Is OSAS losing popularity?

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I have nothing but my personal observation on this matter, but do less and less Christian groups seem to subscribe to OSAS (once save, always saved)?? It seems tough to quantify without a big study, but what do you think?
 
MarcoPolo said:
I have nothing but my personal observation on this matter, but do less and less Christian groups seem to subscribe to OSAS (once save, always saved)?? It seems tough to quantify without a big study, but what do you think?
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🤷 I never thought it was that popular to begin with.
 
MarcoPolo said:
I have nothing but my personal observation on this matter, but do less and less Christian groups seem to subscribe to OSAS (once save, always saved)?? It seems tough to quantify without a big study, but what do you think?
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Only Calvinist Orthodoxy has ever taught OSAS, so it hasn’t been anywhere NEAR widespread…
 
LutheranDK said:
Only Calvinist Orthodoxy has ever taught OSAS, so it hasn’t been anywhere NEAR widespread…
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I think a lot of non denoms or fundamentalists did too, no? I know preachers like Michael Youssef have espoused OSAS and he is the founder of “The Church of the Apostles”.
 
MarcoPolo said:
I think a lot of non denoms or fundamentalists did too, no? I know preachers like Michael Youssef have espoused OSAS and he is the founder of “The Church of the Apostles”.
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Hmmm… I just want to make sure what we’re talking about 🙂

OSAS, means that once you accept Christ you are not only saved, but it is impossible to fall from the faith again.

This view should NOT be confused with the mainstream protestant view that when you accept Christ, you are saved, but CAN fall from the faith (and therefore: Lose salvation) later.

And as far as I know, the only group that teaches the former is calvinist orthodoxy…I could be wrong though
 
in a general sense, Non-denominational churches have no stance on OSAS either way. You will occasionally find OSAS non-denominational people, but that is because there is no stance on it in the first place. IF the pastor is OSAS or the majority of the congregation happen to be OSAS then you will hear of it mentioned more in that particular church. Churches I have been a member of that were non(or inter) denominational did not define that part of teaching and rarely brought up the subject of “the possibly of losing ones salvation” and when they did there was often interesting conversations and friendly debate on it. OSASers were always outnumbered.
 
I think that the view, at least amongst Catholics, that OSAS was so popular is because these people tended to be the loudest and most likely anti-Catholic. The denominations that did not buy into it were the ones that either were not the most vocal or not as anti-Catholic, so we did not run into them as much.
 
Syele said:
OSASers were always outnumbered.
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Maybe it’s just always been that way, but it seems to me there are less voices today than there were say 5 years ago. According to my anecdotal personal experience. 😃
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OSAS, means that once you accept Christ you are not only saved, but it is impossible to fall from the faith again.
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Correct. It usually hinges on the absolutization of a part of a single verse, like John 10:28.
ralphinal said:
The denominations that did not buy into it were the ones that either were not the most vocal or not as anti-Catholic, so we did not run into them as much.
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That could be.
 
MarcoPolo said:
I have nothing but my personal observation on this matter, but do less and less Christian groups seem to subscribe to OSAS (once save, always saved)?? It seems tough to quantify without a big study, but what do you think?
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Oh, thank you! Finally I found out what this “OSAS” means, which I see all over the forum! 🙂
 
People are drawn, through human nature, to teachings that fit their lifestyles. We should be seeking God and willing to change our lifestyles. Once saved always saved has an appeal to people who desire their lifestyles more than God. In order to think of themselves as already good and want to avoid changes in their lifestyles, OSAS appealed to them.

I think one reason OSAS has dwindled is because the defense of it makes no sense to most people. When asked why people who were “saved” could sin again, the common reply was they were never saved to begin with. This took away from the surety of those who followed this belief. If someone could have thought of themselves as saved were not really saved to begin with, people had to question if they, themselves, were really saved in the eyes of God.

Just my thoughts on the subject.

May the peace of the Lord be with you.
Prodigal Son1
 
Prodigal_Son1 said:
People are drawn, through human nature, to teachings that fit their lifestyles. We should be seeking God and willing to change our lifestyles. Once saved always saved has an appeal to people who desire their lifestyles more than God. In order to think of themselves as already good and want to avoid changes in their lifestyles, OSAS appealed to them.
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I disagree. I know a few people who do believe OSAS, some are in my own family. They are not less obedient to God, In fact, I think they are often MORE obedient. It promotes a view of God that He is more sovereign, more in control of them. It leaves God in so complete a control that they have no real choices. It takes a lot of faith to believe that.

OSAS is usually coupled with a belief in total Depravity (Humans cant do anything on their own, choices are not theirs to make) and Unconditional Election (God chose who is saved, not them), Irresistible Grace (You cant prevent God from doing His will). It doesn’t make them want to do whatever they want, it makes them want to show they really were chosen by God by showing the Fruit of the Spirit in their lives. Cause if they don’t then they probably aren’t really saved! No one wants to think that they are not one of God’s Chosen people.

I think the reason it’s not more popular is that people have a hard time digesting the idea that they were made in the image of God, yet are not capable of choosing anything… even their own religion. I know I can’t accept it because I can’t accept the idea that God might not have “chosen” me and no matter how badly I want to be His child, no matter how much I repent, call out to Him, obey Him, Love Him, that it could all be in vain cause Unconditional Election is UNCONDITIONAL… If it is true, then I can’t see how that is LOVE. They tell me “But God is sovereign, and if He didn’t choose you, you should be happy you were allowed to live and worship Him at all.” I can’t buy that. If they are right, I’d rather be delusional my whole life and believe that God cares about my fate. I even had a friend who believes OSAS try to commit suicide cause they concluded that God hadn’t chosen them, after all sin still happened with God in total control! That isn’t the mark of people who say a prayer and then don’t care if they sin. It’s a mark of people desperate for God in their lives.
 
I was a Southern Baptist for many years before I became Catholic 2 years ago. As far as I can remember, every Southern Baptist Church I attended preached once saved always saved from the pulpit. No other theology was even considered. If you were “saved” then you were “saved” forever.
 
woodyww said:
I was a Southern Baptist for many years before I became Catholic 2 years ago. As far as I can remember, every Southern Baptist Church I attended preached once saved always saved from the pulpit. No other theology was even considered. If you were “saved” then you were “saved” forever.
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Southern Bapists are Calvinists.
 
LutheranDK said:
Sounthern Baptists may have their roots in calvinism, but southern baptists are not calvinists.
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Ok I will rephrase… All the southern Baptists I know are Calvinists and the Southern Baptist Church I attended taught the 5 points of Calvinism.
 
Syele said:
Ok I will rephrase… All the southern Baptists I know are Calvinists and the Southern Baptist Church I attended taught the 5 points of Calvinism.
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Really? Double predestination, OSAS, etc?
Wow… Then I’m not sure of the term “baptist” is the right term to use…

But hey - at least on this point I stand corrected 🙂
 
LutheranDK said:
Really? Double predestination, OSAS, etc?
Wow… Then I’m not sure of the term “baptist” is the right term to use…

But hey - at least on this point I stand corrected 🙂
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yes all of it. as I said one person was trying to commit suicide for not being one of Gods Chosen people!

Really, I don’t buy it being possible to believe in “non-double” predestination. It doesn’t even make any sense. But I suppose that would be a topic of another thread.
 
Syele said:
yes all of it. as I said one person was trying to commit suicide for not being one of Gods Chosen people!

Really, I don’t buy it being possible to believe in “non-double” predestination. It doesn’t even make any sense. But I suppose that would be a topic of another thread.
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It most certainly DOES make sense. Besides: double-predestination leaves a rather large teodice-problem…
But as you said - subject for another thread 🙂
 
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