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tabycat
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How about metorids, comets, and other ‘space junk’ ? Are you a backer of the ‘Moon Hoax’ thoery? Because we have landed on both on the Moon, Mars, and Venus and at least one metoroid.
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Bill_Martin
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OP, ever do any land navigation with a map and compass? Try it sometime without accounting for the G-M angle and let us know how it works out.
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april32010
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you call it land navigation,i call it moral relativism .
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mlz
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Amen! Science will ultimately show the glory of God’s wonderful, magnificent creation
God will use all disciplines of this life to reveal Himself. Remember, the Bible is a book of faith, not science, however our Great God can work through all things as He is beyond our intellects or understanding. It really is a poor witness to those who are in science but lack faith when people of faith say things like the earth is flat…it really makes Christians look ignorant and we aren’t! The wonderful thing about the Catholic faith is that they have such a open view of science and as long as you let God be the Creator, how he created is to be observed and appreciated…Praise our Wonderful Lord! (do not fear ‘science’…God is the Lord of all disciplines of study Alleluia!)mlz
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HouseUponRock
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Whether or not your beliefs are right or wrong I think your wrong on this. It is not us individuals who interpret scripture but the Church.
I won’t “annoy” you with the science. (It does exist though - ask the guys who went to the Moon.) I have several questions you might want to answer and which I think you should consider:
*]Why do you think science is the work of the Evil One?
*]If you think science is the work of the Evil One why does the Vatican have a science academy and priests who are scientists?
*]Why do you think that science and the Church are two irreconcilable things?
I hope these questions can, at least, give you another perspective to think about.
I don’t believe humans have gotten to the Second Heaven, nor will they ever. Closest we got was Tower of Babel, and look what happened. That is why I firmly believe “space exploration” is a fraud. Moon landing is a proven fraud by people who are even heliocentrists.- I don’t believe science is work of Satan. I believe science can be used to strengthen the faith. One of the reasons I came to Jesus is because of creation science. However, most “science” today is biased and purposely twisted. Instead of using science to compliment the Scriptures, most scientists are atheistic or pharisaic and try to undermine not just Scriptures, but Christianity in general. Modern 15 billion year Big Bang model actually has Kabbalistic origins, or Synagogue of Satan spoken of in Revelation.
- The Church is prone to errors, and it can be clearly seen throughout history. It does not diminish its infallibility one bit, though.
- Like I said before, creation science is what led me to take my faith seriously. Science is one of the best tools for evangelization. Unfortunately, many try to use anti-Christian science, but it only hurts the faith in the long run. People will not take Christianity seriously if they believe we live in one of the billions of rocks orbiting one of the trillions of stars in one of the billions of galaxies. It is simply unreconcillible with our faith and there is no reason to defend it. Instead, we should defend geocentrism (or flat earth, in my case) and creation ex-nihilo like the Church did for past 2000 years.
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HouseUponRock
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I agree with this statement. The role of Earth in the universe is not just a scientific matter, but a theological one too.
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Sarcelle
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Hmm, I wonder how satellite orbits can be explained using the flat earth model.
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HouseUponRock
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Many satellites are fraud, although many are legit. That’s how we get weather predictions (many times they are inaccurate because science is not the only determining factor). My answer to that is instead of going around the Earth, it goes across it, just like Sun, Moon, and Stars do, although staying within the range of First Heaven, or sky.
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HouseUponRock
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“It is written, ‘And the intelligent shall shine like the brightness of the firmament, and they that turn many to righteousness like the stars for ever and ever (Daniel 12:3).’ There was indeed a ‘brightness’ (Zohar). The Most Mysterious struck its void, and caused this point to shine. This ‘beginning’ then extended, and made for itself a palace for its honor and glory. There it sowed a sacred seed which was to generate for the benefit of the universe, and to which may be applied the Scriptural words ‘the holy seed is the stock thereof’ (Isaiah 6:13). Again there was Zohar, in that it sowed a seed for its glory, just as the silkworm encloses itself, as it were, in a palace of its own production which is both useful and beautiful. Thus by means of this ‘beginning’ the Mysterious Unknown made this palace. This palace is called Elohim, and this doctrine is contained in the words, ‘By means of a beginning IT created Elohim.’” (Zohar I:15a)*
This is a quote from Zohar written centuries before Copernicus, let alone Big Bang. As we can see, Synagogue of Satan is doing its job in advancing lies. “Satan is the father of all lies” as Jesus said, and Synagogue of Satan is spreading just that. People like Einstein were Kabbalists, and even Isaac Newton dwelt into that area, he was a nontrinitarian.
This is a quote from Zohar written centuries before Copernicus, let alone Big Bang. As we can see, Synagogue of Satan is doing its job in advancing lies. “Satan is the father of all lies” as Jesus said, and Synagogue of Satan is spreading just that. People like Einstein were Kabbalists, and even Isaac Newton dwelt into that area, he was a nontrinitarian.
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Cristiano
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The more I read your comments the more I get the impression that you choose to reject some of the seven gifts of the Holy Spirit. That is not a good Catholic behavior.
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HouseUponRock
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Unfortunately, I am a very sinful person.
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samiam1611
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HouseUponRock,
Have you ever played around with Google Earth? I suggest you do. Here is the link:
google.com/earth/index.html
Click the blue button that says “Download Google Earth.”
With Google Earth, you can type in your address. Your house will be shown as if you were looking down from above it. Then you can zoom out, slowly, and see your neighborhood, your city, your state, your country, come into view. Zoom out some more and you can see the whole globe. Fool around with it, try zooming in and out.
If that doesn’t convince you, you are hopeless.
Have you ever played around with Google Earth? I suggest you do. Here is the link:
google.com/earth/index.html
Click the blue button that says “Download Google Earth.”
With Google Earth, you can type in your address. Your house will be shown as if you were looking down from above it. Then you can zoom out, slowly, and see your neighborhood, your city, your state, your country, come into view. Zoom out some more and you can see the whole globe. Fool around with it, try zooming in and out.
If that doesn’t convince you, you are hopeless.
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Lochias
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Gently, I say: That’s no excuse. Jesus told the woman who was to be stoned to “Go and sin no more.” Do your best, don’t expect overnight change, but realize that you must work towards that change and that it takes effort every day.Unfortunately, I am a very sinful person.
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HouseUponRock
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I tell that myself every day. Maybe it’s because I rarely confess and take Eucharist that I have so much trouble overcoming.
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MilesVitae
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(If you are indeed a legit poster, and not merely a troll):
The above fear is obviously ill-grounded, since most of the posters here are serious Christians who also believe in the model of the universe you criticize. We recognize that while a universe according to your model might emphasize all the more the truths which you believe modern science has undermined, there is in fact no dichotomy between those truths and the model of the universe put forth by modern science.
I think people are more likely not to take Christianity seriously if they believe that Christianity teaches flat-earth, heliocentrism and the like.
By the way, a number of objections to your position have been put forth which you have not responded to nor, at the very least, taken note of.
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Razanir
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So go to Mass more often! Just remember to go to Confession first, so you’ll be able to receive after having missed Mass so often
Heliocentrism is what the OP doesn’t believe. That the Sun is the center of the solar system. You meant geocentrism
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Vico
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Do you believe the Bedford Level Experiments proved something? Do you believe that there is no curvature of light near the surface of water due to refraction?
Note that lenses work through refraction.
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acarlson
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For whatever reason we have this belief that the world was thought to be flat before Columbus realized it wasn’t. As others had said, humans had known for a long time that the earth was round, based on sunsets, how ships would disappear on the horizon, etc.
To answer your question: it may not be heretical, but that does not mean that it’s educated. I’m not saying you’re not smart for thinking the earth is flat; I’m saying you should educate yourself better on the Church’s position on science.
To answer your question: it may not be heretical, but that does not mean that it’s educated. I’m not saying you’re not smart for thinking the earth is flat; I’m saying you should educate yourself better on the Church’s position on science.
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MilesVitae
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Thanks for catching that! I understood what his position was - it was just a typo on my part. I meant to say geocentrism.
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