Is philosophy and human reason looked down on?

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In 1 Corinthians Paul says

“For God did not send me to baptize but to preach the gospel, and not with the wisdom of human eloquence.”

“Where is the wise one? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age? Has not God made the wisdom of this world foolish?”

It seems that Paul is speaking against philosophy and human reason, or is it more fair to say that he is talking about worldly wisdom?
 
In 1 Corinthians Paul says

“For God did not send me to baptize but to preach the gospel, and not with the wisdom of human eloquence.”

“Where is the wise one? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age? Has not God made the wisdom of this world foolish?”

It seems that Paul is speaking against philosophy and human reason, or is it more fair to say that he is talking about worldly wisdom?
Read carefully.
Logic is behind Faith, that is what it says. Faith is deeper and more profound.
Paul preaches Faith not Philosophy.
 
St. Thomas Aquinas was a famous philosopher and William Paley is the author of the watchmaker-conclusive intelligent debate to dariwn whic gives evidence of God as as the designer of the universe.
Faith with intelligence.
 
St. Thomas Aquinas was a famous philosopher and William Paley is the author of the watchmaker-conclusive intelligent debate to dariwn whic gives evidence of God as as the designer of the universe.
Faith with intelligence.
 
In 1 Corinthians Paul says

“For God did not send me to baptize but to preach the gospel, and not with the wisdom of human eloquence.”

“Where is the wise one? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age? Has not God made the wisdom of this world foolish?”

It seems that Paul is speaking against philosophy and human reason, or is it more fair to say that he is talking about worldly wisdom?
This is why the Church teaches us to look at the content and unity of Scripture. We do not interpret individual verses in a vaccuum.

The “Wisdom of the World” does not equal “human reason.” It is the “wisdom of the world” that says things like “you have your truth and I have my truth.”

So highly is human reason regarded that it is actually a dogmatic teaching of the Church that we can know God exists through reason alone, apart from revelation.
 
It’s helpful to know that the ancient Greeks distinguished between the sophists and the philosophers. Sophists are masters of rhetoric who functioned much as modern-day lawyers, whereas philosophers are those who love truth and are devoted to finding it whatever path they may have to follow and no matter how long it takes. My guess is that St. Paul’s words here refer more to the sophists than to the philosophers.
 
Philosophy and reason as we know it today were not applied to spiritual matters prior to the 10th or 11th century. .

Spirituality and theology were monastic, based on prayerful reading of scripture, lectio. The introduction of aristotlean philosphy - reason, intellect and scientific methods - to things which were spiritual in nature was a huge innovation, led in the west mostly by monks themselves who began teaching with the rise of the great universities in Europe.

There was much tension, fights even, and at least one bishop was excommunciated over the issue of applying philosophy and reason to what were seen as purely spiritual “Mysteries.” Prior to this time, the only Aristotlean philosophers were arab, and there was much distrust.

Personally, I’m with the early monastics. Philosophy makes my eyes glass over and I start to drool. That’s just me though.

-Tim-
 
Aristotle being applied to Christianity wasn’t new in the 11th and 12th centuries (although applying Plato or the Stoics was much more popular in early Christianity). You get Aristotle-ish bits in St. Irenaeus, for example, and many early Christian writers were big on Christians studying natural philosophy in order to better understand God’s glory expressed through His Creation.

What was new was that it was being applied a new generation of Christians – by medieval people who hadn’t had the libraries to study Aristotle before. (Medieval Europe knew who Aristotle was, but they mostly didn’t have his books, because anybody in early Christian times who wanted to study Aristotle would have read him in Greek.) The condemnations largely stemmed from bad/remote translations that went from Greek into Arabic into Latin, and often included lots of commentary by the Arabic-speaking translators/scholars; so the first work of the Scholastics was either to get direct translations from the Greeks, learn Greek and get Greek manuscripts and then read the original (not possible for most folks in Western Europe because of Muslims blocking trade routes, although some worked on it, particularly in Spain and eastern Europe) or to filter out the Muslim bits from Muslim translators. The other big issue was the people who loved Aristotle so much that they were ready to go all pagan-universe and ignore known medieval science facts just because Aristotle had said so, which was sorta stupid.

So great Aristotle teachers like St. Albert the Great had a lot of sorting to do, in order to use Aristotle’s good parts and ignore his bad parts. They ended up teaching people to do this with all sorts of pagan and Muslim sources, and teaching them also to pay attention to their own experience of how the world worked, as well as to the authority of these writers.

“Experience” could be sought through going out on purpose and trying things out to get “experimentum”, which is how we got experimental science.

So you get writers like St. Albert saying things about how Aristotle said this and Averroes said that about antlions, and Pliny said this other thing, but personally, I used to keep antlions as pets and play with them, and I saw them eat X and Y and do Z without any problem whatsoever. And I’ve been all over Europe and the antlions do the same thing there. So it’s possible that they had different kinds of antlions around where Aristotle and Averroes and Pliny lived, or in their time, but it’s certainly not true of our antlions around here, today.

So yeah, mostly what was new was the excitement and interesting things you turn up when you look at sources you’ve only heard about before, and you examine them with fresh ideas. It wasn’t the first time Christians played with Aristotle, but only a “modern” time when it happened.
 
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