Is porn that bad for our society

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You are confused. Those who use porn are more evil than the porn? Do you mean the people who consume the images are more evil than the people who make the images? How can pornography be serving an important function in society and still be evil?

Evil is evil and has no redeeming value. What would you think would happen if there was no porn - do you think people would simply go wild and have sex everywhere? The porn industry has created this perversion of sexual lust, along with birth control so we can divorce the act from its natural outcome. The 2 together have led us very far astray from where God intended us to be.

Is this a debate for some class or something?
There is such a thing as severity of the evil. I merely take the lessor of the evils. If it were not for porn, men would likely use prostitutes. The problem of unprotected sex would likely raise the risk for AIDS and other sexually transmitted diseases.
 
There is such a thing as severity of the evil. I merely take the lessor of the evils. If it were not for porn, men would likely use prostitutes. The problem of unprotected sex would likely raise the risk for AIDS and other sexually transmitted diseases.
Um… How about people just learn to control themselves???

The lesser of two evils doesn’t really make sense. That is like saying “well, you are going to do it anyway, so just do this instead of that.”

Once again, how about people control themselves? Men or women do not need to participate in child sexual abuse (porn) OR use prostitutes, OR have immoral sexual relations, etc.

God gave us self control.
 
Um… How about people just learn to control themselves???

The lesser of two evils doesn’t really make sense. That is like saying “well, you are going to do it anyway, so just do this instead of that.”

Once again, how about people control themselves? Men or women do not need to participate in child sexual abuse (porn) OR use prostitutes, OR have immoral sexual relations, etc.

God gave us self control.
I don’t think control is possible in men with their hormones raging! Your argument for the lesser of two evils is shallow. Why shouldn’t society urge them in the direction of the lesser evil? (see post #10)
 
I don’t think control is possible in men with their hormones raging! Your argument for the lesser of two evils is shallow. Why shouldn’t society urge them in the direction of the lesser evil?
Because the lesser evil is still evil. Plain and simple.

And for you to suggest that men can’t control their raging hormones?!?!?! Using that logic, one would think that human beings would be running around having sex with anybody that they can find.

There are TONS of people in this world that can control themselves (and we ALL have hormones). Married people remain together for life. Priests/Nuns/Etc are never married and do not have sexual partners. People choose to live a single life (no sexual partners). Very possible. I am not saying that it is not difficult. But very possible.

And the excuse that “I have raging hormones” is kind of lame :D. Does that mean that some people have more raging hormones than others? Perhaps. But I guess that those people need to figure out a way of dealing with them WITHOUT watching porn (once again, child abuse) or using prostitutes.

I think that making something okay because it is the “lesser of two evils” is just allowing more evil to enter into society.

It is the same thing has thinking that a little boy is going to want to play with a really cool gun sometime. So, instead of letting him play with an AK-47, maybe we will just give him a glock. The lesser of two evils. But it doesn’t make sense. We should just keep the gun away from the boy! (In no way am I trying to enter into a debate about gun control and/or child rearing. It is an example of the non-logic of ‘lesser of two evils.’)
 
Because the lesser evil is still evil. Plain and simple.

And for you to suggest that men can’t control their raging hormones?!?!?! Using that logic, one would think that human beings would be running around having sex with anybody that they can find.

There are TONS of people in this world that can control themselves (and we ALL have hormones). Married people remain together for life. Priests/Nuns/Etc are never married and do not have sexual partners. People choose to live a single life (no sexual partners). Very possible. I am not saying that it is not difficult. But very possible.

And the excuse that “I have raging hormones” is kind of lame :D. Does that mean that some people have more raging hormones than others? Perhaps. But I guess that those people need to figure out a way of dealing with them WITHOUT watching porn (once again, child abuse) or using prostitutes.

I think that making something okay because it is the “lesser of two evils” is just allowing more evil to enter into society.

It is the same thing has thinking that a little boy is going to want to play with a really cool gun sometime. So, instead of letting him play with an AK-47, maybe we will just give him a glock. The lesser of two evils. But it doesn’t make sense. We should just keep the gun away from the boy! (In no way am I trying to enter into a debate about gun control and/or child rearing. It is an example of the non-logic of ‘lesser of two evils.’)
Raging hormones in men is a problem. Where it all come from, God only knows. I can control my hormones only by using medication that decreases the libido.

As for the rest of your post about the lesser evil, I suggest reading post # 10.
 
I don’t think control is possible in men with their hormones raging! Your argument for the lesser of two evils is shallow. Why shouldn’t society urge them in the direction of the lesser evil? (see post #10)
What you’ve just described is called despair (backed up by a lot of rationalizing). It’s actually a serious sin when you comprehend the implications.

Judas and Peter both betrayed Jesus (though Judas’s was premeditated). But Judas succumbed to despair and killed himself thinking he couldn’t be redeemed. Peter recognized the power of Christ to redeem him. THAT is the biggest difference between them. Ponder that for a while.
 
What you’ve just described is called despair (backed up by a lot of rationalizing). It’s actually a serious sin when you comprehend the implications.

Judas and Peter both betrayed Jesus (though Judas’s was premeditated). But Judas succumbed to despair and killed himself thinking he couldn’t be redeemed. Peter recognized the power of Christ to redeem him. THAT is the biggest difference between them. Ponder that for a while.
Sorry, but I don’t see the despair part. I also have trouble seeing how Peter’s and Judas’s betrayal of Jesus has much to say here.
 
Sorry, but I don’t see the despair part. I also have trouble seeing how Peter’s and Judas’s betrayal of Jesus has much to say here.
You’ve despaired that people are capable of choosing good. The “lesser of two evils” argument only applies when there are no ‘good’ choices.

Choose good.
 
I see our world as a world undergoing rapid change. It’s during periods of rapid change that society becomes unstable and chaotic. Unfortunately for us, our entire life is just a slice of time where we live in this chaos and instability. Our world must be governed under a different set of rules than when living in a steady state. It is in this unsteady state that I see porn as a lesser of two evils. For whatever reason, our sexuality has become hyper-intense. It is under this condition that we, as a society, must choose between permissiveness and a dangerous coerciveness. This is where I view porn, as disgusting as it is, as an outlet for our hyper-sexualized society. I agree that under an ideal society, porn should never exist. It’s just a matter of time (probably not during our lifetime) that porn and abortion become illegal. It is in this steady-state of existence that God will have dominion over the world and people will avoid sin at all costs.

Compared to Heaven, our world is miserable and corrupt!
 
I see our world as a world undergoing rapid change. … our sexuality has become hyper-intense. …Compared to Heaven, our world is miserable and corrupt!
I agree that compared to Heaven our world is miserable and corrupt!! 😃

However, I do not believe that our sexuality has become hyper-intense. What has happened is there is not longer negative consequences for our behavior (sexual or otherwise). 200 years ago, certain behavior was FROWNED upon. (Teen pregnancy, divorce, etc). However, in today’s world, those things are okay. Having “friends with benefits” is okay in society :eek: . Although teen pregnancy is not OKAY, we are now giving CHILDREN birth control so they can have sex WITH OTHER CHILDREN!! :eek::eek: .

Human beings have not changed. What has changed is our culture (as all cultures do and will continue to do). If things are allowed, many people will do it. If it is culturally acceptable to priovide items for children to have sex with each other and for adults to have sex with numerous random partners, then that happens. I am not saying that didn’t happen 200 years ago. That type of thing happened in Bibical times. But, we cannot blame those things on “hyper-intense sexuality.”

It is a “hyper-intense inability to control onesself.”

And the lesser of two evils is STILL EVIL. (I did read post #10). I still don’t think that it is okay to make videos of people who may (and in many times are) under 18. Whether somebody has a large sex drive or not. Sexually abusing children (or other people) is EVIL and cruel.

There is never an excuse to be evil. I’m sorry, I will never agree with you here. 🙂
 
I work in a retale store that sells porn amongst other dvd’s. And also have a porn addiction myself. I can tell you the ones who buy porn always come back for more. It never satisfies. I have even seen a man shop the porn section with his two sons in the shopping cart. This is very addictive. But it is also cold. No coversation, no warm body to touch, and in the end you are still alone with yourself.
As somebody who (as many know here) still struggles with the evil of pornography, I can attest somewhat you are saying.
In a more ironic (and sacrilegious) vein------
Some years ago before my conversion I was in an adult store and watched an African-American man walk in with a T-Shirt displaying a crucifix (!) and a message of (to the effect) “Jesus died for me.” He was browsing for titles all over the place. :eek:
The DOUBLE irony of this was about an hour before the guy walked in the store had been picketed peacefully by Christian anti-pornography activists who actually planted a cross outside of the store, prayed and then left.

Needless to say, the management was not pleased. When the black guy with the “unusal” T-shirt walked in, the female attendant of the place was openly telling the guy----“I am SO happy you are here!” Of course, she saw the guy and his T-Shirt as somehow “showing the other side” of the debate—basically confirming for her the fact that not ALL good christians opposed pornography. I guess she actually maybe even thought that “God” has somehow sent the guy as confirmation that He was really on the “store’s side” after all and you could STILL watch porn and be for Jesus and God’s laws.:rolleyes:

The level of “doublethink” that folks use in relation to pornography is still astounding to me.
 
There is such a thing as severity of the evil. I merely take the lessor of the evils. If it were not for porn, men would likely use prostitutes. The problem of unprotected sex would likely raise the risk for AIDS and other sexually transmitted diseases.
This is the second post where you have referred to choosing between ‘evils’ and choosing the ‘lesser’. The notion that one evil is less than another can be a very subjective notion. The point is, evil is evil. Why is it you cannot turn away fom both evils, or even three, four, or ten evils. No-one has to willingly choose an evil, unless they rationalise away the fact of an activity being evil.

Porn is destructive to the perceptions of sexuality people ordinarily have and is positively anathema to what the Catholic Church teaches about sexuality. Your example of video games as being anlogous to choosing between two evils is a false one. You are simply talking about two different types of evil which have different outcomes. It’s like comparing bank robbing to kidnapping.

However, you say porn may cause a decrese in the use of prostitutes and therefore a decrease in STDs. Disregarding the gross assumptions in your thinking, you are simply replacing one evil with another. Both lead to an increase in promiscuous behaviour and the relegation of sex to commodity status. In the process, two things are gauranteed. The first is that people will seek more and more instant gratification, thus resulting in increased hedonistic desires and, secondly, the sex act is depersonalised and people become the object of another’s lust. Again, both are anathema to Catholic theology and anathema to good and proper relations between the sexes. Women are the biggest losers because they become objectified as instruments of sexual gratification only.
 
This is the second post where you have referred to choosing between ‘evils’ and choosing the ‘lesser’. The notion that one evil is less than another can be a very subjective notion. The point is, evil is evil. Why is it you cannot turn away fom both evils, or even three, four, or ten evils. No-one has to willingly choose an evil, unless they rationalise away the fact of an activity being evil.

Porn is destructive to the perceptions of sexuality people ordinarily have and is positively anathema to what the Catholic Church teaches about sexuality. Your example of video games as being anlogous to choosing between two evils is a false one. You are simply talking about two different types of evil which have different outcomes. It’s like comparing bank robbing to kidnapping.

However, you say porn may cause a decrese in the use of prostitutes and therefore a decrease in STDs. Disregarding the gross assumptions in your thinking, you are simply replacing one evil with another. Both lead to an increase in promiscuous behaviour and the relegation of sex to commodity status. In the process, two things are gauranteed. The first is that people will seek more and more instant gratification, thus resulting in increased hedonistic desires and, secondly, the sex act is depersonalised and people become the object of another’s lust. Again, both are anathema to Catholic theology and anathema to good and proper relations between the sexes. Women are the biggest losers because they become objectified as instruments of sexual gratification only.
Did you read post numbers 10 and 29? Please read them, then reply.
 
Did you read post numbers 10 and 29? Please read them, then reply.
Robert, I read the entire thread before I posted.

Post #10, by KostyaJMJ quotes Augustine, who seemed to think prostitution suppressed capricious lusts. Yet he goes on to suggest that prostitution and its procurement are one by a class of people “…most unchaste in its morals;” and its very existence is *"… by the law of order, it is most vile in social condition."
*. It is rather obvious that his observation is that prostitution may reduce “capricious lust”, yet he explains that the whole scene is most vile and immoral. His observations regarding the need for prostitution is an assumption, yet his condemnation of it is categorical. If you think this somehow condones the evil of immoral sexual relations, then you need to have another think. You are, in fact, condoning others to sin.

Post #29 is all yours Robert! It is a classic case of someone putting the cart before the horse. You state that “For whatever reason, our sexuality has become hyper-intense.”. Did it not occur to you that pornography and the relaxation of other sexual mores has actually unleashed what you call “hyper-intense” sexuality? Are you saying that men and women have more testosterone and oestrogen and progesterone than past generations? You are making a gross assumption. There is absolutely no scientific evidence of such a thing. What you are forgetting is that the human sexual drive has always been a powerful one. It is that fact that has made the human race the most successful species on planet earth at any time in recorded history. However, you are forgetting that liscentiousness and lust have always been constrained by a moral code, in all cultural situations, throughout all of recorded history. It is precisely why young couples used to be chaperoned. It is precisely why things like rape and incest have been criminalised. It is precisely why prostitution has been criminalised for much of recorded history. It is why homosexual activity has been frowned on for all of recorded history and even criminalised in various societies at various times.

Today, in our contemporary society, all the old moral codes pertaining to sexuality have been relaxed, even abolished and yet you still can’t see why human sexuality seems to be “hyper intense”. It has been let loose Robert. That’s the problem.

You also point out in Post #29 that the world is undergoing rapid change. What rapid change are you referring to Robert? Technological change? Cultural change? Moral change? All of the above? In the early to mid 20th century people first saw electricity, flying machines, the abandonement of the horse in favour of the car, radio, TV, Jet planes, space ships and a host of other amazing inventions. The rate of change then was way faster than it has been over the past twenty years. Yet the moral code remained intact. So what is the connection between technology and morals, particularly sexual morals? Or is it the case that the latest communication technology has simply catered for all the already degenerating morality? If morality wasn’t degenerating and moral codes weren’t relaxing, the enhanced communications technology wouldn’t matter one iota.

In Post #29 you also state we “… must choose between permissiveness and a dangerous coerciveness.”. Just what “dangerous coerciveness” do you refer to Robert? Some form of totalitarian political system? Or do you refer to an increased reliance upon the law to enforce morality? The first is definently dabgerous. History demonstrates to us admirably the effects of a totalitarian state. The latter, however, is something that for most of human history has been the case. It is only within the past hundred years that the Law and Morality have diverged. We have allowed the individual to become more responsible for adherence to a moral code. The obvious question is “has it worked?”. The answer is equally obvious. If you think that the enforcement of a moral code is somehow dabgerous, then I’d refer you to the famed English jurist Lord patrick Devlin. In the 1960s he wrote a book called The Enforcement of Morals. Devlin pointed out that every successful society, empire and nation state has had a shared moral code, a common morality. he calls it the “glue” that holds a society together. He also points out that every failed empire and every failed state has had a disintergrating moral code. Others have written books on the same subject. One of the most recent is When nations die, by Jim Nelson Black. Written in the 1990s it details the moral decline of ancient Greece and Rome and many other empires. Moral decline, the breaking of the ‘glue’ that binds us all together is a common theme and a precursor to failed societies.

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Lord Devlin took part in a famous debate during the 1960s with world renowned Legal Philosopher and Utilitarian H.L.A. Hart. The topic was the extent to which morality should be controlled by the state. Hart was famous for advocating the notion that minority rights should be protected against the majority opinion. A very Utilitarian position to take. Pundits considered that Hart won the debate. History, however, has proven Devlin to be correct.

Let me quote Devlin to you -
“Societies disintegrate from within more frequently than they are broken up by external pressures. There is disintegration when no common morality is observed and history shows that the loosening of moral bonds is often the first stage of disintegration, so that society is justified in taking the same steps to preserve its moral code as it does to preserve its government and other essential institutions…Morality is a sphere in which there is a public interest and a private interest, often in conflict, and the problem is to reconcile the two…No society can do without intolerance, indignation, and disgust; they are the forces behind the moral law,…”
Devlin, Morals and The Criminal Law p 162
Devlin goes on to say that the enforcement of morality will depend upon the levels of indignation that are manifest in a society. In other words, what is it that we can and cannot tolerate as being part of our shared morality. If the ‘glue’ which binds us together is failing, then isn’t it high time that our indignation increased?

Now Robert, instead of standing back and making decisions about which evils are less than some others, which is only condoning evil, why not choose between good and evil and show us your indignation? At this point I would suggest you read, carefully, Oscar(name removed by moderator)a’s post #24.

In Post #29 you also wrote “Compared to Heaven, our world is miserable and corrupt!” My answer to that is “only to the extent you let it be, Robert.”
 
By using or being involved in the porn industry you become part of it by support - you become part of this whole evil empire - it causes suicide , supports drug addiction , slavery , it creates a twisted sexuality in some people , sexual addiction , disrespect - to name just a few.I’m not going to say I have never looked because I have - but in my life now I will not have anything to do with it because I recognize that it is an evil path in life that destroys and corrupts many people and I want no part of it or have it stain my soul and will stand up against it just like all the other issues that twist the souls of people.( drugs , alcohol , abortion , etc).
 
Come on!!! The analogy does fit. If differences are that critical, then your original analogy used a criminal act whereas by original analogy did not.
With pornography, there is actual sexual context, arousal and tension as well as copulation when combined with masturbation. These are constituent elements in the act of sex and there is a strong association between the two. However, with video games, there isn’t any bloodshed, actual violence or weapons, merely a game that utilizes violence as a motivator.

Nonetheless, it has been shown by there is negative consequences of violent video games as demonstrated by researchers at the Indiana University School of Medicine. Brain cans of children who played a violent video game showed increases of emotional arousal – and a corresponding decrease of activity in brain areas involved in self-control, inhibition and attention.
 
Post #10, by KostyaJMJ quotes Augustine, who seemed to think prostitution suppressed capricious lusts. Yet he goes on to suggest that prostitution and its procurement are one by a class of people “…most unchaste in its morals;” and its very existence is *"… by the law of order, it is most vile in social condition."
*. It is rather obvious that his observation is that prostitution may reduce “capricious lust”, yet he explains that the whole scene is most vile and immoral. His observations regarding the need for prostitution is an assumption, yet his condemnation of it is categorical. If you think this somehow condones the evil of immoral sexual relations, then you need to have another think. You are, in fact, condoning others to sin.
Like Augustine, I too see prostitution and pornography as disgusting evils that must some day be eliminated. But right now, in our world of rapid change, they act as a “sewage pipe” that handles our uncontrollable sexual urges.
Post #29 is all yours Robert! It is a classic case of someone putting the cart before the horse. You state that “For whatever reason, our sexuality has become hyper-intense.”. Did it not occur to you that pornography and the relaxation of other sexual mores has actually unleashed what you call “hyper-intense” sexuality? Are you saying that men and women have more testosterone and oestrogen and progesterone than past generations? You are making a gross assumption. There is absolutely no scientific evidence of such a thing. What you are forgetting is that the human sexual drive has always been a powerful one. It is that fact that has made the human race the most successful species on planet earth at any time in recorded history. However, you are forgetting that liscentiousness and lust have always been constrained by a moral code, in all cultural situations, throughout all of recorded history. It is precisely why young couples used to be chaperoned. It is precisely why things like rape and incest have been criminalised. It is precisely why prostitution has been criminalised for much of recorded history. It is why homosexual activity has been frowned on for all of recorded history and even criminalised in various societies at various times.
In the past century we have been undergoing a “sexual revolution” here in the West. Psychologically and physically, we have been exposed to hyper-intense sexuality!!! Look around on this forum and see all the threads that pertain to uncontrollable sexual urges!!! (I know first-hand of these powerful urges and have struggled with them for the most part of my life.)

You also state that these urges used to be under control of moral codes, but it’s obvious that most of these moral codes were enforced through religion and the family. With the breakdown of religion and family, which you must certainly admit has happened, Intense sexual urges have been misdirected, and it’s through porn and masturbation that the raw sexual sewage is controlled today. It’s an outlet that redirects sexual urges away from prostitution and the sexual abuses of various sorts. It’s important to note that during the Victorian era, when sex was under the strict moral codes, there was a rapid surge of sexual abuse toward wives and children.
Today, in our contemporary society, all the old moral codes pertaining to sexuality have been relaxed, even abolished and yet you still can’t see why human sexuality seems to be “hyper intense”. It has been let loose Robert. That’s the problem.
Again, I agree that moral codes have been relaxed. But I also believe it has given way to hyper-intense sexuality. (We can argue here and there are no hard and fast proof either way).
You also point out in Post #29 that the world is undergoing rapid change. What rapid change are you referring to Robert? Technological change? Cultural change? Moral change? All of the above? In the early to mid 20th century people first saw electricity, flying machines, the abandonement of the horse in favour of the car, radio, TV, Jet planes, space ships and a host of other amazing inventions. The rate of change then was way faster than it has been over the past twenty years. Yet the moral code remained intact. So what is the connection between technology and morals, particularly sexual morals? Or is it the case that the latest communication technology has simply catered for all the already degenerating morality? If morality wasn’t degenerating and moral codes weren’t relaxing, the enhanced communications technology wouldn’t matter one iota.
There has been rapid change in virtually all facets of our society which has led to a certain chaos in moral values . The breakdown of moral codes has been happening much longer than the past 20 years. Porn, like Playboy, was popular as early as the 60’s!

(As for the rest of your post, the following is my reply.)
I agree that these moral values must ultimately be reinstated but not coercively. **There must be a change in the person whereby these moral values become a cohesive part of the individual!!! Forced coerciveness was never the answer!!! ** Same holds true with religion. In the past it was blindly past down through the family–it was not truly a part of the person!!! This is what happened to me as a Catholic. Like many, I abandoned the Catholic faith and became an atheist for a good portion of my adult life. But then I came back, but now the Catholic faith was a choice that became a part of me.
 
Like Augustine, I too see prostitution and pornography as disgusting evils that must some day be eliminated. But right now, in our world of rapid change, they act as a “sewage pipe” that handles our uncontrollable sexual urges.
Assumption - that human sexual urges are uncontrollable. false, or else we’d have rape and pillage every night after work. in years gone past not so long ago, young men were taught how to control their manly urges. Can’t speak for the women. :rolleyes:
In the past century we have been undergoing a “sexual revolution” here in the West. Psychologically and physically, we have been exposed to hyper-intense sexuality!!! Look around on this forum and see all the threads that pertain to uncontrollable sexual urges!!!
No Robert, the sexual revolution is not 100 years old. It began in th 1960s. Blame marxism, utilitarianism, and a host of specious moral codes.
(I know first-hand of these powerful urges and have struggled with them for the most part of my life.)
One of your errors is that you subjectify everything. You judge things according to your own experience. Your own experiences are not everyone elses.
You also state that these urges used to be under control of moral codes, but it’s obvious that most of these moral codes were enforced through religion and the family.
Partly true Robert. However, until fairly recent times there was a strong connection between the Law and Morality. Think the Ten Commandments Robert. Not so long ago every single one of them was enshrined in Law. The coercive powers of the state were used to enforce morality. This was the gist of all I wrote about Lord Devlin. It has either gone way over your head, or you haven’t read it properly. The debate between Devlin, a Catholic and Hart, a Protestant Utilitarian, was about the enforcement of morals. Utilitarianism has made great inroads into how our societies are now set up and run. Utilitarianism, as I pointed out with regard to Hart’s philosophy, aimed to take the state’s coercive powers off minority opinions. The result, a relaxed moral code and an increase in moral relativism. The 'hyper-sexualised society you see is merely expressing the greater personal freedom that resulted.
With the breakdown of religion and family, which you must certainly admit has happened, Intense sexual urges have been misdirected, and it’s through porn and masturbation that the raw sexual sewage is controlled today.
Porn and masturbation is not controlling anything Robert. You have only to read the accounts of victims of those two problems to know they are addictions. Addictions totally ensnare their victims and the problem increases.
It’s an outlet that redirects sexual urges away from prostitution and the sexual abuses of various sorts.
You are advocating one form of sexual abuse to control another. That doesn’t compute Robert, because you are just exchanging one evil for another. Again, you base your opinion on your own personla opinion, which is the assumption that sexual urges can’t be controlled. They can.
It’s important to note that during the Victorian era, when sex was under the strict moral codes, there was a rapid surge of sexual abuse toward wives and children.
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Here’s a part of a Victorian England Act of Parliament, the English 1861 Offences Against the Persons Act -
Procuring the Defilement of Girl under Age.
49. Whosoever shall, by false Pretences, false Representations, or other fraudulent Means, procure any Woman or Girl under the Age of Twenty-one Years to have illicit carnal Connexion with any Man, shall be guilty of a Misdemeanor, and being convicted thereof shall be liable, at the Discretion of the Court, to be imprisoned for any Term not exceeding Two Years, with or without Hard Labour.
Carnally knowing a Girl under Ten Years of Age.
50. Whosoever shall unlawfully and carnally know and abuse any Girl under the Age of Ten Years shall be guilty of Felony, and being convicted thereof shall be liable, at the Discretion of the Court, to be kept in Penal Servitude for Life or for any Term not less than Three Years, or to be imprisoned for any Term not exceeding Two Years, with or without Hard Labour.
Carnally knowing a Girl between the Ages of Ten and Twelve.
51. Whosoever shall unlawfully and carnally know and abuse any Girl being above the Age of Ten Years and under the Age of Twelve Years shall be guilty of a Misdemeanor, and being convicted thereof shall be liable, at the Discretion of the Court, to be kept in Penal Servitude for the Term of Three Years, or to be imprisoned for any Term not exceeding Two Years, with or without Hard Labour.
This Victorian Act of Parliament proves something Robert. The English did not provaricate over the problem. They strengthened their moral code by using the coercive powers of the state. According to your argument, they shouldn’t have!
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