Is Pope Francis the best Pope we ever had?

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We need different things at different times. Francis probably wouldn’t have been the best bet for the political subtlety required during the 1940’s or during the Cold War, or for the turmoil and persecution of the first few centuries of the early Church, or to write with the scholarly nuance that some others have. But I think he’s doing a good job of doing what’s needed at this moment in time, even if it’s not always accomplished with as much polish and nuance as we’ve come to expect from his two immediate predecessors.
 
They have filed that Dubia because they are angry about something ELSE.
There are politics at play. Those who watch these characters closely, realize what it’s really about.
Thye don’t like him. Period.
 
I had not read Our Lady of Akita’s warnings so that I remembered them. Thanks for posting…
 
Can’t. There is an apostrophe there. I am betting you do not believe in climate change.
 
Really? Could you please give us examples from these holy Cardinals which show their dislike for the pope? Or their anger about something ELSE? Do you have proof of your allegations? Have you read the dubia? These “politics at play”…is it a one sided thing? Or are both the Cardinals and PF “playing at politics”?
 
Clearly you don’t read many of the documents or the news concerning this.
I’m not going to do your homework for you, Suffice it to say that those who continue to bash and push the Pope will find themselves in even father out regions.

There’s a time for questions, but there is never a time for outright attacks.
 
pianistclare said:
Clearly you don’t read many of the documents or the news concerning this.

I’m not going to do your homework for you, Suffice it to say that those who continue to bash and push the Pope will find themselves in even father out regions.
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So then…no, you cannot prove that the good Cardinals dislike PF. And you cannot prove they are angry about something ELSE. Then under the pains of calumny you will retract what you said of these holy priests?
 
It’s a matter of opinion. In my opinion, he’s the best in my lifetime, and beyond that, the best since St. John XXIII.
 
My personal favorite Pope is Pope Leo XIII. Francis, however, is interesting. God Bless him.
 
IMHO - I would define Pope Francis as exotic and provocative.

My favorite Popes in my lifetime:
  • Pope John Paul I (his untimely expiration was saddening)
  • Pope Benedict XVI
 
I think Pope Francis is continuing what JPII and BXVI have said & done about climate change, and since people have ignored them, he has had to come out with a stronger statement. All three have been terrific on climate change and the other challenges of our times.

Also Pope Francis seems to love all people and want the best for them, as did JPII and BXVI, but each has their own personality and ways of expressing it.

I would say all three are really great popes. Don’t know much about history, but I’d say St. Peter was great and I’m sure most other popes have also been very good or great, stepping up to the challenges of their times. (I also have heard there were some bad ones.)
 
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The climate change comment is personal opinion, not Church stance.
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No, an evidence/theory based conclusion of not only Pope Francis, but of JPII, BXVI, the Pontifical Academy of Sciences, and 1000s of scientists.

People should wake up and smell the oil funding the denialist industry.

I’m sort of thinking that by the logic of Catholic CC denialists, some people might say it would be okay to kill someone with a particular type of poison by claiming one does not accept the science that says it is poisonous and could cause death and pointing to some blogs (funded by the company that produces it) that claim it is not a poison and that those scientific studies are just a hoax perpetrated on humanity to prevent it from buying and consuming their wonderful product.
 
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No, an evidence/theory based conclusion of not only Pope Francis, but of JPII, BXVI, the Pontifical Academy of Sciences, and 1000s of scientists.
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… none of which make it the “official Church stance” of Catholicism.

I don’t even have to have an opinion on the topic at all, let alone a specific opinion which you or anyone else might insist on.
 
The Pope is the best ever because he endorses “Climate Change” ???

It seems to me many people celebrate the Pope so much because he shares their far left political beliefs. To claim he is the best Pope ever because he likes Climate Change is pretty laughable but what I would expect from many of his biggest cheerleaders.
 
Then that is not what the opening post says. The OP does not even say that Pope Francis is the best pope ever, and he has two points, not one.
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Pope Francis fights against climate change and he doesn’t scorn people for their moral differences.
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I mean, if he is not on your list of the top 100, that is your opinion, but by misrepresenting what was said, you set up a straw man. It has been my experience that almost everyone critical of Pope Francis does this, being critical of something the Pope never actually said or did, but a misrepresentation, usually from some news story or gossip, of what the Pope said or did.

In any case, do not most of us judge who is the best, pope, president, speaker, news, etc., based on that which agrees with them?
 
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… none of which make it the “official Church stance” of Catholicism.

I don’t even have to have an opinion on the topic at all, let alone a specific opinion which you or anyone else might insist on.
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How about “Thou shalt not kill.” That’s at least in the Bible and many other religions accept that precept as well.

Since science is telling us we are causing conditions through CC which result in people’s death, I’d say it comes under that precept
 
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