Is Mormonism a Polytheistic religion?

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ParkerD, you do realize everything you have going in that post is non-Biblical?

We are sealed to Jesus Christ by baptism, not by marriage.

Marriage is not required for Salvation, for living in the presence of God or for aligning oneself to God.

And last, Mormons do not call Jesus, “God”, ever, the term “God” being reserved for the god you call “Heavenly Father”. So I don’t know why you’re changing that for a Catholic audience.
That was the first response, in my mind, to his statement, as well. They can’t even bring themselves to pray to Jesus, because Jesus is ‘just the Son’ to them. They only pray to their “heavenly father” (of flesh & bone), so inferring that Jesus is the focus in that trinity is completely against their own view of their god. I’m sure it’s yet another attempt to make them look more like they have more in common with Catholic views, when they really don’t. I doubt that he ever would have said anything like that if he wasn’t surrounded by Catholics. :rolleyes:
 
RJ,

No, I haven’t, and no, I was not aware of the use of the word “goddesses” in that lesson, and I am not upset about it or worried about it in the least. In the full context of that lesson, it’s OK with me that someone decided to use the word “goddesses” instead of “kings and queens” who rule just as the Savior taught in Matthew and John saw in vision. It still means “one with God and one with Jesus Christ”, and that lesson is good in explaining about the marriage needing to be sealed by the Holy Spirit of Promise and to have a triangle relationship where Christ is the focal point of that triangle.
Parker - it wasn’t just someone who used the word gods and goddesses - this is official church teaching.

What I got out of the lesson was “You better get married in the temple girls or you will not be exalted, will not live in eternity with your families, and you will be **ministering servants **to those who did get married in the temple.” (Insert sarcasm) But hey, the choice is yours, and we are really big on free will. Your parents will not pressure you - you are free to marry or not to marry. Go to college, travel the world, think it over…but whatever you do, you better be married by 22 in the temple or we will never let you live it down. And if you don’t get married in the temple, just remember, your marriage ends at death AND you will be serving those of us that did.
But really, the choice is yours. No pressure.
Then, the couple become changed as they go through their life, to what He wants them to become instead of to what they themselves may have thought they were becoming. They become led by the Good Shepherd, and it is amazing what He does as they accept that kind of relationship. I know about it, first-hand.
Jesus came for all. The homeless, the single, the mentally ill, married couples, drug addicts…everyone.
The neat package of Mormonism is made for such a select few. It is not what Christ intended - all He wants is our love and obedience to Him.
For some, this includes married life - others, not. It is okay not to be married. Jesus doesn’t demand it.
According to the lesson for LDS young women, it is necessary for exaltation.
 
It does help, though, it is so hard to come back. There was a period 5 or 6 years ago where I was traveling more as a part of my job. When I returned I’d cry all the way from the airport to home. I don’t do that anymore, but I keep trying to get my family to move. I can’t seem to get them to do it. So here we are. Lately I’ve been asking God to help me realize the purpose of keeping me here.
I have spoken with Catholics who have grown up here who are now 50ish and they say they always have a pit in their stomach and always think about moving away.
However, like you, their families are here and I am not sure where they would go (unless there was a job transfer that made the move necessary).
Many devout Catholics I know have said they feel that living here is like being a missionary on assignment. It is hard to know…
The weirdness is everything about Mormon culture. But yes, I think people walking around believing they are gods/goddesses-in-training, with special secret knowledge that no one else has, is at the root of it. It breeds an insular form of specialness, which comes across as arrogance. It permeates everything, from politics, to waiting for a table at a restaurant.
Yes, you have hit the nail on the head. I have been trying to figure out what is the genesis of this weirdness - and you have explained it so well.
Yes, it permeates everything. Letting doors drop on people, staring straight ahead in line at the store…it is not like this in other states (we travel quite a bit).
Lord keep you from the day you have to sit on a plane full of returning missionaries. That one was tough.
That would be difficult. We still laugh about the day when we were waiting for an international flight and everyone around us were holding signs for their returning missionary. When asked where our missionary was coming from my son explained we were part of a service project that was welcoming students from a troubled part of the world in order to promote peace among the students. They were dumbfounded.
You mean *Catholics *do those things? :rolleyes:
It’s as if they own even that section of the airport.
 
Parker -

Can the One True Religion be polytheistic? (yes or no)
Lax16,

For me, that is a silly question and a non-Biblical question and ultimately a Greek or Roman mythology question, so the answer is “of course not”. No.

You seem to have missed my having noted that the word we should be discussing is “one-theistic”. That leads into the area of understanding the intercessory prayer, and understanding the Godhead, and understanding being “one with Them.”

“True religion” will never be “polytheistic” because omnipotence is one power, and has no division that subdivides it although the power of God can be and has been delegated to man.
 
Lax16,

For me, that is a silly question and a non-Biblical question and ultimately a Greek or Roman mythology question, so the answer is “of course not”. No.
What is your definition of polytheism - does it differ from the one I posted from Webster’s dictionary?
What would you call a religion that believes in the existence of more than one God?
You seem to have missed my having noted that the word we should be discussing is “one-theistic”. That leads into the area of understanding the intercessory prayer, and understanding the Godhead, and understanding being “one with Them.”
I have missed nothing - I am not discussing the Trinity or Godhead on purpose.
I am strictly interested in the fact that Mormons believe in the existence of more than one God. It is clear that you do, but you are trying to avoid the label polytheists.
“True religion” will never be “polytheistic” because omnipotence is one power, and has no division that subdivides it although the power of God can be and has been delegated to man.
Who created Heavenly Father and Mother?
 
Lax16,
You will never get a straight answer. But you must admit, the man can really tap-dance! 😉
But let your ‘Yes’ be ‘Yes,’ and your ‘No,’ ‘No.’ For whatever is more than these is from the evil one.
  • Matt 5:37
Paul (formerly LDS, now happily Catholic)
 
Hi Miriam,

What you said about Mormons believing God was created by another God—please show me evidence for that.

Joseph said a lot of irresponsible things, as you know. I think there’s quite a bit of evidence that he walked close to the Lord for a period of time but backslid during approximately the last 10 years of his life.

As you may also know, much of what he said has been neglected by the LDS to the point where it’s debatable whether they still teach it. (I’ve been praying for the Mormon Church for over 20 years now, so I like to think their positive changes over the last couple decades are due in part to my prayers. God is faithful to answer all our prayers!)

When I want to know what the LDS teaches I go primarily to Gospel Principles, a book they use in one or two Sunday school classes every Sunday in every local chapel across the country. This book provides quite a different picture than do the old statements by Joseph stored back in their “dusty closets.”

I have found that the only way I can see the LDS as God sees them is by spending lots of time waiting on the Lord—lots of time reading the Bible, praying (including praying in tongues & asking for his wisdom), and following His presence. Seeing them through God’s eyes has not been easy because of the constant pressure around me as an evangelical to dismiss them as an unchristian cult.

The lost will be attracted to the Lord when his children unify (John 17:20-21). I don’t love you any less, for example, because you’re Catholic. All I care about is that you know Jesus—that he is living in your heart, that you are living for Him. This makes you my sister. . . . What a glorious life it is, huh?

Blessings to you.
 
SteveVH said, “When one admits that they believe in more than one god while at the same time claiming to be monotheistic something just doesn’t sit right.”

I think the problem has to do with semantics more than anything else. Maybe if we step away from the word god it will help. The word is charged with electricity, as is the title of this thread!

Both evangelicals, the LDS, and the Catholic Church (correct me if I’m wrong on Catholicism) believe that the Father is ruling the universe through Christ, that he created this world through Christ, and that he will judge the world through Christ.
Both evangelicals and the LDS believe that Jesus is the Son of God, that He died for our sins so that we could live with Him through faith and overcome sin with help from the Holy Spirit, and that he rose from the dead three days later for our salvation.
We all believe the Father is ruling the universe and the Son is ruling the universe at the Father’s right hand in submission to the Father. 👍
 
SteveVH said, “When one admits that they believe in more than one god while at the same time claiming to be monotheistic something just doesn’t sit right.”

I think the problem has to do with semantics more than anything else. Maybe if we step away from the word god it will help. The word is charged with electricity, as is the title of this thread!

Both evangelicals, the LDS, and the Catholic Church (correct me if I’m wrong on Catholicism) believe that the Father is ruling the universe through Christ, that he created this world through Christ, and that he will judge the world through Christ.
Both evangelicals and the LDS believe that Jesus is the Son of God, that He died for our sins so that we could live with Him through faith and overcome sin with help from the Holy Spirit, and that he rose from the dead three days later for our salvation.
We all believe the Father is ruling the universe and the Son is ruling the universe at the Father’s right hand in submission to the Father. 👍
Hi, Cal,

Have you read the posts in this thread? If not, I invite you to do so.

No, it’s not a problem with semantics. See my post #741.

Mormonism is not Christian; they do not believe in the Christian Trinity, and the Jesus they believe in is not the Christian Christ. They are, in fact, polytheists, which is the point of this thread. Christianity, as I’m sure you know, is monotheistic, as is its predecessor, Judaism.

Some posters on this thread are former Mormons.

I hope you will enjoy CAF.

Jim Dandy
 
What is your definition of polytheism - does it differ from the one I posted from Webster’s dictionary?
Lax16,

Since the word “polytheism” is, as noted in the definition you posted, derived from the Greek, as is “monotheism”, which means that those words come from Greek philosophy and Greek thinking and the Greek mindset, then “polytheism” is not a word I deal with in studying true religion. I not only don’t come from that background in my thinking about God and His purposes for the creation of this earth and of the heavens, but I happen to know that that background is false as to truths pertaining to religion or pertaining to God. So, the “either or” word for you is not the “either or” situation for me. Further, Greek philosophy is exactly the foundation that is tied to the apostasy, so of course that foundation does not lead to an “either or” situation for truth in simple words.

You may take John 17:22 (KJV), collapse it into a single word that is representative of what you believe that verse means in one word, and then you’ll have your word and you’ll have your definition. Greek philosophy will not get you there–they didn’t believe in Christ, nor in God the Father, nor in the Holy Ghost, and certainly didn’t believe in the intercessory prayer nor in what Jesus was saying in His loving prayer for humankind as translated into English in John 17:22.
What would you call a religion that believes in the existence of more than one God?
True Christianity, of course, as in the Godhead: God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost, which are One God. (Mormon 7:7; Alma 11:44)
Who created Heavenly Father and Mother?
They are self-existing. Answer, then, is “no one.”
 
SteveVH said, “When one admits that they believe in more than one god while at the same time claiming to be monotheistic something just doesn’t sit right.”

I think the problem has to do with semantics more than anything else. Maybe if we step away from the word god it will help. The word is charged with electricity, as is the title of this thread!

Both evangelicals, the LDS, and the Catholic Church (correct me if I’m wrong on Catholicism) believe that the Father is ruling the universe through Christ, that he created this world through Christ, and that he will judge the world through Christ.
Both evangelicals and the LDS believe that Jesus is the Son of God, that He died for our sins so that we could live with Him through faith and overcome sin with help from the Holy Spirit, and that he rose from the dead three days later for our salvation.
We all believe the Father is ruling the universe and the Son is ruling the universe at the Father’s right hand in submission to the Father. 👍
The LDS go further, teaching that there are other universes ruled by other gods, and that new gods are being exalted all the time. These gods produce spirit children, place the spirit children on the planets they organize, and are worshipped by their spirit children.

The LDS have also taught that no one will enter the celestial kingdom (the highest LDS heaven) without the express approval of Joseph Smith.

So there are major differences in LDS cosmology when compared with Christian cosmology.

I can’t see that the two can be reconciled in any way.

Paul (formerly LDS, now happily Catholic)
 
Since the word “polytheism” is, as noted in the definition you posted, derived from the Greek, as is “monotheism”, which means that those words come from Greek philosophy and Greek thinking and the Greek mindset, then “polytheism” is not a word I deal with in studying true religion. I not only don’t come from that background in my thinking about God and His purposes for the creation of this earth and of the heavens, but I happen to know that that background is false as to truths pertaining to religion or pertaining to God. So, the “either or” word for you is not the “either or” situation for me. Further, Greek philosophy is exactly the foundation that is tied to the apostasy, so of course that foundation does not lead to an “either or” situation for truth in simple words.
Wow refusal to acknowledge English words because they are derived from Greek words, that makes soooo much sense.
:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::coolinoff: had to catch my breath there
 
Wow refusal to acknowledge English words because they are derived from Greek words, that makes soooo much sense.
Zaffiroborant,

What is the single English word that you would condense John 17:22 into as a single word? Evidently, you get to choose between the words “polytheism” and “monotheism” and those are your only choices since those are the only words coming from the Greek that pertain to the subject of “One God” and “one with God”, and evidently you think there is a perfect translated word that came into use in English for precisely what John 17:22 expresses.
 
Lax16,

Since the word “polytheism” is, as noted in the definition you posted, derived from the Greek, as is “monotheism”, which means that those words come from Greek philosophy and Greek thinking and the Greek mindset, then “polytheism” is not a word I deal with in studying true religion. I not only don’t come from that background in my thinking about God and His purposes for the creation of this earth and of the heavens, but I happen to know that that background is false as to truths pertaining to religion or pertaining to God. So, the “either or” word for you is not the “either or” situation for me. Further, Greek philosophy is exactly the foundation that is tied to the apostasy, so of course that foundation does not lead to an “either or” situation for truth in simple words.
What about these Greek words that appear in the Book of Mormon? Do you have trouble with these Greek words as well, seeing as they come from Greek philosophy and Greek thinking and the Greek mindset?

Alpha – Greek
Apostles – Greek
Baptize – Late Latin/Greek
Bible – Greek
Blasphemy – from the Latin from the Greek
Christ – Latin, Greek
Christians – Latin, Greek
Church – Greek
Cross –Latin, Greek
Crucified – Greek
Doctrine – Greek
Epistle – Greek
Genealogy – from the Latin from the Greek
Gospel –Greek
Govern, governor, government & derivatives – from the Latin, from Greek
Holy Ghost – Holy is Latin & Greek, Ghost is Greek
Inasmuch – Greek, Indo-European roots
Insomuch – Middle English from the Greek
Jesus – from the Latin, from the Greek
Jesus Christ
Jesus is the Christ
John – Greek
Know & derivatives – Greek
Lamb of God – Lamb is Greek –
Martyr & derivatives – Greek
Messiah – Greek
Mystery – Greek
Omega – 24th Letter of the Greek alphabet
Priesthood – Latin & Greek
Prophecy – from Latin from Greek
Prophet – from Latin from Greek
Stratagem – Latin from the Greek
Timothy – Greek

btw - there is a picture of Socrates on the BYU Department of Philosophy homepage (he was a Greek)
You may take John 17:22 (KJV), collapse it into a single word that is representative of what you believe that verse means in one word, and then you’ll have your word and you’ll have your definition. Greek philosophy will not get you there–they didn’t believe in Christ, nor in God the Father, nor in the Holy Ghost, and certainly didn’t believe in the intercessory prayer nor in what Jesus was saying in His loving prayer for humankind as translated into English in John 17:22.
Obviously, you are going off on a tangent trying to avoid defining polytheism.

Anywho, the English language is comprised of words from Latin which was used by the Romans who were blood-thirsty pagans who persecuted Christians and from the Germanic tribes which were all pagans…which ancient language can we talk to each other in that would have been used by an ancient Christian sect?
True Christianity, of course, as in the Godhead: God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost, which are One God. (Mormon 7:7; Alma 11:44)
The words in red are derived from the Greek so I don’t think you would agree to using them.
They are self-existing. Answer, then, is “no one.”
If God’s parents are self-existing, then they are the beginning. Were they gods?
Don’t you believe that God was once a man?
 
What about these Greek words that appear in the Book of Mormon? Do you have trouble with these Greek words as well, seeing as they come from Greek philosophy and Greek thinking and the Greek mindset?

Alpha – Greek
Apostles – Greek
Baptize – Late Latin/Greek
Bible – Greek
Blasphemy – from the Latin from the Greek
Christ – Latin, Greek
Christians – Latin, Greek
Church – Greek
Cross –Latin, Greek
Crucified – Greek
Doctrine – Greek
Epistle – Greek
Genealogy – from the Latin from the Greek
Gospel –Greek
Govern, governor, government & derivatives – from the Latin, from Greek
Holy Ghost – Holy is Latin & Greek, Ghost is Greek
Inasmuch – Greek, Indo-European roots
Insomuch – Middle English from the Greek
Jesus – from the Latin, from the Greek
Jesus Christ
Jesus is the Christ
John – Greek
Know & derivatives – Greek
Lamb of God – Lamb is Greek –
Martyr & derivatives – Greek
Messiah – Greek
Mystery – Greek
Omega – 24th Letter of the Greek alphabet
Priesthood – Latin & Greek
Prophecy – from Latin from Greek
Prophet – from Latin from Greek
Stratagem – Latin from the Greek
Timothy – Greek
Lax16,

As you know, Greek was a language of translation of the original documents that became the compiled New Testament, so of course there are very religious words that have an origin in the Greek language, such as “Christ” meaning “anointed One”. This ties directly to Isaiah 61:1, which would of course have been written originally in Hebrew.

I have no problem using Greek words that are in the KJV Bible as Biblical words to convey Biblical meanings to a reader, or Hebrew derivation words or Latin derivation words. If one traces the root source back to Greek philosophy, as differentiated from the Biblical translation coming from a Greek written language thus using Greek-origin words such as “Christ”, then that is a different root source.

You won’t find the word “polytheism” in the Bible, at all, nor the word “monotheism”.
btw - there is a picture of Socrates on the BYU Department of Philosophy homepage (he was a Greek)
Yes, he was a Greek philosopher, and if one studies philosophy, they will certainly study the writings of Socrates.
Obviously, you are going off on a tangent trying to avoid defining polytheism.
No, I am saying that that verse (John 17:22) contains the exact meaning that is being described by the Latter-day Saint beliefs about becoming “one with God”, so if you can’t compress that meaning into one word, then you haven’t approached understanding the Latter-day Saint belief by using a word that means something distinctly different than the compressed meaning of that verse.
Anywho, the English language is comprised of words from Latin which was used by the Romans who were blood-thirsty pagans who persecuted Christians and from the Germanic tribes which were all pagans…which ancient language can we talk to each other in that would have been used by an ancient Christian sect?
Hebrew.
 
Hi Jim,

You believe Mormonism denies that Father & Son are one in essence and nature. And when you say “nature” in this context, you don’t mean character, you mean essence. Is that right?

I think there’s a disconnect of communication somewhere between you, Joseph, and me. I’m trying to fish it out here. :hmmm::juggle:

Did you read the following quote of Joseph?:
“Each God in the Godhead is a personage, separate and distinct from each of the others, yet they are ‘One God,’ meaning that they are united as one in the attributes of perfection. For instance, each has the fullness of truth, knowledge, charity, power, justice, judgment, mercy, and faith.”

In my mind, when Joseph lists the attributes of perfection, he is describing the essence that makes Father & Son one. If that’s not His essence, what is it?

When Joseph Smith said “each God in the Godhead is a personage, separate and distinct from each of the others,” what do you think he meant? I suspect you see something in that that I don’t. The LDS teaches that the Father has a flesh & bones body. Is that basically what you’re disagreeing with?

When Joseph talked about the plurality of Gods, in my mind he meant nothing more than that the Father is Ruler, Jesus is Ruler, and the Holy Spirit is Ruler—and together they form one Ruler.

It seems like you are seeing something I’m not. If we can get to the bottom of it, at least I will understand your position better.​

Although I respect ex-Mormons, I don’t count them as the final authorities on what the LDS believes. Would you want me to judge you on the basis of what your enemies have said about you? Without giving you a chance to defend yourself?

I certainly disagree with Mr. Smith’s irresponsible comment that God was once a man like us and many other such comments. But for the sake of organization & simplicity, I’m going to focus on one issue at a time.

Thanks, Jim. Have a nice day!
 
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