Is Praying in Tongues During Consecration an Abuse?

[Nan_S]

I’m answering this last one because you posted it at the same time I was typing my closing note.

Mysty101:

Would you accept as criticism of traditional Catholic worship someone who was reporting events in an Episcopalian service? This is how I see criticism of CCR by those who attend protestant service.

Mysty101:

The praying in tongues - and speaking in tongues - and singing in tongues, is really awesome, especially during the Adoration of the Blessed Sacrament.

The Adoration of the Blessed Sacrament was at the Catholic service. Pentacostals don’t adore the Blessed Sacrament.

And, yes, during Adoration with the Charismatics there is much private prayer tongue-speech in low murmuring, - anywhere I’ve been at Adoration, Charismatic or not, the prayer is mostly private. The nice thing about Adoration with the Charismatic Catholics is that I none of us feel the need to stifle ourselves when we have something to say aloud for the whole group. And, yes, those proclamations ARE interpreted.

Go in peace. The thread is over.
I’ll see you on another thread.
Nan

 

[Mysty101]

Nan S:

SuZ,

I tried to explain that I don’t know whether my Catholic Charismatics in Alexandria are CCR. But they’re the ONLY Catholic charismatics around for literally HUNDREDS of miles. If they’re not CCR, I don’t have any other options.
Nan

Yes, you do—do not slam authentic CCR because you do not have access to it. (and cut the sarcasm)

As to joining my girlfriend at the Protestant group:

1. I can’t skip Catholic Mass that same weekend, or I’d be committing a mortal sin.
2. I go for two reasons: to spend a weekend with a dear friend whom I otherwise never get the chance to see anymore, and to proselytize in favor of the Catholic Church

You are certainly in way over your head on a protestant retreat. If this is the only place your friend will meet with you, I would rethink that friendship.

As to my arguments sounding “Protestant,” well that is probably because I have been spending the last 25 years becoming an amateur “expert” in using the Holy Bible to justify the Catholic Church and her doctrines. When defending the Catholic CHurch to Protestants, I’ve got to start on their level…

As I said before, we cannot free-interpret scripture without authentic guidance. You have yet to show me documentation for your interpretation

Let’s wrap up this thread on a charitable note.

Agreed

 

[Nan_S]

Panis Angelicas:

Amen.
And, Nan S, very impressive research and development there…:tiphat:
I wish we had a smiley who salutes!

Thank you. You just made my whole day.

Nan

 

[Mysty101]

Nan S:

Thank you. You just made my whole day.

Nan

Yes, you both also agree on childish gestures.

 

[Mysty101]

PS Please just answer this question

Originally Posted by Nan
The praying in tongues - and speaking in tongues - and singing in tongues, is really awesome, especially during the Adoration of the Blessed Sacrament

And all these tongues are interpreted?

 

[Mysty101]

Sorry–I missed this one–I am answering because you never know who is lurking
Nan S:

I’m answering this last one because you posted it at the same time I was typing my closing note.

The Adoration of the Blessed Sacrament was at the Catholic service. Pentacostals don’t adore the Blessed Sacrament.

And, yes, during Adoration with the Charismatics there is much private prayer tongue-speech in low murmuring, - anywhere I’ve been at Adoration, Charismatic or not, the prayer is mostly private. Nan

Low murmuring IS a Praise tongue–if it can be heard, it is not any more private any other tongue. And trust me, if there are traditionalists around they will not accept any verbal prayer at adoration.

The nice thing about Adoration with the Charismatic Catholics is that I none of us feel the need to stifle ourselves when we have something to say aloud for the whole group. And, yes, those proclamations ARE interpreted.

And there is authentic discernment? You know nothing about the leadership, yet you trust the discernment?

 

[Church_Militant]

bob:

At a mass celebrated by a “charismatic” priest, he invited those present to pray in tongues during the consecration - at the lifting of the host and again at the lifting of the chalice of wine.

Redemptionis Sacramentum emphasises that Eucharist Prayers are to be unaccompanied.

Is this an abuse?

Yes it is, if they are prayed aloud. See 1st Corinthians 12.
drbo.org/chapter/53012.htm

 

[Baptised_in_Jes]

dumspirospero:

Im sorry…but I still do not fully understand all this Charismatic stuff…and I am completely suspect of all that goes on with them…However, I am not saying there is anything wrong with what they do…just that I have not been completely informed on the workings of their group. I just don’t understand how Catholics could exist for roughly 1,970 years…then all of a sudden bam!!!There are now Charismatic Catholics after VII. Does anyone else find this strange?

The first group to “speak in tongues” were those who were present on the day of Pentecost. Peter (The first Pope) explained what was happening. The reception of the Holy Spirit caused the recepients to “speak in tongues” they did not know. However, others present recognized the languages as being the ones they spoke. Quite an experience…and it still happens today. I have friends who are Nuns…they speak in tongues…speaking in tongues is very edifying and miraculus…so was the resurrection!

 

[SMateja]

Genesis315:

Can someone explain to me why it’s so great to speak in tongues if you’re not a missionary someplace where people don’t speak English? To me it just seems like a way for people to show off and to make people who don’t speak in tongues feel somehow less blessed or holy. I’ve seen a couple threads where people have been upset because they can’t speak in tongues. No good.

I agree 100%, I am from the Ann Arbor area and there is a parish around here that specializes in “The Charismatic renewal.” Many famous people are members there, and many great things happen there, vocations are plentiful, but it just seems a bit out of the norm.

Why do we need to speak in tounges in todays world? When the Apostles did it everyone understood what they were saying. If it were “Holy” why can nobody understand what they are saying, but only a select few?

No to mention the extreme protestant feel to the mass when it is going on, with the song and dance and “warm feel good feeling.” I don’t go to mass for flowers and butterflies, I go to mass to receive the sacraments and sometimes it isn’t flowers and butterflies!

God love you

 

[bluezone7]

Mysty101:

Charismatic is a style of worship, which is definitely not for everyone. However it is an approved movement of the Church.

If it is not for you, try to avoid Charismatic services or Masses–it will be less stressful for all.

I agree with the quote above. The Catholic Church is great because it does allow for different styles of worship for different individuals, peoples, cultures, etc. I mean some old-timers/traditionalist use to the Tridentine Mass (totally said in Latin) probably would not want to attend Eastern Rite Catholic services or the Latin/Western Mass. Just like many in this forum probably would not feel that comfortable at Tridentine Mass unless you regularly attend. I like the Western Mass but I have never attended a Charismatic Mass, an Eastern Rite Mass, or Tridentine Mass; so I cannot say they are not for me!

 

[Mysty101]

Church Militant:

Yes it is, if they are prayed aloud. See 1st Corinthians 12.
drbo.org/chapter/53012.htm

We’ve been through this a few times, both in this thread and others. This is an abuse because it is prayed at a part of Mass when we are told not to pray out loud.

A praise tongue is different from “Speaking” in tongues, and is not interpreted.
But what is your point in 1Cor12?

 

[Mysty101]

Perhaps we could discuss some of the Charismatic Gifts, if anyone is interested, but please discuss the gifts, not rehash personal negative opinions of an approved movement of the Church, or use the childish insulting smilies. (that raspberry)I will go over to Spirituality, if anyone cares to join me.

 

[bob]

Church Militant:

Yes it is, if they are prayed aloud. See 1st Corinthians 12.
drbo.org/chapter/53012.htm

I do not understand you.

1. The only way one can accompany priest saying the Eucharistic Prayers is to say it out loud otherwise it is not accompanying.

This is clearly prohibited by Redemptionis Sacramentum.

1. If you pray in tongues silently how does any one it’s in tongues?
2. Would appreciate if you want to make a point from scriptures, quote the chapter and verse. Not the entire chapter - too much to read.