Is Pope Benedict making an impact in the liturgy?

[Andreas_Hofer]

1. I’m not with SSPX but still… modernist? what? Modernism is what they are fighting against. You might want to read some of the writings of the last several Popes before John XXIII.

I guess the humor was lost on you. The point was that even people so traditionalist they were willing to excommunicate themselves participated in the council and ratified its documents. Which goes to show that affiliation with the Vatican Council II does not automatically hamstring one’s ability to reform the liturgy.

 

[TradyDaddy]

I guess the humor was lost on you. The point was that even people so traditionalist they were willing to excommunicate themselves participated in the council and ratified its documents. Which goes to show that affiliation with the Vatican Council II does not automatically hamstring one’s ability to reform the liturgy.

I understand your point, however, there are a couple things you should consider. First, they did not have crystal balls. Many of the things they (the conservatives) ratified were ambiguously written and yet their obedience to the Pope was their guiding factor. If they could have foresaw the disaster that was to occur over the next 40 years, they might have not been so quick to approve. As a matter of fact, if you’ve never read the Ottaviani Intervention, you might want to do so. It was a very immediate request by the conservatives to reconsider the Novus Ordo changes and did forecast the effects it would have.

Secondly, Archbishop Lefebvre, because of his desire for obedience, tried to reconcile with the Vatican for nearly two decades before incurring the excommunication. Your point would have much more force if the illicit consecration of the 4 Bishops had taken place in say 1969 or 1970.

 

[Elzee]

I haven’t noticed any change in my area. To be honest, most orthodox Catholics I know are disappointed the liturgy hasn’t been impacted more than it has. I think many people (including myself) were wanting some quick fixes and crackdowns. But, I realize now these things take time.

On the flip-side, an extremely unorthodox Catholic I know told me the other day that he is pleasantly surprised by what he sees as Pope Benedict’s apparent ‘accepting silence’ on liturgical abuses and priests and Bishops who don’t follow the GIRM or RS.

 

[InnocentIII]

I think it is important to bear in mind that many of the Parish Priests and quite a few Bishops currently in authority were products of the “Spirit of Vatican II” age and are used to going their own way. They will not change simply because BXVI tells them too. They will make all the appropriate sounds but basically will continue to do as they have always done. I think though that we underestimate the influence the Holy Father has just by winning the election so decisively. Our holy priest now working well past his retirement has been invigorated simply by knowing BXVI is there. He has agreed to restore the altar rails for example and has made Benediction an all Latin affair. Our Bishop inherited a mess from his liberal predecessor (who still lives in the most liberal parish in the Diocese) and is working hard to overcome the resistance of the incumbent priests. Little things can have big consequences. Our neighbour parish had the Tabernacle hidden in a side room but lo and behold it was restored to the centre of the sanctuary after the bishop’s appointment. Another parish got a new priest who moved the priests “throne” from centre place to a side position. These things may seem minor but they indicate that the tide has turned and I believe it will gather strength as the boomer priests and bisops retire.

 

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In short, if he is, I haven’t seen the work thereof. This does not mean I don’t think he will not make significant changes. But I’ve been in refuge, if you will, at OLOA in San Antonio and leave hideout only for community life at St. Anthony Center at UTSA.

 

[Asperges_Me]

Well with 5 days left to vote it seems like the trend to more conservative/traditional practices is stronger than the trend to liberal/progressive practices, although nowhere near the majority. I have noticed some changes in a couple of the parishes we frequent. One of these parishes dropped the lector droning on about who was doing what before the start of Mass and now just begins the Mass with the Opening Hymn. The priest also brought back the Confiteor and Gloria during most weekend Masses and also brought back the Sanctus bells.

 

[Dr.Bombay]

I would have to answer the question with a resounding NO!

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[Ham1]

I would have to answer the question with a resounding NO!

When are you going to realize that much to your disappointment the Church has gotten more traditional and conservative over the last 20 years and not more liberal. There wer some wacky bishops in 1986…far less so now.

Things are getting more traditional. I know that’s hard for you to stomach but it’s true.

 

[lak611]

It is still too soon to tell. I will be able to offer an opinion after I see what happens once the Pauline Mass updates happen next year (if this occurs on schedule.).

 

[Marian_Carroll]

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