Is Orthodoxy considered Catholicism?

[Crackerjake]

I was under the impression it was, but from what I’ve been hearing and reading, a lot of people in the Orthodox and Roman Catholic churches alike tend to separate Orthodoxy from the Catholic church. Is this really the case?

 

[Phillip_Rolfes]

I was under the impression it was, but from what I’ve been hearing and reading, a lot of people in the Orthodox and Roman Catholic churches alike tend to separate Orthodoxy from the Catholic church. Is this really the case?

While the Orthodox and Catholic Churches do both possess the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Faith, sadly the “two” Churches are not in communion with one another. That being said, however, the faith of the Catholic Church is every bit as “orthodox” as that of the Orthodox Church is “catholic”.

 

[mswood]

Also the Eastern rite churches that are in communion with Rome are Catholic.

 

[Phillip_Rolfes]

Also the Eastern rite churches that are in communion with Rome are Catholic.

But not “Roman Catholic”. Our traditions, theology, discipline, spirituality, etc. all ought to be respected by Roman Catholics (and vice versa).

 

[mswood]

But not “Roman Catholic”. Our traditions, theology, discipline, spirituality, etc. all ought to be respected by Roman Catholics (and vice versa).

Actually I am not any more or less “Roman Catholic” then someone that is part of the Eastern Rite. I am a Latin Rite Catholic in communion with Rome, so the Eastern Rite Catholic in communion with Rome is just as “Roman Catholic” as I am. I do respect all Rites within the Catholic church.

Personally I hate the term Roman Catholic, it was a term that was thought up by groups outside of the Catholic church and was meant to be derogatory. I know many Catholics no longer see this as derogatory, but I personally don’t like being referred to as Roman Catholic, since as I pointed out those in the Eastern Rite are just as “Roman Catholic” as the Latin Rite Catholics and by referring to me as “Roman Catholic” and the Eastern RIte as “Orthodox Catholic” it gives the allusion that we are not all part of the same Catholic church in communion with Rome.

 

[angelic06]

Actually I am not any more or less “Roman Catholic” then someone that is part of the Eastern Rite. I am a Latin Rite Catholic in communion with Rome, so the Eastern Rite Catholic in communion with Rome is just as “Roman Catholic” as I am. I do respect all Rites within the Catholic church.

Personally I hate the term Roman Catholic, it was a term that was thought up by groups outside of the Catholic church and was meant to be derogatory. I know many Catholics no longer see this as derogatory, but I personally don’t like being referred to as Roman Catholic, since as I pointed out those in the Eastern Rite are just as “Roman Catholic” as the Latin Rite Catholics and by referring to me as “Roman Catholic” and the Eastern RIte as “Orthodox Catholic” it gives the allusion that we are not all part of the same Catholic church in communion with Rome.

What Mr. Rolfes is saying is that “Roman” Catholic is the title referring specifically for those Catholics of the Latin Church, not the Eastern Catholic Churches (Byzantine, Maronite, etc.).

Both Roman Catholics and Eastern Catholics are together (and equal) parts of the Catholic Church, which we believe is headed by Jesus Christ and vicariously currently through HH Pope Benedict XVI. But we Latins are also under the pope not only as pope but as patriarch as well, just like the pope also heads the Archdiocese of Rome, whereas Eastern Catholics have patriarchs, major archbishops, etc.

Eastern Orthodox are not referred in Catholic canon law as “Catholic”, just like we Catholics are not referred by the EO as “orthodox”, though we claim our Catholic Church to have orthodox (true) faith and they claim the Orthodox Church to be “catholic”.

 

[Montalo]

What Mr. Rolfes is saying is that “Roman” Catholic is the title referring specifically for those Catholics of the Latin Church, not the Eastern Catholic Churches (Byzantine, Maronite, etc.).

Both Roman Catholics and Eastern Catholics are together (and equal) parts of the Catholic Church, which we believe is headed by Jesus Christ and vicariously currently through HH Pope Benedict XVI. But we Latins are also under the pope not only as pope but as patriarch as well, just like the pope also heads the Archdiocese of Rome.

it is only the Diocese of Rome, not the archdiocese

 

[Phillip_Rolfes]

Actually I am not any more or less “Roman Catholic” then someone that is part of the Eastern Rite. I am a Latin Rite Catholic in communion with Rome, so the Eastern Rite Catholic in communion with Rome is just as “Roman Catholic” as I am. I do respect all Rites within the Catholic church.

Personally I hate the term Roman Catholic, it was a term that was thought up by groups outside of the Catholic church and was meant to be derogatory. I know many Catholics no longer see this as derogatory, but I personally don’t like being referred to as Roman Catholic, since as I pointed out those in the Eastern Rite are just as “Roman Catholic” as the Latin Rite Catholics and by referring to me as “Roman Catholic” and the Eastern RIte as “Orthodox Catholic” it gives the allusion that we are not all part of the same Catholic church in communion with Rome.

I can appreciate that. My only point was that Eastern and Oriental Catholic follow a line of theological thinking that is quite often VERY different from that of Latin Catholics. For example, Eastern Catholics, while we may respect the theology of St. Thomas Aquinas, do not follow Thomistic theology at all. We, traditionally, look to such sources as Sts. John Chrysostom, Basil the Great, and Gregory the Theologian.

Actually, the Melkite Greek Catholics (as well as the Antiochian Orthodox prior to the split in the Antiochian Greek Church in 1724) were called “Roum Catolique” (i.e. Roman Catholic) by their fellow Arabs, not to denote their communion with the Bishop of Rome, but to denote their allegiance to the Roman (or Byzantine) Emperor.

 

[angelic06]

I stand corrected.

 

[Phillip_Rolfes]

What Mr. Rolfes is saying is that “Roman” Catholic is the title referring specifically for those Catholics of the Latin Church, not the Eastern Catholic Churches (Byzantine, Maronite, etc.).

Both Roman Catholics and Eastern Catholics are together (and equal) parts of the Catholic Church, which we believe is headed by Jesus Christ and vicariously currently through HH Pope Benedict XVI. But we Latins are also under the pope not only as pope but as patriarch as well, just like the pope also heads the Archdiocese of Rome, whereas Eastern Catholics have patriarchs, major archbishops, etc.

Eastern Orthodox are not referred in Catholic canon law as “Catholic”, just like we Catholics are not referred by the EO as “orthodox”, though we claim our Catholic Church to have orthodox (true) faith and they claim the Orthodox Church to be “catholic”.

Thank you.

 

[Formosus]

Not to derail this post, but the Diocese of Rome has suffragan dioceses In a sense, Rome is an metropolitan archdiocese in all but name.

 

[RyanBlack]

Actually I am not any more or less “Roman Catholic” then someone that is part of the Eastern Rite. I am a Latin Rite Catholic in communion with Rome, so the Eastern Rite Catholic in communion with Rome is just as “Roman Catholic” as I am. I do respect all Rites within the Catholic church.

Personally I hate the term Roman Catholic, it was a term that was thought up by groups outside of the Catholic church and was meant to be derogatory. I know many Catholics no longer see this as derogatory, but I personally don’t like being referred to as Roman Catholic, since as I pointed out those in the Eastern Rite are just as “Roman Catholic” as the Latin Rite Catholics and by referring to me as “Roman Catholic” and the Eastern RIte as “Orthodox Catholic” it gives the allusion that we are not all part of the same Catholic church in communion with Rome.

Eastern Catholic Christians are not Roman Catholics of the Eastern Rite, as we often were called in the past, and sometimes still are. We are not members of Rites, we are members of Churches. Our various Churches are indeed in communion with the Roman Catholic Church, bet we are not Roman Catholic.

 

[Wesley7]

Is Orthodoxy considered Catholicism?

Based on what I understand and what I’ve learned Eastern Orthodoxy] has always distinguished itself from what is traditionally known as the RCC. I’ve read that the Orthodox don’t subscribe to the concept of the Pope as in Catholicism] Also, the theology,spirituality,and ethos can be described as different. Even if I consider myself ‘Orthodox Christian’ I still can learn about the Catholic faith and attend the Mass approved by Pope Benedict XVI. Is that even relevant in North America? There is lots of room to make your own decisions and reach conclusions that lead to faith in Jesus Christ and the Holy Trinity.Christianity] For Orthodox Christians, essentially its a question of ‘what makes us different?’ . . .

 

[Nine_Two]

Personally I hate the term Roman Catholic, it was a term that was thought up by groups outside of the Catholic church and was meant to be derogatory. I know many Catholics no longer see this as derogatory, but I personally don’t like being referred to as Roman Catholic, since as I pointed out those in the Eastern Rite are just as “Roman Catholic” as the Latin Rite Catholics and by referring to me as “Roman Catholic” and the Eastern RIte as “Orthodox Catholic” it gives the allusion that we are not all part of the same Catholic church in communion with Rome.

So was the term “Christian”

The fact is even the Catholic Church has called itself the “Roman Church” in documents as old as Trent.

 

[kitkatty]

Alright then, lets just say that the only Roman Catholics are those in the Latin diocese of Rome, and the rest of us are Catholics of our particular church`s, Latin,Maronite, Byzantine,etc.

 

[Aramis]

Actually I am not any more or less “Roman Catholic” then someone that is part of the Eastern Rite. I am a Latin Rite Catholic in communion with Rome, so the Eastern Rite Catholic in communion with Rome is just as “Roman Catholic” as I am. I do respect all Rites within the Catholic church.

Personally I hate the term Roman Catholic, it was a term that was thought up by groups outside of the Catholic church and was meant to be derogatory. I know many Catholics no longer see this as derogatory, but I personally don’t like being referred to as Roman Catholic, since as I pointed out those in the Eastern Rite are just as “Roman Catholic” as the Latin Rite Catholics and by referring to me as “Roman Catholic” and the Eastern RIte as “Orthodox Catholic” it gives the allusion that we are not all part of the same Catholic church in communion with Rome.

WRONG. OFFENSIVELY WRONG. So laden with bad history, and a genuine movement in the 18th and 19th centuries that genuinely attempted to latinize the unia out of existence…

Roman Catholics are members of the Roman Church Sui Iuris. ONLY them.

The rest of us are not “Roman Catholics”. Some have never been Roman Catholics.

The term Roum in Arabic refers more to the Byzantine empire than the western roman empire. And postdates the fall of the western Roman Empire, and predates the Melkite union…

 

[angelic06]

Alright then, lets just say that the only Roman Catholics are those in the Latin diocese of Rome, and the rest of us are Catholics of our particular church`s, Latin,Maronite, Byzantine,etc.

Well…if I go around calling myself a Latin Catholic, people may look at my funny, since from their (misinformed) point of view, Latin as a liturgical language was done away with at Vatican II. So, I have to upsurp the “Roman” Catholic title for myself.