murdock,
You have that one right!I think it was in one of those lists of “what Mormons believe”. That was news to me, I must say, I’m sure it was news to you as well.
Yeah…I think we’ve been having a couple of threads that have this issue prominantly featured, come to think of it.
Why, (she says sweetly) of course! …and I’ll go to the ex-Catholics who post on CARM to explain the real Catholicism to me.
Only in the same way you 'follow the teaching of" Peter, John, Mark, Luke, et. al.
I suppose he did, if you can describe 200 armed men with painted faces storming a jail filled with men that they THOUGHT were unarmed and defenseless, only to find out that Joseph had a pistol that misfired after three shots a “gun brawl.”
True.
Only for stupid men who were expecting harems. Mormon men didn’t quite get that.
Well, let’s see…the women who joined that polygamous church could vote seventy years earlier than other American women, they could, and did, become physicians, lawyers, judges and writers and were respected as such; they could, and did, attend universities and get degrees in a time when women were frequently denied the opportunity to work in those fields or attend universities–or if they did attend, were often not allowed to recieve the degrees they earned there.
I truly appreciate that. I suggest that the prayer be couched thusly: “Dear Lord, let the Mormons find and understand the Truth of Thee and Thy Son.”
Let’s see:
No need for apologies.I think it was in one of those lists of “what Mormons believe”. That was news to me, I must say, I’m sure it was news to you as well.
Edit: it’s actually in a link from the initial post.
Sorry StLawrenceFan, from what I’m aware of, Mormons definitely believe in the bodily resurrection of Jesus Christ.
not even close. mormonism has nothing to do with christianity. if you study their temple rites,they are a religion based off of masonry. it was only in 1990 that they dropped the blood oath in their temple rites. also they teach adam is father god and lucifer is the brother of jesus. the mormon religion has always fascinated me, and these comments are not meant to be disrepectful. but the mormon church could probably make more headway if they were honest and stated that they were another religion, and stop trying to masquerade as christian. they are christian in no sense any more than a muslim or a buddhist are. if you read the book of mormon or the koran, they both spend alot of time trying to convince the reader that this book is true and the prophet is of god. do i believe joseph smith and mohommad were prophets? yes, but after the order of ballam.
–Well said, Ben. Only recently have Mormons wanted to be called Christians. (only recently did Joe Smith form their ‘religion’). Joe blared to the world that Christian relgions were, “all wrong … all their creeds were an admonition in his sight, and that those professors (Christians) were all corrupt” (Pearl of Great Price, Joseph Smith, 2:18-19).
One of the many beauties of the Catholic Church is we have the Catechism. When a Mormon is asked a question there is a very high probability they willWhy, (she says sweetly) of course! …and I’ll go to the ex-Catholics who post on CARM to explain the real Catholicism to me.
That’s flatly false.
Non sequitur. They have roots in both masonry and Christianity–never mind that masonry is also a phenomenon with some roots in Christianity.
In the sense that God has many “spirit children,” yes.
Clearly that’s not true with regard to Buddhism. Islam is more complicated, but I’d say that Jesus plays a much more central role in Mormonism than in Islam, and Mormons, unlike Muslims, do accept the Bible as inspired.
Heh - IMO, there’s no single “Christ of the Bible”. The Jesus of the Gospels doesn’t bear a whole lot of resemblance to Paul’s Christ in the Epistles.
They have a number of surface similarities at the very least. And more to the point I made, both score a few points on the “cult warning signs” scorecard, but neither score so many as to be rightly called a “cult” or a “dangerous group”.
You didn’t really answer my question. And what do you consider “Christian Doctrine”? Do you mean “Catholic Doctrine”? Because if you do, you’d be excluding every denomination that isn’t in communion with Rome. And if you mean something else, it would help for you to say which doctrines make up the core “Christian Doctrine” that you describe, and why it includes certain doctrines but not others.
And they’re understood differently by Catholics and Protestants, but apparently that doesn’t exclude them from the label “Christian”, does it?
The only denomination that I know of that holds as doctrine that Jesus wasn’t married is the Catholic Church. AFAIK, most Protestant denominations leave their members free to believe as they want on the matter.
AFAIK, that’s correct. I’ll let the actual Mormons give the official word, but from what I remember, the Book of Mormon only says that a particular group was marked with dark skin. The idea that the Native Americans are their descendants is conjecture.
Sure, but all this means that believing Eden was in Missouri doesn’t go against any doctrine of the Catholic Church, right?
There are understood considerably more differently in Mormonism. However, you simply asked if the CC taught differently on these topics, and the answer is yes, very much differently. If the difference between Catholicism and Protestantism is a 5, the difference between Protestantism and Mormonism is a 50, on another axis. I am not arguing that they should not be called Christians in some sence, but their fundemental understanding of reality is quite different.
This is not an accurate way to find out what Protestants think. It’s like reading John Spong to get an idea of Anglican belief. It is also simply untrue. Many Protestant groiups do not have something like the CCC to look up what is “right” but that does not mean that they do not have doctrines and beliefs. And of course the various Orthodox Churches would have no time for such an assertion either.
It does if the lack of an answer constitutes the answer.
The reason that most Protestant groups don’t have something like the CCC is that they believe the only valid sources of doctrine are the Bible itself (which doesn’t mention Jesus having a wife, but doesn’t explicitly say that he wasn’t married) and the guidance of the Holy Spirit in the individual believer (which nobody outside the individual believer can say what it says).
But that depends: by “the lack of an answer” do you mean that the Catholic Church has reserved judgement on the matter, or that it has authoritatively pronounced that the location of Eden is unknowable?
This is off topic, but why do you say that the Muslims don’t accept the Bible as inspired? I know that they don’t think Jesus was the Son of God, but they think he was a great prophet along the lines of Moses and Elijah.
I would ask you, if your word meant anything. Your actions on various threads have shown me you are nothing other than a liar. I wouldn’t waste my time conversing with you regarding the LDS faith or about anything else for that matter.
That is much too general a statement to make about Protestantism. Many do not have the kind of theology you are describing, and many that do still maintain that certain Biblical interpretations are correct and others aren’t (whether this is logical is another question.)
Yes, probably. You know, some Catholic theologians don’t think Eden was exactly a place on Earth as we know it now? The story of the Fall is considered by a number of people, and not just moderns, to be theological allegory. Whether this is right or wrong I have no idea, but the CC allows this as a possibility. Without another special revelation, I think it would be considered impossible to know.
As far as I know, the Mormon church does not officially say that Jesus Christ was married. They may allow for that belief, but I’ve never read anything that says that Jesus was married in Mormon belief, at least not yet. Also, Orthodox Christians do not believe He was married. Your mainstream Protestant friends may be stating their opinions, however it seems as if the vast majority of mainstream Christian churches believe that Jesus Christ was not married.