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2ndGen
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Is the word “pope” in The Holy Bible?
And if it is, does that make it “Scriptural”?
And if it is, does that make it “Scriptural”?
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Leopard
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Not as such, but pope means father, and the word father is certainly in the scriptures.
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Dauphin
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Why would it need to be in the Bible?
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EphelDuath
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Isaiah 22:21-22
As said above, “Pope” means father. Keys (the keys St. Peter received) represent authority.
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2ndGen
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:clapping:
Darn!
Can’t I set up a trap anymore?
Thanks leopard.
I was hoping to catch one of those “pope ain’t in the bible” NCC’s.
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2ndGen
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Love that verse and thank you for pointing out something I never noticed unless I had been reading it in Greek!
Isaiah 22:21-22/Matthew 16 Hybrid
"And I will clothe him with thy robe,
and will strengthen him with thy girdle,
and will give thy power into his hand:
and he shall be as a Pope to the inhabitants of Jerusalem,
and to the house of Juda.
I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven:
and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven; and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
(Computers are being shut off now! LOL!)
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Leopard
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Sorry, I didn’t know I was spoiling your game. Next time try phrasing your question like this:
Is the word “carburetor” in The Holy Bible?
Leopard, you keep quiet!
Good try, though.
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2ndGen
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No, my favorite…Sorry, I didn’t know I was spoiling your game. Next time try phrasing your question like this:
Is the word “carburetor” in The Holy Bible?
Leopard, you keep quiet!
Good try, though.
“Is the word ‘bible’ in The Holy Bible?”
For some reason,
they never answer that one.
I think I’ll title that question:
“How to make a Sola Scripturist disappear in 8 words or less”
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Steve40
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Just as St. Paul as an Apostle bore spiritual children the successors of the Aopstles, the Bishop’s give birth to spiritual children. The Priest’s are the helpers of the successors of the Apostles.
Both the Bishop’s and the Priests are in the Person of Christ when they say This Is My Body and bread bcomes the Flesh of Jesus Who Is Fully Human and Fully God. The Bride Groom Physically enters into His Bride the Church to give her new life. They are not two but are One Flesh. In this sense the Pope, a Bishop and the Priests father spiritual children.
Both the Bishop’s and the Priests are in the Person of Christ when they say This Is My Body and bread bcomes the Flesh of Jesus Who Is Fully Human and Fully God. The Bride Groom Physically enters into His Bride the Church to give her new life. They are not two but are One Flesh. In this sense the Pope, a Bishop and the Priests father spiritual children.
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2ndGen
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And to take it further, The Apostles referred to themselves as our “fathers” in matters of faith:
Acts 7:2; 22:1,1 John 2:13 - elders of the Church are called “fathers.” Therefore, we should ask the question, "Why don’t Protestants call their pastors “father?”
1 Cor. 4:15 - Paul writes, “I became your father in Christ Jesus.”
1 Cor. 4:17 - Paul calls Bishop Timothy a beloved and faithful “child” in the Lord.
2 Cor. 12:14 - Paul describes his role as parent over his “children” the Corinthians.
Phil. 2:22 - Paul calls Timothy’s service to him as a son serves a “father.”
1 Thess. 2:11- Paul compares the Church elders’ ministry to the people like a father with his children.
1 Tim. 1:2,18; 2 Tim. 1:2-3 - Paul calls Timothy his true “child” in the faith and his son.
Titus 1:4 - Paul calls Titus his true “child” in a common faith. Priests are our spiritual fathers in the family of God.
Philemon 10 - Paul says he has become the “father” of Onesimus.
Heb. 12:7,9 - emphasizes our earthly “fathers.” But these are not just biological but also spiritual (the priests of the Church).
1 Peter 5:13 - Peter refers to himself as father by calling Mark his “son.”
1 John 2:1,13,14 - John calls the elders of the Church “fathers.”
1 John 2:1,18,28; 3:18; 5:21; 3 John 4 - John calls members of the Church “children.”
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Leopard
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Not as such, but bible means book, and the word book is certainly in the scriptures…
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2ndGen
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:tsktsk:Not as such, but bible means book, and the word book is certainly in the scriptures…
It means “collection of books”.
That’s a difference from just “book”.
Bi·ble
–noun
- the collection of sacred writings of the Christian religion, comprising the Old and New Testaments.
- Also called Hebrew Scriptures. the collection of sacred writings of the Jewish religion: known to Christians as the Old Testament.
- (often lowercase) the sacred writings of any religion.
- (lowercase) any book, reference work, periodical, etc., accepted as authoritative, informative, or reliable: He regarded that particular bird book as the birdwatchers’ bible.
definitions 1-3 only apply.
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savedsinner
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But the bible does mention “the Scriptures”:tsktsk:
It means “collection of books”.
That’s a difference from just “book”.
Bi·ble
–noun
Being that we are speaking of Christian works,
- the collection of sacred writings of the Christian religion, comprising the Old and New Testaments.
- Also called Hebrew Scriptures. the collection of sacred writings of the Jewish religion: known to Christians as the Old Testament.
- (often lowercase) the sacred writings of any religion.
- (lowercase) any book, reference work, periodical, etc., accepted as authoritative, informative, or reliable: He regarded that particular bird book as the birdwatchers’ bible.
definitions 1-3 only apply.
2 Peter 3:16
There are some things in them hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other scriptures.
Peter here seems to recognize that Pauls writings are regarded as scripture just like the Old Testament was.
And Paul writes in 2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture is inspired by God
So between the two passages, even though they don’t use the word bible, they mention “the scriptures” and that “the scriptures” are inspired of God.
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Teflon93
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“Pope” is not to my knowledge in the Bible, but “Abba” is.
If you think this means apostolic succession runs through the 70s Swedish pop group, you may want to rethink your definition of “scriptural”.
If you think this means apostolic succession runs through the 70s Swedish pop group, you may want to rethink your definition of “scriptural”.
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2ndGen
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Let’s see, “pope” literally means “father”, so if we take the word “father” whenever it appears in The Holy Bible and replace it with the Greek word that represents it, then the word “pope” would be in The Holy Bible hundreds of times with several times being used as a term to describe a “spiritual” fatherhood as a religious leader by The Apostles.
Therefore, the word “pope” is in The Holy Bible and is used in Scripture the way it’s been used ever since the founding of Christianity…as a religious leader.
So, yes…it “is” Scriptural!
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2ndGen
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At the time that the term was used, the canon of The Bible hadn’t been determined yet (as far as history knows), so while there were scriptures, no where is the term that means bible used (collection of scriptures).
Even the Jewish canon wasn’t complete until 90AD.
A scripture or several scriptures do not make The Bible, but a canonized collection of scriptures do.
The Bible is The Collection of Scriptures.
A collection of scriptures do not always comprise The Bible, but may comprise “a” bible (such as is the case with bible produced after the 16th century).
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Teflon93
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The question was, “Is the word “Pope” in the Bible?”, was it not?Let’s see, “pope” literally means “father”, so if we take the word “father” whenever it appears in The Holy Bible and replace it with the Greek word that represents it, then the word “pope” would be in The Holy Bible hundreds of times with several times being used as a term to describe a “spiritual” fatherhood as a religious leader by The Apostles.
Therefore, the word “pope” is in The Holy Bible and is used in Scripture the way it’s been used ever since the founding of Christianity…as a religious leader.
So, yes…it “is” Scriptural!
If you interpret the question literally, you’ll need to point us to the translation where it may be found.
If you interpret it conceptually, the answer would be, “No”—the office of Pope, and the title of Pope, came about later than the events of the Bible. Just as the invention of the telephone occurring later does not make the use of telephones unChristian, the fact that the Church office of Pope did not cohere until later does not undermine the office.
I think we’re better off reasoning in such fashion than playing “gotcha”—we have the truth on our side, after all.
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2ndGen
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pápas bishop, priest, var. of páppas father; see papa]
pa·pa
/ˈpɑpə, pəˈpɑ/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[pah-puh, puh-pah] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
- father.
- (initial capital letter) a code word used in communications, esp. by radio, to represent the letter P.
[Origin: 1675–85; < F; MF pappa (nursery word); cf. L pāpa [COLOR=“red”]father (see pope), ON pāpi, pabbi father. See pap1]
Therefore, where ever the word “father” appears in Scripture, if read in it’s original Koine (Greek) text, you have the word “papa” which is translated to “pope” in English.
Being that Peter is undoubtedly The Apostle that Jesus left in charge of the Flock as well as of the other Apostles (John 21) and he refers to himself as a “pope” to Chrisitans, here we have an example of the first spiritual father of The Church refering to himself as “papa” (pope in English) in The Holy Bible.
1 Peter 5:13 - Peter refers to himself as father (“papa” in Greek or “pope”) by calling Mark his “son.”
Well, sometimes you have to ask the question in a manipulative way to get someone who doesn’t have the truth to engage in an exchange that will expose them to a fact that they never would’ve even considered discussing.
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Leopard
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Please don’t wag your finger at me, it’s rude.
You are correct, biblia is plural, but that word derives from byblos (papyrus or book) which, to my knowledge, does not indicate a plurality.
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