Why don’t you pray to Mary and the saints?porthos11:
Not that my penances are any of your business… but my priest wouldn’t cause he knows I don’t pray to saints or Mary, so he’d give me a different type of penance…
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annad347
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because I asked my RCIA teacher, and my priest, a few other Catholics I trust who all said I don’t have too… I don’t feel comfortable doing it, nor do I think its necessary for my relationship with God… and every time I pray to God about it, He sends me someone who reminds me I don’t have too for Him to hear me.
And what do you think of Catholics who do and the Church’s teaching on the subject?porthos11:
because I asked my RCIA teacher, and my priest, a few other Catholics I trust who all said I don’t have too… I don’t feel comfortable doing it, nor do I think its necessary for my relationship with God… and every time I pray to God about it, He sends me someone who reminds me I don’t have too for Him to hear me.
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That’s between them and their Savior… just like everything else that has to do with a Catholic that does anything.
They tell me what they do, I tell them what I do… its all good… we both Love God.
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edward_george1
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The Book of Revelation is inspired Scripture. That’s Church teaching. Who exactly the author is has nothing to do with that. The Church considers the Book of Revelation to be canonical and inspired, the Word of God.
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OurLadyofSorrows
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The saints are mentioned frequently in the first few chapters of the book of Revelation. As is prayer and the prayers of the saints.
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OurLadyofSorrows
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It is pretty simple to read some of Revelation and understand what is going on. John explains it himself.
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Fauken
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That has nothing to do with this thread. If you want to start such a discussion, please create another thread.
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Fauken
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In which case they can start another topic about Sola Scriptura. I never said it couldn’t be discussed, I said it needs to be in another topic, as that’s in the rules of this forum.
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Chistian-ity
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Ok.
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annad347
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But isn’t praying to saints suppose to be supported by the bible… that’s all he’s asking.
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q54332
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Exactly I was trying to see if it was supported within the bible, if it’s through tradition that’s fine but I just want the info as I don’t like blindly following anything and I want more info on my religion and Jesus
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Chistian-ity
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(Gen. 20:7), (Job 42:8), (James 5:16-17), (Revelation 5:8), (Revelation 8:3-4). Basically to my understanding, we are all called to pray for each other and to intercede on the behalf of others. Additionally we know that some are rewarded because of another person’s faith (Gen. 18:32), (Mark 2:5). Additionally additionally, we know that the prayers of the faithful are strong (it’s in one of the verses that’s already up there). And since life in heaven is eternal (1 John 2:25) we can offer up prayers to the faithful which we know are already in heaven. Which we know are our “great cloud of witnesses” (Hebrews 12:1) stringing all of these Bible verses together does make a nice case for asking for intercession from the faithful. But as far as I know, there is no specific verse which says something like, “And Sally prayed to saint Martha daily. Asking for intercession because that is the right thing to do.”
Interesting fact, The Bible never explicitly tells of The Trinity, but just by reading The Bible, The Trinity is made very clear.
Interesting fact, The Bible never explicitly tells of The Trinity, but just by reading The Bible, The Trinity is made very clear.
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q54332
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Thank you, God bless you!
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tgGodsway
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Be encouraged to find the voice of Christ in prayer. He alone holds your destiny.
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Psalms62
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Could I ask a question? These debates on the internet are they aware that the Catholic Bible has 46 books of the Old Testament and the 27 books of the New Testament. Comparing to other bibles for instance, the Protestant Bible has only 66 books. Some religions have left out seven books which are Tobit, Judith, Baruch, Wisdom, Sirach, First Maccabees, and Second Maccabees, as well as additional verses of Daniel and Esther.
These books are called the “deuterocanon”, or second canon, by Catholics, and the “apocrypha”
There are other books that have been left out and some of the passages from Psalms. So here is the questions back to you? And, it might be a question towards your online debate?
Not all books were read or perhaps given a thought but some may not have been strong enough to be included with the rest. For one reason or another. So how can one have a honest opinion about praying to the saints if not all books were listed or included or entered into the bible? What are some of the books left out? It make a big difference when discussing scripture.
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I don’t often suggest reading the King James Version, but if you do you’ll find about two dozen places in Genesis alone where people pray to other people.
And it’s clear that we are to pray for each other and ask each other for prayer, and it doesn’t say anywhere that we have to stop asking people to pray for us just because they’re already in heaven.
This Protestant idea that we can’t ask the saints in heaven to pray for us is made-up nonsense.
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@Psalms62, from my understanding the 7 books left out were from the Old Testament and it was because they were written just in Greek and not Hebrew (or visa versa), but years, decades or centuries… the Hebrew (or Greek) writings of those 7 books were found. Why they haven’t been analyzed, authenticated and added is beyond my paid grad… but I just figured it has a lot to do with male stubbornness, pride and ego. (note: that last part is IMO only, I really don’t know)
I haven’t read them all yet (will one day), but someone mentioned the book of 2 Maccabees mentions saints or rather angels praying for us.
I’m sorry, @neophyte, the OT say we should pray to other people or for other people?
I haven’t read them all yet (will one day), but someone mentioned the book of 2 Maccabees mentions saints or rather angels praying for us.
I’m sorry, @neophyte, the OT say we should pray to other people or for other people?
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I’m pointing out that the Bible has many examples of people praying to other people. And I don’t know why you’d need specific permission in the Bible before you’d ask other people to do you a favor.
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Yes, Catholics have a core belief, which should be emphasized to all and is said every Sunday.
Creator of heaven and earth, (Gen 1: 1; Rom 1: 20)
And in Jesus Christ, His only Son, our Lord, (Mt 3: 17; Phil 2: 12)
A good point, although not stated in the bible verbatim “You can pray to the saints!” We know, as with “all other churches”, that when prayers are answered it is that God “heard” those prayers and answered them through the “merits of His son”.
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"Come, Holy Spirit"
"No one can say ‘Jesus is Lord’ except by the Holy Spirit."21 Every time we begin to pray to Jesus it is the Holy Spirit who draws us on the way of prayer by his prevenient grace. Since he teaches us to pray by recalling Christ, how could we not pray to the Spirit too? That is why the Church invites us to call upon the Holy Spirit every day, especially at the beginning and the end of every important action.
If the Spirit should not be worshiped, how can he divinize me through Baptism? If he should be worshiped, should he not be the object of adoration?22
2671 The traditional form of petition to the Holy Spirit is to invoke the Father through Christ our Lord to give us the Consoler Spirit.23 Jesus insists on this petition to be made in his name at the very moment when he promises the gift of the Spirit of Truth.24 But the simplest and most direct prayer is also traditional, “Come, Holy Spirit,” and every liturgical tradition has developed it in antiphons and hymns.
Come, Holy Spirit, fill the hearts of your faithful and enkindle in them the fire of your love.25
Heavenly King, Consoler Spirit, Spirit of Truth, present everywhere and filling all things, treasure of all good and source of all life, come dwell in us, cleanse and save us, you who are All Good."
The Apostles Creed
I believe in God, the Father almighty, (Mt 5 :45)Creator of heaven and earth, (Gen 1: 1; Rom 1: 20)
And in Jesus Christ, His only Son, our Lord, (Mt 3: 17; Phil 2: 12)
A good point, although not stated in the bible verbatim “You can pray to the saints!” We know, as with “all other churches”, that when prayers are answered it is that God “heard” those prayers and answered them through the “merits of His son”.
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"Come, Holy Spirit"
"No one can say ‘Jesus is Lord’ except by the Holy Spirit."21 Every time we begin to pray to Jesus it is the Holy Spirit who draws us on the way of prayer by his prevenient grace. Since he teaches us to pray by recalling Christ, how could we not pray to the Spirit too? That is why the Church invites us to call upon the Holy Spirit every day, especially at the beginning and the end of every important action.
If the Spirit should not be worshiped, how can he divinize me through Baptism? If he should be worshiped, should he not be the object of adoration?22
2671 The traditional form of petition to the Holy Spirit is to invoke the Father through Christ our Lord to give us the Consoler Spirit.23 Jesus insists on this petition to be made in his name at the very moment when he promises the gift of the Spirit of Truth.24 But the simplest and most direct prayer is also traditional, “Come, Holy Spirit,” and every liturgical tradition has developed it in antiphons and hymns.
Come, Holy Spirit, fill the hearts of your faithful and enkindle in them the fire of your love.25
Heavenly King, Consoler Spirit, Spirit of Truth, present everywhere and filling all things, treasure of all good and source of all life, come dwell in us, cleanse and save us, you who are All Good."
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