Is Pope Francis really that liberal?

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Western liberals, in their zeal to expropriate the prestige of the Throne of St Peter in the service of their sentimental humanitarianism, misunderstand the Pope’s view of human dignity and the problem of human suffering.
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American conservatives similarly misunderstand the Holy Father. Quick to condemn Francis’ harsh assessment of democratic capitalism, conservative commentators have too-often demonstrated a proclivity toward imbibing the knee-jerk reaction of labeling the pontiff a socialist. Such criticisms neglect the fact that true conservatism is the rejection of ideology—capitalism included.
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Conservatives should tread carefully before they condemn the Holy Father as just another liberal hack, and liberals should be mindful that Francis is simply not their comrade in arms.
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Don’t trust main stream media on anything that they “claim” Pope Francis said or did.
 
OsculeturMeOsculo said:
I posted and then I read some.
So nevermind…?
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Ok. I asked because I noticed you posted within seconds, seemingly suggesting that whatever article about Pope France I or anyone links, it’s not to be trusted.

But the whole reason I posted the article is to compensate for some of the biased articles that get linked. So I thought it might be worth reading it before (apparently) dismissing it as “more from the media – therefore to be disregarded.”

Anyway, perhaps I misunderstood your fast reply.
 
My Priest made a recent comment that the Vatican is no longer in defensive mode - I thought this was interesting and makes sense when you consider Pope Francis’s papacy.
 
Liberals and Conservatives misunderstand Pope Francis, but if you know anything about the ways of a Jesuit you know exactly what he is up to.

I LOVE Pope Francis! 😍
 
I do wish Catholics would stop using the adjective “liberal” to label other Catholics .

“Liberal” belongs to politics . Let it stay there .
 
Labels are helpful in identifying error. If liberal poilticians who identify as Catholic but support a political party with an ideology that lays waste to the life teachings of Jesus (the non negotiables of the Catholic Faith) then a distinction has to be made.
 
Dlee said:
My Priest made a recent comment that the Vatican is no longer in defensive mode - I thought this was interesting and makes sense when you consider Pope Francis’s papacy.
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More accurate to say it is no longer in a protective mode. Under two previous popes the Vatican was protective against the attack on prolife and marriage. They also were protective by proclaiming those truths especially forgotten now.

Today the Vatican is more in a passive mode. They proclaim whatever truths are currently popular, in the media. They also do mention abortion. It is one of the top 50 priorities now. The Pope does say prolife is important … When he talks to prolifers.
 
I don’t think Pope Francis is a real liberal (in a political sense). But I do think he has focused his ministry on non-Catholics, esp those who do not know the Gospel.
 
I wouldnt trust the main stream media if my life depended on it. that being said the so called " controversy " or how " controversial " pope francis is, i think is a joke as well. Notice how this website has rules on not bad mouthing the pope and or clergy, etc… makes sense doesnt it . be it ones opinion or just someone who flat out doesnt like what ever for what ever reason… why then isn’t there that kind of rule in regards to the Pope and the Papacy for clergy ?

Something that says if you have some sort of disagreement , misunderstanding, confusion, what ever , that you dont go on social media or to the media and whine about the pope/ papacy, and you dont go around your diocese and make a complaint.

The Church was pretty good at covering up a sex abuse scandal, but when it comes to complaining, the higher archy seems more than ready to let their opinions known, and dont care about causing decent among the faithful. If cardinals and bishops are that concerned about a pope, it seems like they should get together, and find a way to come up with some way to impeach a pope or create some rule that says they have a right to file a formal complaint that has to be addressed in a certain amount of time.
 
phil19034 said:
I don’t think Pope Francis is a real liberal (in a political sense). But I do think he has focused his ministry on non-Catholics, esp those who do not know the Gospel.
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I am trying to think what aspect of what he is doing with non Catholics is “ministry”. I have talked to, and read about, non Catholics who applaud him. They like him because he deemphasizes A, or he is silent on B, or seems to be moving the Church away from C.

They like it when he repeats the same ideas and priorities they already had.

Would you say the caboose is engaging the rest of the train in ministry?
 
I was especially intrigued by the fact that he made no comment concerning the Ireland referendum…
 
The Pope isn’t a liberal in the sense of dissenting. Better to say St. JP and Benedict did the same good things Francis is doing, and also other good things he isn’t doing
 
Since so many people understand, and will use the terms of ‘liberal’ and ‘conservative’ in a strictly political sense, and since they also have wildly divergent opinions from person to person as to what exactly they personally consider to be ‘liberal’ or ‘conservative’, I prefer to simply listen to what the Pope says (from trustworthy sources), see what he does, and to pray, follow the catechism, and do my best to know, love, and serve God with all my heart, soul, mind, and strength, as best I can, to help others as best I can, and to be ready to do whatever task the Lord has in mind for me. Certainly loving and praying for the Holy Father is something we should all (IMO) be doing!
 
EXdrinker said:
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I do wish Catholics would stop using the adjective “liberal” to label other Catholics .

“Liberal” belongs to politics . Let it stay there .
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Catholics who dissent from church teaching are choosing liberalism, the idea that individuals are independent of and not subject to the revealed law of God. Those that follow this idea are called liberals.
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So If what you say is correct , and it isn’t , I trust that you have flagged the OP for implying by the title of this thread that Pope Francis is liberal .
 
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