Is not liking the reforms in the 1960s a valid reason to not go to mass?

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Okay… I guess I don’t entirely follow how your proximity to Latin Mass is relevant here. Are you implying that if Latin Mass is offered within reasonable driving distance, one should go to Latin Mass, even if Normal Sunday Mass is offered more near-by? Is Latin Mass superior to Normal Sunday Mass in some way?
 
Are you implying that if Latin Mass is offered within reasonable driving distance, one should go to Latin Mass, even if Normal Sunday Mass is offered more near-by? Is Latin Mass superior to Normal Sunday Mass in some way?
The opposite question is also interesting. If there’s an FSSP parish across the street from a person, should that person drive across town to attend a Normal Sunday Mass?
 
The opposite question is also interesting. If there’s an FSSP parish across the street from a person, should that person drive across town to attend a Normal Sunday Mass?
If Normal Sunday Mass is that person’s preferred liturgical style, then that person should attend the parish across town. If that person’s preferred liturgical style is Latin Mass, they should attend the parish across the street. And they can mix and match if they so wish. Both are just fine.
 
Yeah, it’s possible. I tend to think like Bear in this one; he just doesn’t feel like going and saying the rosary is an attempt at rationalization/quieting his conscience.
There’s no evidence to support this though, and a lot pointing the other way. You have to bring your own assumptions and largely discount what the OP wrote concerning the gentleman in order to reach such a conclusion.

We know that many Catholics have fallen away from weekly Mass attendance due to the reforms. This - on the facts - is clearly an example of that.
 
I feel like legally speaking in the Church that is the case, however I don’t know if in practice that is how it is perceived by people. And this goes both ways.
 
A lot of the older folks who fell away or were driven away when the reforms were imposed (and many, many silently just stopped going after trying to suffer though it…) are not “plugged in” and do not realize the Mass they loved so much is still available. Please do these folks a favor, look up the closest traditional Latin Mass, and give them the time and address.

As for those folks not going to the new Mass, who are we to judge? Those times that drove them away were very confusing. They were very much like the times described by St. Basil, when he said “the better laity shun the churches as schools of impiety” (letter 92):
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Who are we to judge this man based on one conversation. We cannot see into the heart of another. We do not know the entire story.
This man is in his 80s and may have no transport or be disabled and have other issues with mobility. It may be too much for his elderly wife to bring him to a Mass.

My suggestion would be to enquire as to if his wife would like help in A) taking him to a Latin Mass, or b) getting a priest to come visit him at home or c) whatever else may help their cause.
 
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She told me her husband is very devout and prays the Rosary daily but that he hasn’t been to mass besides weddings and things of that nature since the early 70s because he doesn’t like the new mass and the reforms and thinks mass should be said in Latin and just doesn’t go.
This man is in his 80s and may have no transport or be disabled and have other issues with mobility. It may be too much for his elderly wife to bring him to a Mass.
Obviously we can’t know his heart.

But he wasn’t an elderly man 40 years ago.
 
It sure is at my parish, which is run by Institute of Christ the King Sovereign Priest!
 
If this matter concerns you, I highly suggest you to read the Chinese Rites Controversy.


There is a chance that “touching the dragon” is only a tradition and is approved as civil practice, or just for tradition. You must be aware that the dragon doesn’t really give you any luck, but it is a symbol of luck in Chinese culture. That is why many Asian countries have pictures of dragons because it is considered a symbol of luck and fortune. There’s no religious attribute to it.
 
There are Masses currently said in the Extraordinary Form. I’m sure there are some in his area.
 
The FSSP parish in my city is not a normal “territorial” parish, it is a “personal” parish. There is no obligation for locals to belong there.
 
Judging by the precipitous drop off in weekly Mass attendance since the reforms, a lot of Catholics feel the same way - perhaps the proportional majority.
Have you ever been involved with an Evangelical Protestant church? If so, you would know that a large percentage of Evangelical Protestants are ex-Catholics. In the churches that we attended before converting to Catholicism, at least 25% of the attendees and members were ex-Catholics.

I doubt very much that these Christians left the Catholic Church after Vatican II because they missed the Latin Mass, and then started attending a Protestant Church where Latin is non-existent and any kind of liturgy is considered “Catholic” and “not in the Bible.”

Also, I think that many Catholics stopped attending Mass for the same reason many Protestants stopped attending church in the 1960s–they got caught up in the turmoil of the 1960s world; e.g., Viet Nam war, “Don’t Trust Anyone Over 30,” “Free Love,” the Cold War, the struggles for Civil Rights, rock music, rebellion, and drugs.

The 1960s were called “the Sick 60s” by many people, including my parents, who were appalled at how societal norms crumbled and were replaced with protests, violence, civil unrest, addictions, and disrespect for parents, country, church, and any kind of authority.

I think a lot of Christians fell away from their churches back then and have never come back. It’s hard to sit in a church that had rules like “No blacks, no slacks, no tracks” and “Women must wear head coverings,” while the rest of the country is burning bras, throwing molotov cocktails at cops, and “tuning in, turning on, and dropping out.”
 
I doubt very much that these Christians left the Catholic Church after Vatican II because they missed the Latin Mass, and then started attending a Protestant Church where Latin is non-existent and any kind of liturgy is considered “Catholic” and “not in the Bible.”

Also, I think that many Catholics stopped attending Mass for the same reason many Protestants stopped attending church in the 1960s–they got caught up in the turmoil of the 1960s world; e.g., Viet Nam war, “Don’t Trust Anyone Over 30,” “Free Love,” the Cold War, the struggles for Civil Rights, rock music, rebellion, and drugs.
Exactly. And the liturgical changes from Vatican II certainly don’t explain why Protestant churches have also seen a decline in attendance. The whole society and culture went through an upheaval, and it wasn’t caused by the Mass.
 
Thank God for that. People might start to get the wrong idea about the Creator who is goodness itself and loves us more than words could ever describe.
 
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It is valid if the Nivus Ordo causes harm to his soul. This is usually true when a person is used to the Traditional Latin Mass.
 
Have you ever been involved with an Evangelical Protestant church? If so, you would know that a large percentage of Evangelical Protestants are ex-Catholics. In the churches that we attended before converting to Catholicism, at least 25% of the attendees and members were ex-Catholics.

I doubt very much that these Christians left the Catholic Church after Vatican II because they missed the Latin Mass, and then started attending a Protestant Church where Latin is non-existent and any kind of liturgy is considered “Catholic” and “not in the Bible.”
No, I haven’t been involved with an Evangelical Protestant church, nor am I acquainted with any Catholics who switched to Protestantism because of V2 reforms. As for Catholics who stopped attending weekly Mass as a result of the same…? Innumerable.
 
Obviously we can’t know his heart.

But he wasn’t an elderly man 40 years ago.
Who is to know what his or her mobility was like when they were in their 40s. Or 30s considering that would be the era.

Whatever is going on, it sounds like those changes to the Mass affected this person deeply.
Reading through different topics on CAF, there are issues that affect people deeply to the point of making decisions on obedience to the Magisterium and the Pope.
Who are we to judge what is going on. We are not God.
It is for us to show charity and offer help where it might be needed.
 
It is valid if the Nivus Ordo causes harm to his soul. This is usually true when a person is used to the Traditional Latin Mass.
Please forgive me if I’m misinterpreting your post.

It sounds to me like you are saying that people who are used to the Traditional Latin Mass are harmed in their soul if/when they attend the Ordinary Form of the Mass.

Is that what you are saying?
 
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