints, yet I do not know any who understand their faith who would do this. For me it would be impossible to worship any other but God.
Christians worship Jesus as well as the Father through the Holy Spirit.
Do you Parker worship Jesus?
Can you place Him above all things?
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alaindelong
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Catholics do NOT worship Mary or the Saints we venerate them. This is one of the many misconceptions of uninformed non-Catholics. Also While dying on the cross Jesus proclaimed to His Mother>Woman behold your son, referencing His beloved apostle John. Then to john he said "Son behold your Mother. Jesus not only was giving His Mother to John but to all of us. Mary through the power of the Holy Spirit gave Jesus His body and blood. Then Jesus gives us His Divinity in the Holy Eucharist John 6.
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Tony888
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Jim, thank you for engaging on the forum as intended, with Christian Charity
(sarcasm intended)
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Tony888
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Yup, on second read my sentence was not clear
To be clear, I do not believe RCC theology teaches God the Father created the two additional persons of the Trinity (Christ and Holy Ghost). This is one of many differences in our Doctrines, since I do believe LDS theology teaches God created Christ, as well as the Holy Spirit
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Tony888
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No I haven’t read it, and don’t see the point unless I’m studying the power of personality. Jim Jones also started out as minister in a mainstream Protestant denomination. The devil caught him and he turned away from God. The stories of Ministers and Priests going bad are more abundant than any Christian would care to admit.
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Marianne_Ph
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Agree on that last sentence. However, here we are talking about brutal murders “directed” by God. The book gives a comprehensive history and detailing of the LDS church beliefs leading up to their act. It relates that these people believed sincerely in the teaching and dictum of Joseph Smith. They were taught to respond to God’s private revelation to them. They were instructed by God to “remove” an infant child and her mother. Granted, this was not mainstream LDS. At over 600 pgs., it tells a lot more about the church than just that account. Other followers of this thread may be interested.
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PaulDupre
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It is true that the FLDS and other fundamentalist groups are practicing Mormonism the way Joseph Smith and Brigham Young intended. If Joseph Smith came back to earth today, I doubt that he would recognize the Brighamite LDS as the church he founded. He would probably feel very comfortable in the FLDS church, though. Warren Jeffs is exactly like Joseph Smith.
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zaffiroborant
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They were discussing this on MD and I think Warren Jeffs is more like Brigham Young than Joseph Smith.
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PaulDupre
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Brigham Young did not have a penchant for young teenaged girls like Joseph Smith and Warren Jeffs. Though all three were power-hungry.
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