Is Mormonism Condemned?

[dcana]

If you do not believe that Jesus is THE One Holy Most Exalted GOD who exists from all eternity and will exist to all eternity and that He created all that is, equally with the Father and the Holy Spirit, in my opinion, you are not a Christian, I’m sorry to say. Period. End of story (I wish). A “spirit-child” of God the Father is most definitely NOT God who exists from all eternity to all eternity. He would be a creature. He would be part of Creation - not the Creator - like you and me and yes, Lucifer, his “spirit-brother.” In all that has existence, there are only two “categories,” so to speak - God and everything else. God and everything He created. God and Creation. That’s it.

Mormons, how about this challenge:
Believe in Jesus. Jesus as WE proclaim Him to be, not as you believe Him to be. What would happen if you did? Something bad? Something good? Why not consider believing it? Can you just imagine if what we say is true? Think how wonderful it would be - how much more wonderful HE would be - eternally God with the Father and the Holy Spirit. Imagine how you would worship Him, how you would pray to Him, how you would say to Him with St. Thomas, “My Lord and my God!” Well, I’ve got good news for you - it is true. Believe what the Good News and the Apostate Church says about Jesus - not what Joseph Smith, et al, say. Consider also that the Apostate Church just may not be the apostate Church. Think about the many things that Jesus said, and the entire New Testament for that matter, would be the lot of those who followed Him, what the world would believe about them. Think of the many lies and falsehoods they told about Jesus Himself. Since Jesus and His Body are one, what sort of things would one expect the world throughout Christian history to say about the body? Maybe that it went apostate after the death of the last apostle? Have His words proved true or not? Look around you and see if this is not happening now. See what Church the world hates more than any other, now as always, and you will see God’s Church. Why? Simple. Because she proclaims the Light that “is come into the world” and men (i.e. “the world”) love darkness rather than the Light. It ain’t the Mormon church, or the Presbyterians, or the Four-Square church. Come to think of it - it couldn’t be. These churches were founded centuries after the Church was founded. If there was no true Church for 1800 or 1500 years, who then would the world hate? The Light would have been extinguished from the world for centuries. Is God that impotent? I think not. The Light is to shine for all men, in every year, for all eternity. The Body can only go the way of the Head, since the two are inseperable - in fact, all the way to the Cross, and this will surely happen at the End, and She will be villified, slandered, and jeered at just like He was. And She will be vindicated and rise in eternal glory, just as He did. Ask the Holy Spirit to give you faith.

Here, this explains it much better. It was formulated many centuries ago by a council of the Apostate Church. It may be familiar. I’m just kidding, of course. But consider, maybe for the first time, what it is actually saying, and believe. Simple as that, just believe. Please pay special attention to the parts in bold:

We believe in one God, the Father, the Almighty, maker of heaven and earth of all that is seen and unseen. We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ, the only Son of God, eternally begotten of the Father, God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten, not made, ONE IN BEING with the Father. Through Him all things were made. For us men and for our salvation He came down from heaven; by the power of the Holy Spirit He was born of the Virgin Mary, and became man. For our sake He was crucified under Pontius Pilate; He suffered died, and was buried. On the third day He rose in fulfillment of the Scriptures; He ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father. He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead, and his kingdom will have no end. We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life, who proceeds from the Father and the Son. With the Father and the Son He is worshiped and glorified. He has spoken through the Prophets. We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church. We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins. We look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen.

Amen.

As far as the salvation of individual Mormons, as many have wisely pointed out, that is for no one to judge but God, who sees the heart and takes all things into consideration. If one is saved, it is only through Jesus Christ, the one who they claim, and rightly so, as their savior. And it is only though the Apostate Church, which is His Body, that He founded. However, Mormonism can only hinder one’s path to know “the one true God, and Jesus Christ whom He has sent,” since what it proclaims about Him is nothing short of blasphemous and heretical, just like what the Muslims believe about Jesus (there - I said it). However, since all things are possible with God, He can even use this religion to draw people to Himself. Sound paradoxical? It probably is, but then again we are talking about God the supreme, and supremely good, Mystery.

 

[MrZetterlund]

“I have always declared God to be a distinct personage, Jesus Christ a separate and distinct personage from God the Father, and that the Holy Ghost was a distinct personage and a Spirit: and these three constitute three distinct personages and three Gods. If this is in accordance with the New Testament, lo and behold! we have three Gods anyhow, and they are plural: and who can contradict it!”
Joseph Smith, History of the Church, vol. 6, p. 473

I must admit, sometimes I struggle to wrap my head around the trinity thing.
Here’s what it’s like in my head sometimes:

Is Jesus like a chunk of God or something? If He is literally God the Father, then who’s He praying to, Himself? What did He mean exactly by “I and My Father are one?” Is God now two people at once? Doesn’t that mean they are two Gods, but they’re just taking turns being ruler of the universe? And what about the Holy Spirit, I mean seriously? Does another chunk of God fly around to motivate us?

I just settle to say that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are three separate states living in one diety that is the eternal God. I think that’s right. :yup:

 

[dianaiad]

If you do not believe that Jesus is THE One Holy Most Exalted GOD who exists from all eternity and will exist to all eternity and that He created all that is, equally with the Father and the Holy Spirit, in my opinion, you are not a Christian, I’m sorry to say. Period. End of story (I wish). A “spirit-child” of God the Father is most definitely NOT God who exists from all eternity to all eternity. He would be a creature. He would be part of Creation - not the Creator - like you and me and yes, Lucifer, his “spirit-brother.” In all that has existence, there are only two “categories,” so to speak - God and everything else. God and everything He created. God and Creation. That’s it.

Mormons, how about this challenge:
Believe in Jesus. Jesus as WE proclaim Him to be, not as you believe Him to be.

Why? I mean…you are wrong and we are right. What earthly good would it do us to believe as you do?

What would happen if you did? Something bad? Something good? Why not consider believing it? Can you just imagine if what we say is true?

Certainly. I have imagined it. Don’t like it.

Think how wonderful it would be - how much more wonderful HE would be - eternally God with the Father and the Holy Spirit. Imagine how you would worship Him, how you would pray to Him, how you would say to Him with St. Thomas, “My Lord and my God!” Well, I’ve got good news for you - it is true.

Well now, I have a question for you. Why would believing as you do, that God the Father, Jesus the Christ and the Holy Ghost are One God…make us any more convinced that Jesus is the Savior, the Son of God and the Messiah? How would doing that give us any more joy than we find now?

Believe what the Good News and the Apostate Church says about Jesus - not what Joseph Smith, et al, say. Consider also that the Apostate Church just may not be the apostate Church. Think about the many things that Jesus said, and the entire New Testament for that matter, would be the lot of those who followed Him, what the world would believe about them. Think of the many lies and falsehoods they told about Jesus Himself. Since Jesus and His Body are one, what sort of things would one expect the world throughout Christian history to say about the body? Maybe that it went apostate after the death of the last apostle?

Actually…never mind.

Have His words proved true or not? Look around you and see if this is not happening now. See what Church the world hates more than any other, now as always, and you will see God’s Church.

Are you sure that the ‘world hates’ Catholicism more than any other church? Right at the moment, everyone who isn’t Muslim hates Islam more than any other religion, I have a suspicion…and frankly, Catholicism has done quite a bit of hating of her own.

Come to that, which group is the mainstream Christian world trying hardest to kick out of Christendom altogether? Which group was driven out of a nation? Which group was declared legal prey within the last two hundred years? Which group has had an army sent after it…the RELIGION, mind you, not the country it controlled?

Here’s a hint…it ain’t the Catholics.

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[dianaiad]

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Why? Simple. Because she proclaims the Light that “is come into the world” and men (i.e. “the world”) love darkness rather than the Light. It ain’t the Mormon church, or the Presbyterians, or the Four-Square church. Come to think of it - it couldn’t be. These churches were founded centuries after the Church was founded. If there was no true Church for 1800 or 1500 years, who then would the world hate?

Anybody different. Who did the Catholics hate? They did find quite a few, y’know.

The Light would have been extinguished from the world for centuries. Is God that impotent? I think not. The Light is to shine for all men, in every year, for all eternity. The Body can only go the way of the Head, since the two are inseperable - in fact, all the way to the Cross, and this will surely happen at the End, and She will be villified, slandered, and jeered at just like He was. And She will be vindicated and rise in eternal glory, just as He did. Ask the Holy Spirit to give you faith.

I do; daily and nightly…and He does.

Here, this explains it much better. It was formulated many centuries ago by a council of the Apostate Church. It may be familiar. I’m just kidding, of course. But consider, maybe for the first time, what it is actually saying, and believe. Simple as that, just believe. Please pay special attention to the parts in bold:

We believe in one God, the Father, the Almighty, maker of heaven and earth of all that is seen and unseen. We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ, the only Son of God, eternally begotten of the Father, God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten, not made, ONE IN BEING with the Father. Through Him all things were made. For us men and for our salvation He came down from heaven; by the power of the Holy Spirit He was born of the Virgin Mary, and became man. For our sake He was crucified under Pontius Pilate; He suffered died, and was buried. On the third day He rose in fulfillment of the Scriptures; He ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father. He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead, and his kingdom will have no end. We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life, who proceeds from the Father and the Son. With the Father and the Son He is worshiped and glorified. He has spoken through the Prophets. We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church. We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins. We look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen.

Amen.

As far as the salvation of individual Mormons, as many have wisely pointed out, that is for no one to judge but God, who sees the heart and takes all things into consideration. If one is saved, it is only through Jesus Christ, the one who they claim, and rightly so, as their savior. And it is only though the Apostate Church, which is His Body, that He founded. However, Mormonism can only hinder one’s path to know “the one true God, and Jesus Christ whom He has sent,” since what it proclaims about Him is nothing short of blasphemous and heretical, just like what the Muslims believe about Jesus (there - I said it). However, since all things are possible with God, He can even use this religion to draw people to Himself. Sound paradoxical? It probably is, but then again we are talking about God the supreme, and supremely good, Mystery.

Well, we do not believe what the Muslims do about Jesus, y’know. I"m just sayin.

 

[dianaiad]

I must admit, sometimes I struggle to wrap my head around the trinity thing.
Here’s what it’s like in my head sometimes:

Is Jesus like a chunk of God or something? If He is literally God the Father, then who’s He praying to, Himself? What did He mean exactly by “I and My Father are one?” Is God now two people at once? Doesn’t that mean they are two Gods, but they’re just taking turns being ruler of the universe? And what about the Holy Spirit, I mean seriously? Does another chunk of God fly around to motivate us?

I just settle to say that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are three separate states living in one diety that is the eternal God. I think that’s right. :yup:

That’s modalism–or awfully close to it.

 

[benidict]

Actually, we believe that God the Father created the entire universe. We even have a scripture that specifically mentions His creating 'worlds without number." We believe that He created them through His Son, Jesus. I know that I’m repeating that, but you seem to have missed it when I mentioned it the first time. We do not believe that God the Father is the God of THIS earth only, nor that Jesus the Christ is in ‘charge’ of this earth only.

Universe. All of it. Every galaxy, black hole, binary star system, nebula, star and planet. The whole thing. That is rather important.

Now…are we monotheists? Well, sort of. Are we polytheists? Also…sort of, if you look at the Christian system from OUTSIDE the Christian system, (from the perspective of Muslims and Jews, for instance, who really are unabashed monotheists) all of Christianity is polytheistic. On the other hand, looking at it from very polytheistic groups, like the Hindus, I guess we are all a lot closer to monotheism than not.

I personally would call Mormonism “henotheistic,” but not because of the Trinity. You see, we beleive rather strongly in one Godhead…and that three Persons make up that Godhead; God the Father, His Son, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost. They are One in thought, in purpose…(and to repeat myself yet again) and in that…whatever it is…that makes them God. Not 'Gods," plural, but “God.” That…whatever it is…may not be what you might call ‘substance,’ but it is something that They do not share with any of the REST of us. We believe that they are separate Beings. We worship God the Father through His Son, Jesus Christ, because Jesus 'bought us with a Price." His the only Name by which we may be saved.

Now if I knew exactly what it is you are attempting to GET at, it might help…

i really appreciate your honesty on this post diana. this is a fundamental difference between traditional Christianity and Mormonism. have you ever met among your Mormon brothers and sisters one who accepts the traditional doctrine of the trinity? if so how does the LDS treat them? appreciate your candor and your comments. Love in Christ.

 

[xixxvmcm85]

This is a treacherously uncharitable thread and I don’t really want anything to do with it, but I do feel compelled to correct two very specific things:

But you don’t think they are truely one do you? They are each individually God, in their own right arent’ they? Or at the very least, every single ex-mormon discussing the faith regardless of where they’ve converted to stated exactly that. You don’t believe in a single universal God.

Actually, this is what creedal Christianity teaches. This is part of the dogma of the trinity. God the Father is fully God. Jesus the Son is fully God. God the Holy Spirit is fully God. “They are each individually God”. Maybe I misunderstood your post?

I must admit, sometimes I struggle to wrap my head around the trinity thing.
Here’s what it’s like in my head sometimes:

Is Jesus like a chunk of God or something? If He is literally God the Father, then who’s He praying to, Himself? What did He mean exactly by “I and My Father are one?” Is God now two people at once? Doesn’t that mean they are two Gods, but they’re just taking turns being ruler of the universe? And what about the Holy Spirit, I mean seriously? Does another chunk of God fly around to motivate us?

I just settle to say that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are three separate states living in one diety that is the eternal God. I think that’s right. :yup:

I’m having a hard time distinguishing what you’ve typed here from the heresy of modalism and if you truly believe this, you might find yourself more comfortable in a Oneness Pentecostal church.

Jesus is not a “chunk of God” and the three persons of the trinity do not “take turns being rulers of the universe”. They are distinct persons of one substance. They aren’t different faces, different personalities, or different “modes” of the one true God.

 

[Melkite_Sword]

Why? I mean…you are wrong and we are right. What earthly good would it do us to believe as you do?

What makes you think that you are right?.. What historical or Biblical grounds do you have to say that?

This will make for an intresting discussion.

Peace

 

[Melkite_Sword]

I must admit, sometimes I struggle to wrap my head around the trinity thing.
Here’s what it’s like in my head sometimes:

Is Jesus like a chunk of God or something? If He is literally God the Father, then who’s He praying to, Himself? What did He mean exactly by “I and My Father are one?” Is God now two people at once? Doesn’t that mean they are two Gods, but they’re just taking turns being ruler of the universe? And what about the Holy Spirit, I mean seriously? Does another chunk of God fly around to motivate us?

I just settle to say that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are three separate states living in one diety that is the eternal God. I think that’s right.

1. Jesus is not a chunk of God, Jesus is fully God, because he has the same divine nature as the Father. making him the second person of the Trinity
2. The Holy Spirit is fully God, because he has the same divine nature as the Father and the Son. Making him the third person of the trinity.
3. all three persons have the same nature making them co-equal, Being one in the divine nature, they therefore must be one in being. as there cannot be three gods having the same eternal nature, what we have is three persons in one Being (God).

 

[Techno2000]

I must admit, sometimes I struggle to wrap my head around the trinity thing.
Here’s what it’s like in my head sometimes:

Is Jesus like a chunk of God or something? If He is literally God the Father, then who’s He praying to, Himself? What did He mean exactly by “I and My Father are one?” Is God now two people at once? Doesn’t that mean they are two Gods, but they’re just taking turns being ruler of the universe? And what about the Holy Spirit, I mean seriously? Does another chunk of God fly around to motivate us?

I just settle to say that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are three separate states living in one diety that is the eternal God. I think that’s right. :yup:

Hi,MrZetterlund
If you are going to be a Catholic you must believe in the Nicene Creed because we recite it everyday at Mass.

THE NICENE CREED (381 A.D.)

We believe in one God,
the Father, the Almighty,
of all that is, seen and unseen.

We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ,
the only Son of God,
eternally begotten of the Father,
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made,
of one Being with the Father.

Through him all things were made.

For us and for our salvation
he came down from heaven:
by the power of the Holy Spirit
he became incarnate from the Virgin Mary,
and was made man.

For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate;
he suffered death and was buried.

On the third day he rose again
in accordance with the Scriptures;
he ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.

He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead,
and his kingdom will have no end.

We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father and the Son.

With the Father and the Son he is worshiped and glorified.

He has spoken through the Prophets.

We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church.

We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.

We look for the resurrection of the dead,
and the life of the world to come. Amen.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicene_Creed

 

[MrZetterlund]

This is a treacherously uncharitable thread and I don’t really want anything to do with it, but I do feel compelled to correct two very specific things:

Actually, this is what creedal Christianity teaches. This is part of the dogma of the trinity. God the Father is fully God. Jesus the Son is fully God. God the Holy Spirit is fully God. “They are each individually God”. Maybe I misunderstood your post?

I’m having a hard time distinguishing what you’ve typed here from the heresy of modalism and if you truly believe this, you might find yourself more comfortable in a Oneness Pentecostal church.

Jesus is not a “chunk of God” and the three persons of the trinity do not “take turns being rulers of the universe”. They are distinct persons of one substance. They aren’t different faces, different personalities, or different “modes” of the one true God.

sigh you’re misinterpriting my post. The third paragraph is my final conclusion. I don’t believe anything in the middle part.

 

[dianaiad]

i really appreciate your honesty on this post diana. this is a fundamental difference between traditional Christianity and Mormonism. have you ever met among your Mormon brothers and sisters one who accepts the traditional doctrine of the trinity? if so how does the LDS treat them? appreciate your candor and your comments. Love in Christ.

Yes, it IS a fundamental difference between traditional Christianity and the LDS form of it–but then I’ve never claimed to be a traditional Christian. It’s one of the defining differences, actually.

Mormons who believe in the Trinity as described by Orthodox Trinitarians tend to belong to the Community of Christ.

I do have a problem with the whole thing, though. From where I sit, there isn’t all that much difference between the two concepts of Orthodox Trinitarianism and the LDS view of it. Certainly those two concepts are a great deal closer than modalism is, or the view folks like the Jehovah’s Witnesses have. Consider:

We believe that all Three are Persons who have been co -eternal. God created the universe through His Son, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost is the One who does the witnessing…

They are One in purpose, design and thought–and in that quality called “God.”

When I look at the thing, I strikes me that the biggest quarrel we have is one of an understanding of that “quality called ‘God’.” You call it ‘substance,’ and we–don’t really have a name for it, except perhaps…Godhead, or 'quality of being God." The second disagreement we have is in this concept of 'Person" vs. “Member.” or “Being”…and perhaps that’s the more defining idea. From what I glean here, “Person” doesn’t necessarily mean a complete, separate Being. “Person” COULD be (and is, in mortal law) an artificial construct that exists for a specific purpose, but is not a complete individual.

(yeah, yeah…don’t get upset…I know that the analogy isn’t quite right when applied to the Trinity as Catholics see it.)

We go with “Being,” and you don’t want to go that far–and stick with “Person.”

All this, too me, makes me think that the biggest difference is that we emphasize the ‘separateness’ of those Beings, and you emphasize the 'substance."

 

[dianaiad]

What makes you think that you are right?.. What historical or Biblical grounds do you have to say that?

This will make for an intresting discussion.

Peace

I’m a Mormon, I believe that Jesus IS the Christ…and that Joseph Smith was a prophet just like the prophets that lived and served Him after His death in the very early church. My reason for believing is the same reason you believe that Jesus is your Savior; it is subjective, the answer to prayer, and the excercise of faith.

I’m not here to prove that my church is "true.’ as anybody here can tell you. My purpose here is to defend my faith from untruth. That is, to make certain that if people are going to criticise and disagree with my beliefs, they are actually doing so with our actual beliefs, not strawman constructs.

 

[benidict]

Yes, it IS a fundamental difference between traditional Christianity and the LDS form of it–but then I’ve never claimed to be a traditional Christian. It’s one of the defining differences, actually.

Mormons who believe in the Trinity as described by Orthodox Trinitarians tend to belong to the Community of Christ.

I do have a problem with the whole thing, though. From where I sit, there isn’t all that much difference between the two concepts of Orthodox Trinitarianism and the LDS view of it. Certainly those two concepts are a great deal closer than modalism is, or the view folks like the Jehovah’s Witnesses have. Consider:

We believe that all Three are Persons who have been co -eternal. God created the universe through His Son, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost is the One who does the witnessing…

They are One in purpose, design and thought–and in that quality called “God.”

When I look at the thing, I strikes me that the biggest quarrel we have is one of an understanding of that “quality called ‘God’.” You call it ‘substance,’ and we–don’t really have a name for it, except perhaps…Godhead, or 'quality of being God." The second disagreement we have is in this concept of 'Person" vs. “Member.” or “Being”…and perhaps that’s the more defining idea. From what I glean here, “Person” doesn’t necessarily mean a complete, separate Being. “Person” COULD be (and is, in mortal law) an artificial construct that exists for a specific purpose, but is not a complete individual.

(yeah, yeah…don’t get upset…I know that the analogy isn’t quite right when applied to the Trinity as Catholics see it.)

We go with “Being,” and you don’t want to go that far–and stick with “Person.”

All this, too me, makes me think that the biggest difference is that we emphasize the ‘separateness’ of those Beings, and you emphasize the 'substance."

hi diana, i appreciate your answere. just one piece of clarification if you would please. do you mean to tell me that their is a brance of mormonism called the community of Christ? that actually does accept the doctrine of the trinity in traditional circles. if so where could i get info on them. i find this fascinating. and dont worry, ive yet to see a post of yours that gets me upset. on the contrary, i find them very educational. one more question, did you get your screen name from the martyr found in the writings of Clement to the corinthians? came across your screen name in his writings.peace be with you.

 

[TheosisM]

hi diana, i appreciate your answere. just one piece of clarification if you would please. do you mean to tell me that their is a brance of mormonism called the community of Christ? that actually does accept the doctrine of the trinity in traditional circles. if so where could i get info on them. i find this fascinating. and dont worry, ive yet to see a post of yours that gets me upset. on the contrary, i find them very educational. one more question, did you get your screen name from the martyr found in the writings of Clement to the corinthians? came across your screen name in his writings.peace be with you.

cofchrist.org/

The Community of Christ used to be called the “Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints”. They do accept the Trinity, and they seem to be more liberal than the Utah-based LDS Church (they ordain women for one).

 

[benidict]

cofchrist.org/

The Community of Christ used to be called the “Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints”. They do accept the Trinity, and they seem to be more liberal than the Utah-based LDS Church (they ordain women for one).

hi thosism. thank you. i am familiar with the reorganized church. but i did not know this about them. will have to study up on them a bit more. thank you.

 

[dianaiad]

hi diana, i appreciate your answere. just one piece of clarification if you would please. do you mean to tell me that their is a brance of mormonism called the community of Christ? that actually does accept the doctrine of the trinity in traditional circles. if so where could i get info on them. i find this fascinating. and dont worry, ive yet to see a post of yours that gets me upset. on the contrary, i find them very educational. one more question, did you get your screen name from the martyr found in the writings of Clement to the corinthians? came across your screen name in his writings.peace be with you.

The Community of Christ used to be called the Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. They have become a pretty standard Protestant sect, and I do believe that their view of the Trinity marches pretty close to standard Traditional Christianity.

And my name…is the name my mother gave me at birth. She was a confused soul, though; She named me Diana Christine…'dianaiad" is me being funny with literature, greek mythology and, well…it’s a name nobody else uses, which is helpful. I hate having to put lots of numbers after my screen name.

 

[benidict]

The Community of Christ used to be called the Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. They have become a pretty standard Protestant sect, and I do believe that their view of the Trinity marches pretty close to standard Traditional Christianity.

And my name…is the name my mother gave me at birth. She was a confused soul, though; She named me Diana Christine…'dianaiad" is me being funny with literature, greek mythology and, well…it’s a name nobody else uses, which is helpful. I hate having to put lots of numbers after my screen name.

hi diana, ive been looking at their websites. ive gotten in alot of trouble defending my mormon friends on these threads. and to find a mormon group that has adopted these doctrines just blew my mind. in a good way of course.lol! thank you so much for the info. but if you get the time and you want too look up something fun. just go to the letter of clement to the corinthians and you will find your screen name. i think its a very good one. peace be with you. :grouphug: