Is our Brain Pre-Wired to Believe in G-d?

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I really should check in every now and then on several of my earlier posts. Reading through some of the comments on this thread, I see the topic has begun to take on a life of its own!

My own view is that we may very well be pre-wired to believe in G-d or some spiritual force or forces beyond our own power and control. I think this belief is part of our psyche.
 
I really should check in every now and then on several of my earlier posts. Reading through some of the comments on this thread, I see the topic has begun to take on a life of its own!
It has. I started another thread a few days ago, much like this one, titled “Neurotheology.” I was hoping for someone to post a few links that will refute the theory of the “God Gene” and refute that spirituality is a product of the mind. Does anyone here on this thread have any such links I could read? I’m not having any luck finding them on my own. :o
 
I believe we are part of an evolutionary process that did not have us ‘‘in mind’’.

That in no way diminishes our value or sense of self worth. To do so, would be to fly in the face of evolution!
Sarah, how can you know that we have a value or a sense of self worth?

If you embrace Darwinism to explain the nature of living organisms, including their sense of personal value or sense of self worth, I would presume you choose to do so without having recourse to a supernatural explanation. If Darwinism is true, natural selection formed the traits of all living creatures – as in this view, characteristics are preserved if they provide a competitive advantage in surviving to reach reproductive maturity, and in having access to mates for reproduction.

Even if genetic mutations provide new and novel traits (without killing the mutant as a birth defect), fitness will be the sole determinant if those new traits are perpetuated within the gene pool.

Cognitive faculties, thus, are also the result of natural selection, including our neurophysiology and brain chemistry. Fitness was the sole determinant of the viability of those faculties, so the ability to recognize the objective truth (if such a value judgement can be said to exist in such a formulation) was not necessary. If the brain and “consciousness” / cognitive apparatus enables the organism to stay alive, the beliefs need not be true or even reasonable. Thus, there is no necessary connection between the cognitive system’s ability to improve survival, and the truth of the beliefs it produces. (A variation of this argument is often used by atheists to argue that religion is commonplace in humans because it provides – or, they say, once provided – an evolutionary advantage, despite the supposed falsity of religious belief.)

So, is the truthfulness of a proposition connected to its improvement in our evolutionary fitness? Clearly, no. Geocentrism is false but provided great practicality to sailors, farmers, etc., as it made it easier to predict sunrise, sunset, the change of the seasons, etc.

If I have the mistaken belief that the federal government will arrest everyone who has credit card debt, I cut up all my credit cards, pay off all my debt, and live with cash. I now have the peace of mind of not having to worry about being arrested, and I am able to accelerate my mortgage payments. My false belief thus improves my life.

Or perhaps I hold the wholly unfounded belief that my devastating good looks make me irresistible to women, and that encourages me to approach more women, thus increasing my evolutionary fitness and chances of reproduction. A false belief (trust me) but one which can improve my evolutionary fitness.

So, the practicality of a belief does not imply its truth. The practicality of an entire cognitive system does not guarantee that it is aimed at forming true beliefs.

So based on this argument (originally formulated by the philosopher Alvin Plantinga, who explored it at some length) if Naturalism is true, then we have no reason to be confident that any of our beliefs are actually true – including our belief in the truth of naturalism. If naturalism is true, we have no reason to believe it is true. It is, at best, a mere opinion.

Plantinga contrasts this with Theism, which offers assurance that there is an objective Truth, and that God created and ordered our minds to form true beliefs. This provides adequate grounds for believing that thought reflects reality.

To call a cognitive system “reliable” presupposes that there is a purpose or goal at which our rational faculties aim, namely, the acquisition of truth. We consider our cognitive systems as reliable if they produce a preponderance of true beliefs. By saying this, we recognize that our cognitive systems have a function, namely the production of true beliefs.

If we say the cognitive system has a function, that suggests it was designed. Plantinga: “Human beings and their organs are so constructed that there is a way they should work, a way they are supposed to work, a way they work when they work right,” in other words, a design plan.

I’m just sayin’.
 
Clearly, no. Geocentrism is false but provided great practicality to sailors, farmers, etc., as it made it easier to predict sunrise, sunset, the change of the seasons, etc.
No, the results would be the same with helicentrism because it was that which was causing the results in the first place.

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f I have the mistaken belief that the federal government will arrest everyone who has credit card debt, I cut up all my credit cards, pay off all my debt, and live with cash. I now have the peace of mind of not having to worry about being arrested, and I am able to accelerate my mortgage payments. My false belief thus improves my life.
No, your false belief offers a comfort to a false problem it created in the first place.
A false belief (trust me) but one which can improve my evolutionary fitness.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder 😛
So, the practicality of a belief does not imply its truth. The practicality of an entire cognitive system does not guarantee that it is aimed at forming true beliefs.
By saying this, we recognize that our cognitive systems have a function, namely the production of true beliefs.
We understand well the bioloical basis of thoughts and ideas with more work being done all the time. We can test out our ideas and beliefs to some extent. But the ones we cant, remain the preserve of ‘‘faith’’ something not everyone has.
I’m just sayin’.
Not everything that looks designed is. We’re conditioned to see agency and purpose where there is none. The biological evolution of the brain is remarkably well understood for such a complex organ. And evolution does not have a predetermined plan, as we know.

Sarah x 🙂
 
It has. I started another thread a few days ago, much like this one, titled “Neurotheology.” I was hoping for someone to post a few links that will refute the theory of the “God Gene” and refute that spirituality is a product of the mind. Does anyone here on this thread have any such links I could read? I’m not having any luck finding them on my own. :o
I don’t have any links but the hypothesis that our beliefs are the products of neural processes is self-destructive! If we cannot control our neural processes there is no guarantee we can reach any rational conclusions… 🙂
 
I’ve been a lapsed Catholic for a year now, I never thought I’d find a discussion just like this one. This is definitely something that is keeping me from going back to the church.

Athiestgirl, I think you’re right when it comes to our brains detecting patterns. A better way to explain it to people here might be an article written by Michael Shermer:

michaelshermer.com/2009/08/does-belief-help-us-to-survive/
 
There is such a thing as spirituality that acts as a tool for God to speak to us. There have been many studies on the brain that conclude that there are areas of the brain that predict our spirituality (search “spirituality and the brain” in Google). The “magical” finding is that when you destroy one part of the brain that controls spirituality, the spiritual aspects of the brain will crop up in a different part of the brain and the persons spirituality may increase drastically (the same is true for thoughts and memory).

Our spirituality is a gift from God. I believe that anybody can generate their spirituality by becoming religious and taking the time to listen! God does indeed communicate with us!

Our thoughts are not always (if ever) our own!
 
I’ve been a lapsed Catholic for a year now, I never thought I’d find a discussion just like this one. This is definitely something that is keeping me from going back to the church.
“Modern man is so confused, Raymond” says a Russian communist to an American soldier/deserter in Russia, movie The White Knights
Trying to find the truth on a message board so that you can understand it is impossible. You have to look elsewhere.
Athiestgirl, I think you’re right when it comes to our brains detecting patterns. A better way to explain it to people here might be an article written by Michael Shermer:

michaelshermer.com/2009/0…us-to-survive/
OK. I looked at that webpage and this charlatan, who makes a living selling his books on this website, says not a word on how brain cells store patterns.

I looked at the prologue to his book The Believing Brain

http://www.michaelshermer.com/the-believing-brain/
our brains are the most complex and sophisticated information processing machines in the universe, capable of understanding not only the universe itself but of understanding the process of understanding.
So if all the world’s nations combined their resources to build a supercomputer, let’s say ten miles by ten miles wide, with two hundred million hard drives, and poured all human knowledge into its data banks, would that computer have understanding and consciousness?
Forget it. Not even close.
 
The examples I provided show (as you seem to agree) that the falseness of a belief (even though it may contain elements of truth) has no relation to its usefulness. You or I could easily come up with a hundred more examples.
We understand well the bioloical basis of thoughts and ideas with more work being done all the time. We can test out our ideas and beliefs to some extent. But the ones we cant, remain the preserve of ‘‘faith’’ something not everyone has.
Well, individuals (if not “we”) can argue that thoughts and ideas have a biological basis.But what does that mean? Do you believe that your ideas arise from a biological process (i.e., the random collision of atoms) which creates the mere illusion of consciousness or do you believe your consciousness which forms ideas and beliefs derives in some way from your biology and then exists independently for a short time then ceases to exist when your body assumes room temperature? Or something else?

If you and I and our kids and our spouses and our parents are are mere bags of various fulminating chemicals that schlep around for about 70 years before ceasing and have chemical reactions in our brains that create an impression in our frontal cortex that we have independent thoughts…again, these processes would also be subject to the laws of natural selection. Our cognitive systems have no more ability to know if one idea is true than another, as natural selection does not care about “truth.” So the “truth” of naturalism cannot be logically shown using naturalism, itself.
Not everything that looks designed is. We’re conditioned to see agency and purpose where there is none. The biological evolution of the brain is remarkably well understood for such a complex organ. And evolution does not have a predetermined plan, as we know.
And are we not also conditioned to see agency and purpose when there is such? Because we are pattern-seeking creatures does not mean that patterns do not exist.

Based on naturalism, what is our evidence for determining whether a pattern (or God) exists or not?

If there is a psychological and/or neurological basis for an individual’s atheism (as recent research tends to indicate), and if there is a psychological and/or neurological basis for an individual’s theism (as some research tends to indicate), how are we to determine which view we should accept? Convenience? Comfort? Inertia? Personality quirks? Or is it a simple matter of opinion, whether one has the faith to be a believer or the faith to be an atheist?

If so, and if as you astutely wrote, “We can test out our ideas and beliefs to some extent. But the ones we cant, remain the preserve of ‘‘faith’’ something not everyone has,” some issues of belief, including God and the hereafter require faith; but a belief in Naturalism would seem to require the same.
 
“Modern man is so confused, Raymond” says a Russian communist to an American soldier/deserter in Russia, movie The White Knights
Trying to find the truth on a message board so that you can understand it is impossible. You have to look elsewhere.

OK. I looked at that webpage and this charlatan, who makes a living selling his books on this website, says not a word on how brain cells store patterns.

I looked at the prologue to his book The Believing Brain

http://www.michaelshermer.com/the-believing-brain/

So if all the world’s nations combined their resources to build a supercomputer, let’s say ten miles by ten miles wide, with two hundred million hard drives, and poured all human knowledge into its data banks, would that computer have understanding and consciousness?
Forget it. Not even close.
There’s the problem that a computer will only do what it is programmed, and human science cannot program “understanding and consciousness.”
 
human science cannot program “understanding and consciousness.”
Much less can natural science to it ! :eek: 😃

The structure of DNA was understood sixty years ago. Biologists have made amazing advances in manipulating the stuff.
Computers were developed at about the same time. How much progress have scientists made in created artificial intelligence and consciousness? Zero ! And so it will remaiin.
 
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