Is Orthodox Christianity seen as a place where the Catholic & Protestant Churches could possibly reunite?

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prodromos said:
Because they are the ones who have made many adjustments away from the faith once held in common. I was reading a thread in Traditional Catholicism a few days ago and discovered that a Catholic priest can celebrate Mass several times a day at the same altar. I’ve also learned that a priest can celebrate a private mass on his own.

All these are huge changes.

In the Orthodox Church, a priest cannot serve more than one liturgy per day, neither can more than one liturgy be served on the same altar in one day. It is also not possible for a priest to serve the liturgy unless he is accompanied by at least one other person.
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Do they also give a tenth of their spices—mint, dill and cumin? (cf. Mt. 23:23)
 
Seraphim73 said:
Would you like to answer my question? 🙂
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Well the very fact that eastern churches in communion with rome exist and are allowed to carry on their tradditions while no catholic churches in communion with the orthodox exist could be an indication of which side is budging.
 
Tomdstone said:
I believe that the Catholic Church is willing to budge on the issue of whether or not it will allow Orthodox priests to wear beards. Previously, the Catholic papal legate Humbertus excommunicated Michael Cerularius in 1054, citing that he wore a beard (among other issues).
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This is a non issue, I’ve attended plenty of masses where catholic priests have beards.
 
Tomdstone said:
That has not been my experience. I spoke with a Romanian Orthodox priest and he said that I was welcome in his Church at any time.
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You might be welcome to the local level especially if you want to convert but even recently the Romanian patriarch was criticized by powerful factions within his church of being too friendly with catholics… When the two biggest orthodox churches have such a dim view of Catholicism all these joining together talks mean nothing.
 
boar2roar said:
Well the very fact that eastern churches in communion with rome exist and are allowed to carry on their tradditions while no catholic churches in communion with the orthodox exist could be an indication of which side is budging.
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Ok so still no answer? What are you willing to budge on? Would you remove the fillioque? Repudiate Papal Infallibility? Admit the Bishop of Rome has no jurisdictional authority in other Churches?
 
Seraphim73 said:
Ok so still no answer? What are you willing to budge on? Would you remove the fillioque? Repudiate Papal Infallibility? Admit the Bishop of Rome has no jurisdictional authority in other Churches?
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Seraphim-

I really hadn’t planned on commenting on the Orthodox threads for awhile, but your post requires a response. Three points:

The formulation of the Holy Spirit proceeding from the Father through the Son was known prior to 1054. Therefore, this is not something that Catholics have to budge on.

The seeds of papal infallibility were planted first in scripture and later watered in the writings of the Church Fathers. I suspect that the books you read don’t mention this, but I have shown just a few of many passages that support the infallibility of the pope. I do not think that Catholics will need to budge on the development of a doctrine that was planted before 1054.

I have posted multiple quotes from the Fathers regarding the universal jurisdiction of the pope prior to 1054. The thread is there for your review, and trust me when I say that I could post SO many more passages that prove this beyond a shadow of a doubt. Just read St. Leo to see this, for example. So, all that Catholics will have to do is to explain it to those who are ignorant of this ancient authority.
 
Seraphim73 said:
Admit the Bishop of Rome has no jurisdictional authority in other Churches?
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Why are the orthodox so scared of having a united church? Is it such a necessity that countries have to be the end all be all of church organization? I’m not sure if the divided model that you guys have is better. Its causing a mess in Ukraine with 3 groups competing not because of doctrine but this political stuff. You have competing orthodox churches in Moldova Montenegro. I’m not saying catholics are perfect in this regard but I couldn’t imagine all the problems this orthdox style would cause to our church.
 
prodromos said:
Because they are the ones who have made many adjustments away from the faith once held in common. I was reading a thread in Traditional Catholicism a few days ago and discovered that a Catholic priest can celebrate Mass several times a day at the same altar. I’ve also learned that a priest can celebrate a private mass on his own.

All these are huge changes.

In the Orthodox Church, a priest cannot serve more than one liturgy per day, neither can more than one liturgy be served on the same altar in one day. It is also not possible for a priest to serve the liturgy unless he is accompanied by at least one other person.
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Can you explain to me why celebrating mass several times a day is bad? I’ve often heard this criticism against the CC but I have not heard the reasoning behind
 
Sooooo, you are not willing to budge. So can we finally dispense with the silly idea that the reason we can’t have reunion is because the Orthodox are prideful and refuse to budge?
 
Seraphim73 said:
Sooooo, you are not willing to budge. So can we finally dispense with the silly idea that the reason we can’t have reunion is because the Orthodox are prideful and refuse to budge?
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The CC has not only budged but has reached out completely to the EOs, who are welcome to communion in all Catholic churches with no reservations, no conditions.
 
Seraphim73 said:
Sooooo, you are not willing to budge. So can we finally dispense with the silly idea that the reason we can’t have reunion is because the Orthodox are prideful and refuse to budge?
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You want to hold fast to the faith of the Church prior to 1054, correct?

Okay, I’ve proven (in multiple threads) that the very things you claim Catholics need to budge on WERE actually held by the “whole church” before that time…either completely (as in the case of universal jurisdiction) or in embryonic form (ie, papal infallibility). Your acceptance of those things would actually bring about a return to the understanding of the Papacy of the first millennium.

Beyond these, what more actually separates us? 🤷
 
Jon_Mallory said:
Can you explain to me why celebrating mass several times a day is bad? I’ve often heard this criticism against the CC but I have not heard the reasoning behind
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IIUC, prior to V2, Catholic Mass was said only in the morning because of the requirement of fasting from the prior midnight. Might this be a similar issue on the EO side?

ICXC NIKA.
 
Randy_Carson said:
You want to hold fast to the faith of the Church prior to 1054, correct?

Okay, I’ve proven (in multiple threads) that the very things you claim Catholics need to budge on WERE actually held by the “whole church” before that time…either completely (as in the case of universal jurisdiction) or in embryonic form (ie, papal infallibility). Your acceptance of those things would actually bring about a return to the understanding of the Papacy of the first millennium.

Beyond these, what more actually separates us? 🤷
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Randy you’ve proven nothing. 😉
 
dvdjs said:
The CC has not only budged but has reached out completely to the EOs, who are welcome to communion in all Catholic churches with no reservations, no conditions.
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And you are welcome to communion with us as soon as you share our faith.
 
Tomdstone said:
I believe that the Catholic Church is willing to budge on the issue of whether or not it will allow Orthodox priests to wear beards. Previously, the Catholic papal legate Humbertus excommunicated Michael Cerularius in 1054, citing that he wore a beard (among other issues).
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:eek: Never ceases to amaze what some imagine to have been among the charges against Cerularius in Cardinal Humbertus’s bull of excommunication.
 
Seraphim73 said:
Sooooo, you are not willing to budge. So can we finally dispense with the silly idea that the reason we can’t have reunion is because the Orthodox are prideful and refuse to budge?
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Why isn’t the Ukrainian orthodox church under the patriarch of Kiev in union with the orthodox churches? There are a lot of reasons for disunion and the Orthodox at best are just as responsible.
 
Seraphim73 said:
And you are welcome to communion with us as soon as you share our faith.
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It is merely a matter of recognizing, with the CC and the many in the EOC who allow intercommunion, that, by any reasonable standard, we already do.
 
Seraphim73 said:
Randy you’ve proven nothing. 😉
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Others have.

**Basil Moustakis, Greek Orthodox Theologian **

“The Primacy of the Bishop of Rome is an indisputable historical fact. No scientific or ecclesiastical value can be attaced to the attempts of the anti-papal critics to cast doubt upon this evident truth…Hence primacy as such should not be looked upon as an obstacle to reunion.”" (Basil Moustakis, Vers l’Unite Chretienne, April 1960).
 
prodromos said:
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… In the Orthodox Church, a priest cannot serve more than one liturgy per day, neither can more than one liturgy be served on the same altar in one day…
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Are there canons that you can quote for these rules from ancient times? Are these canons from Ecumenical councils? Are there rulings from local synods - which, of course, would apply only to their particular churches? Are these rules, even then, not applied with economia when that seems fitting to the hieracrh?
 
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