Is Mother Teresa "Not Saved" because she seemingly embraced other religions?

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What the Church teaches is more complex than that. What you have stated is what fundamentalists teach, not Catholics.

The Church considers all goodness and truth found in these religions as a preparation for the Gospel and given by him who enlightens all men that they may at length have life." (Catechism #843)

Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, as they know it through the dictates of their conscience-those too may achieve eternal salvation. (Catechism #847)

If you give the matter any intelligent thought, it becomes obvious how immoral and nonsensical the idea that people who lived before Christ or who are barred from receiving Christ are automatically condemned. The Church believes this is never what Scripture has taught.
The definitive word in the statement is MAY. That means it is possible. Not that it will surely happen, merely that it can happen under the right circumstances.

As to those who lived before Christ, the situation is different. Those who had lived virtuous lives went to the Limbo of the Just to which Jesus descended upon His death. Those that heeded His message were saved. We don’t know if all were or not. I would have to assume that some did not heed His message as did many who were alive during His life did not heed it…

I don’t believe that anyone is automatically condemned any more than I believe anyone is automatically saved. I do believe however that if one knows of Jesus Christ and has heard of who He is and makes a deliberate choice to reject Him, then I do believe that person is condemned. One who has NEVER heard is in a different situation entirely.

I believe that is properly stated what the Church teaches. The Church has never supported the theory of universal salvation.
 
Mother Teresa is a canonized saint. Canonized saints are in Heaven.
She isn’t canonized actually (yet!). But she is beatified, so she is Blessed Mother Theresa, not Saint Theresa. Though sainthood is coming her way quickly! She hasn’t been dead long enough to be declared a saint.
 
The definitive word in the statement is MAY. That means it is possible. Not that it will surely happen, merely that it can happen under the right circumstances.

As to those who lived before Christ, the situation is different. Those who had lived virtuous lives went to the Limbo of the Just to which Jesus descended upon His death. Those that heeded His message were saved. We don’t know if all were or not. I would have to assume that some did not heed His message as did many who were alive during His life did not heed it…

I don’t believe that anyone is automatically condemned any more than I believe anyone is automatically saved. I do believe however that if one knows of Jesus Christ and has heard of who He is and makes a deliberate choice to reject Him, then I do believe that person is condemned. One who has NEVER heard is in a different situation entirely.

I believe that is properly stated what the Church teaches. The Church has never supported the theory of universal salvation.
What is your point?

What in the world does this have to do with MT and her quote about making Hindus better Hindus, etc.?
 
What is your point?

What in the world does this have to do with MT and her quote about making Hindus better Hindus, etc.?
It has exactly as much or as little to do with it as does your statment below:

Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, as they know it through the dictates of their conscience-those too may achieve eternal salvation. (Catechism #847)

If you give the matter any intelligent thought, it becomes obvious how immoral and nonsensical the idea that people who lived before Christ or who are barred from receiving Christ are automatically condemned. The Church believes this is never what Scripture has taught.

I was merely answering your post. Thats all.
 
Former Southern Baptist here.

It really depends on which denomination you are talking to. Most the people in my SBC church all agreed that she was a wonderful example of a Christian and of course would have been considered “saved.”

Now, there are those who believe that to be saved you have to formally ask Jesus into your heart. I remember a revival preacher who came to our church and told us about a man who had started to come up during the part of the service known as the “invitational” but then did not. He talked to the man and the man said he would come to the evening service and be saved. That man died in a car accident that day and according to the preacher went to hell. The reasoning was that he could only be saved by going up during the invitational and formally accepting Jesus. In this case Mother Teresa would not be considered saved. Somebody who believes this most likely believes that all Catholics are not saved. I even had an old pastor scream me out in front of a congregation (different church than the one I posted about above) when I told him I was no longer attending because I was going to switch to Catholicism and told me that this meant I had never been saved because if I was I would not be making this decision.

The important thing to remember is that each denomination looks at it from a different perspective. Furthermore, as Catholics we do not believe in the concept of being "saved’ the same way they do so for us it’s a moot point and one not worth debating with the person since either way it is not consistent with our beliefs.
 
Of course not! Mother Theresa recognized that no matter what she did, she couldn’t make everyone in the world convert to Christianity. In light of that, of course she should call people of other religions to be the best people they can be. She didn’t say that Buddhism holds the same amount of Truth as Christianity, but no one can say that it holds no truth whatsoever. She is calling those people who will not convert to cling to the truth that their religions contain and be the best they can be.
Exactly, I don’t know of many people (including myself) who had more respect for other people’s faith’s than Mother Theresa did. We could all learn something from the way she cared for everyone. By doing this, she was respecting their beliefs and showing real love for her fellow human beings at the same time. As a result, I think that’s why so many people of different faiths respected and admired her so much. It’s probably also one of the main reasons that Mother Mary Nirmala Joshi became Catholic and joined the Missionaries of Charity, she saw something very special in Mother Thresa that changed her life and her beliefs.

Kathy
 
…Some really good points being made in this thread.

I’ve seen it mentioned several times in the thread about Mother Theresa and others "converting " people. While it is common for us to express that particular thought using similar language, it’s probably not the best choice of words; because the truth is that **only God converts people **- not us…not even Pope John Paul II or Pope Benedict XVI.

That being said, I believe Mother Theresa was a very powerful instrument in God’s hands for conversion of heart.
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If I remember jimmy Swaggert was the first one to say Mother was not saved. Hmmm.that should end the conversation. who would pay attention to what such a hypocritical,self- seeking, self absorbed, publicity seeking, self aggrandizing blow hard has to say?!🤷
 
…Some really good points being made in this thread.

I’ve seen it mentioned several times in the thread about Mother Theresa and others "converting " people. While it is common for us to express that particular thought using similar language, it’s probably not the best choice of words; because the truth is that **only God converts people **- not us…not even Pope John Paul II or Pope Benedict XVI.

That being said, I believe Mother Theresa was a very powerful instrument in God’s hands for conversion of heart.
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Hi Need Improvement 👋 – Very good point. Mother Theresa also refered to herself, if I can quote her correctly, as “A pencil in God’s Hand.”
 
Hi Need Improvement 👋 – Very good point. Mother Theresa also refered to herself, if I can quote her correctly, as “A pencil in God’s Hand.”
Hi :irish3: Irish Kathy.

If that is the case, then, what a beautiful “love letter” God wrote with that “pencil”.

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Hi :irish3: Irish Kathy.

If that is the case, then, what a beautiful “love letter” God wrote with that “pencil”.

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Hi Need Improvement 👋 – You are so, so right about that. Also, in the end, it occurs to me that she may have actually been a pen in God’s hand instead of a pencil, because so much of what she did has had such a lasting impact on everyone.

Kathy
 
There are several things that we have to understand here.
  1. We have to understand the teaching of the Church on other faiths. That is that all truth, no matter where it is found, remains truth and is revealed by God. Those who follow the truth that is available to them, will eventually end up finding Christ. This is very clear in John Paul II’s Ut Unum Sint.
  2. I do not know whether Mother was familiar with John Paul’s writing, but she certainly was familiar with the scripture and lived the faith at many levels. It would not be impossible for her to understand, even it by infusion of grace, that truth is found in many places. She would also understand that there is a difference between truth and the fullness of truth. She makes no statement about the fullness of truth.
Mother simply makes a statement that one must follow goodness where ever one finds it. Scripture tells us that goodness is Christ himself. Truth is Christ himself. Therefore, she is really encouraging her audience to follow Christ, even though all that can be found outside of the Church is his shadow, that is enough to begin the journey. I am reminded of the woman who touched his garment and believed it was enough to heal her and Mary, “Do whatever he tells you.”

Man has to begin his journey toward Christ somewhere. Where that is, we do not always know. As Fr. Benedict says, “God chooses to reveal himself on his own terms.” The Church believes this. However God chooses to reveal himself, all roads lead to Christ. Eventually, a good Muslim, Jew, Protestant, Hindu and so forth, will find their way home. Mother was very aware of this mysery. The important thing is to always choose the greater good as it becomes known.
  1. Finally, this has nothing to do with Mother’s statement. It is simply a clarification of something that has been said here and on other threads. Some people say “Mother is not canonized, she is JUST a blessed.”
Let us remember that there is no such thing as JUST a blessed. The Church only beaitfies someone after the study of their life and work is complete and found to be heroic and there is one proven miracle attributable to the intercession of that person. This is no small achievement. There is little doubt that the person is in heaven.

The second miracle is required to confirm what the Church already believes. But it can be dispensed with and the person can be declared a saint.

Bl. Mother Teresa is on the liturgical calendar of her diocese in Calcutta and that of her congregation. There are also parishes that have been named after her. In my own diocese we have two new parishes: Bl. Mother Teresa and the other is Bl. John XXIII. They have been canonically erected. This means that these parishes can include Mother Teresa and John XXIII in the Eucharistic Prayer during the liturgy.

The study and the miracles have been dispensed with on a number of occasions since the Church began formal canonizations in the 12th century. Shortly after, Pope Gregory IX dispensed with the entire process and canonized Francis of Assisi based on his personal knowledge of St. Francis. Pope Nicholas IV dispensed with the entire process and canonized Clare of Assisi, based on his knowledge of her, because Nicholas was a Secular Franciscan and knew Clare personally as she had been his spiritual director.

Let us be careful not to overstate or understate Beatification. The facts are the person has led a heroic life and there is no doubt on the part of the Church and at least one miracle can be attributed to the individual’s prayers, after death.

On the other hand, none of this is necessary for canonization, just the faith of the Pope.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
To: Angels Unaware, Adrianna Jean, Bear06, JReducation, etc.

Thanks for the great information in your posts. I appreciate your time. I’ve learned a lot about the Blessed Mother Teresa in the last couple of weeks. One thing being that while her physical life was the most simple, her words and spiritual message were equally as profound.

Thanks and God Bless,
Bryan in Dearborn, Mi
 
1 When Mother Theresa is Cannonized it will be an infallible statement that she is in heaven. She is not Cannonized yet, however she is well on her way and the Church is not in a hurry about these things even if we are. Also, there is no such thing as “dead long enough to be a saint” There is a protocol, but there is no 'magic number of years to wait… This is a little bigger than the basebal hall of fame.😉
2. Not everything Mother Theresa or any saint said is to be taken as Holy truth. She may have been right, she may have been wrong, perhaps it is a mistake to misunderstand her place as a tool of God’s hand. She, (I’m sure) would not expect or want her statement to reflect Dogma. It isn’t her place. It never was. To truley understand her beauty you have to understand what she did what her purpous was. I I’ll guarantee you it wasn’t to settle age old religious debates. It was to dignify the undignified.
I imagine Therresa, Augustine, and many other people in heaven are amused or even saddened by how we twist thier words to fit our beliefs all the while ignoring God’s word.
 
Another point I wish to make here is that the idea of her not being saved because of that belief and that statement is a misunderstanding of how one is “saved” She could be completely wrong in her statement and she still would be saved. All that matters is the state of her soul at death and her beliefs… She believed in Jesus and followed His teachings. Period. Gosh I hope to be a saint every post by me on these threads or every statement I ever make in life has to be exact Holy truth…:rolleyes: Imagine the sheer hoplessness of most of us if that was the case. though there are egos on these boards who wouldn’t be worried, though they should be.😃
 
Another point I wish to make here is that the idea of her not being saved because of that belief and that statement is a misunderstanding of how one is “saved” She could be completely wrong in her statement and she still would be saved. All that matters is the state of her soul at death and her beliefs… She believed in Jesus and followed His teachings. Period. Gosh I hope to be a saint every post by me on these threads or every statement I ever make in life has to be exact Holy truth…:rolleyes: Imagine the sheer hoplessness of most of us if that was the case. though there are egos on these boards who wouldn’t be worried, though they should be.😃
This is a great point to reflect upon when you hear this type of thinking from Protestants, because this is Protestant idea that you have think “correctly” about theology in order to be “saved”. The implication is that you are saved by your own mind and its ability to comprehend “truth”.

This type of theology is actually an insidious form of brain washing, because it leads people to fear thinking and the results of reasoning, for fear of being “lead astry by lies”.

The bottom line is a person’s will to be in obedience to Christ in all things, as understood by that person, and a person’s will to allow themselves to be transformed.
 
What Matt and Angels have said above is pretty much on the money. There is one thing that is left. During the process of studying the writings and teachings of a postulant for canonization, one thing that the Church looks for is that there is no statement contrary to the faith of the Church.

The person can make mistakes in expressing their faith, but cannot make statements contrary to the faith without retracting them in life.

In this case, it is safe to assume that Mother Teresa’s statement is not contrary to the faith of the Church.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
What Matt and Angels have said above is pretty much on the money. There is one thing that is left. During the process of studying the writings and teachings of a postulant for canonization, one thing that the Church looks for is that there is no statement contrary to the faith of the Church.

The person can make mistakes in expressing their faith, but cannot make statements contrary to the faith without retracting them in life.

In this case, it is safe to assume that Mother Teresa’s statement is not contrary to the faith of the Church.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
But what exactly is “contrary to the faith?” Many saints have talked of Limbo, which is not a teaching of the Church. many saint’s writings are not in line with Church teaching. One only has to go back to Augistine to find many wierd ideas. I think it depends on weather the person is deneying “pillars of the faith”… not theological speculation and opinions. Again she could be compelely wrong on her opinion on this issue and it would not affect her salvation. It is opinion and it doesn’t go against Dogma. But it can be wrong and mistaken. or it can be right. We could debate our role to evangelize ad nausium but the issue of the thread is is she “saved” whatever that means. While it may not be contrary to the faith it also may not be compatible.
 
I was also thinking about the OP and the protestant. The protestant is probably pointing out that they think that the Church would Cannonize based on works and not faith which to a protestant is everything. Works by themselves do not justify us but works + faith do. So it might be a good idea to find some of the many other quotes of Mother theresa about her Love of Jesus and her faith. Her God and her Saviour. Point out her sisters and thier prayer life, her strong relationship with her Spouse. She was closer to and had a better “personal relationship” with Jesus in the Eucharist than a protestant will ever have.
 
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