Is promoting homosexuality "social justice"?

[Joie_de_Vivre]

I am an (older) student at an allegedly Catholic university, and I am totally disgusted. I know that most “Catholic” universities aren’t very Catholic any more, but I can’t believe how far they have fallen. The worst I’ve had to deal with this semester is a professor who keeps bringing up homosexuality in my Interpersonal Communications class and keeps referring to it in the concept of “social justice.” **For this class, we had to read “The Four Loves” by C.S. Lewis, and she stated that Lewis didn’t discuss homosexual love, but that was probably because he was writing in the early 1960s, and that just wasn’t talked about then. **

This is my last semester at this university. I am transferring to the large state university here to complete my degree. I figure it can’t be any worse.

Has she considered that’s because it’s not a different kind?

I think it’s fine to believe that no person should be the target of unjust discrimination because of their religion, race, nationality, gender, or sexual orientation. But is it proper for a Catholic university to “promote” homosexual acts and justify it under the banner of “social justice?”

By analogy, it would be contrary to the mission of the Church to allow one of its universities (or a professor teaching for one of those universities) to “promote” Islam at a Catholic university under the rationale that doing so is “social justice.” But it would be a matter of social justice to ensure that both Muslim students and Catholic students in attendance are, e.g. graded under the same set of standards, and that no students are discriminated against in regard to housing, or finances, etc., because of their religion. The same should hold true regarding moral doctrine, shouldn’t it?

Peace,
Robert

Georgetown has an imam on staff, do you have a problem with that?

Homosexuality is not a race, gender or religion, it’s a behavior. Homosexuals have the right to go to confession do penance and change their behavior.

Social justice is about how the general society treats its various subsectors.

These subsectors are normally defined by aspects of human life that are not chosen: Gender, race, ethnicity, age, poverty, etc.

Homosexuality is a life-definition that is chosen. Someone may be born with certain desires, but acting upon them is purely and simply a choice.

So it is no more a matter of “social justice” than are the demands of smokers, beer drinkers, etc.

No one should be persecuted, but special rights based on one’s sexual longings is not an issue of social justice.

IMNAAHO.

ICXC NIKA

homosexual |ˌhōməˈsek sh oōəl|
adjective
(of a person) sexually attracted to people of one’s own sex.
• involving or characterized by sexual attraction between people of the same sex : homosexual desire.
noun
a person who is sexually attracted to people of their own sex.
DERIVATIVES
homosexuality |-ˌsek sh oōˈalitē| noun
homosexually adverb
ORIGIN late 19th cent.: from homo- ‘same’ + sexual .

OP,
There is very little that I can add here that has not already been said or at least alluded to. However I would suggest doing a bit further research into “Catholic Social Justice on Homosexuality”. You have to consider that in just about every major city there are “self identified homosexuals” who are economically depressed and depend on primarily Catholic programs such as soup kitchens, utility assistance, clothing closets, Knights of Columbus funded homeless shelters etc in order to meet their basic needs.
It would be against the charism of charity to SELECTIVELY offer these services whether the person in need is sexually attracted to the same gender or goats for that matter. In this sense there are many social justice programs that do in fact rightfully include self identified homosexuals in their benificiaries.
It is also important to adress the use of the word “homosexual”. It has already been correctly said in this thread that the word refers to an act not an identity. When a person tells me they are a homosexual I always correct them and say “No, you are a child of God- a human.” Part of any social justice program should also include education. So there is also a possiblity that in lending our hands to those with same sex attraction, we can educate and reform anyone who is living in any form of sin.
I hope this helps provide some perspective. Now PROMOTING homosexual acts is a different story…I wouldn’t even promote heterosexual acts outside the sanctity of marriage…

Congratulations, you are buggering the word homosexual, that’s irony a hipster could appreciate.

There is no constitutional basis to assert that gender identity or marriage is a civil right.

But if it is said over and over again, college students believe it.

This is why I believe strongly that The entire faculty of any Catholic school, college or university should consist of ONLY practicing Catholics.

Well, Lovings v. Virginia sort of did establish a right to marriage.

 

[Michael_Allen]

Was it just to imprison homosexuals?

If not, then there certainly has been important social justice issues concerning sexuality.

I think most people now, most Catholics even, would not want a return to imprisoning people just because they have had a homosexual relationship.

I suspect social justice issues are seen more clearly with hindsight. Time often gives a clearer perspective. I think it will probably take 10-20 years for us to gain a more reflective perspective, whatever the view is, of the big questions of today. But I do think the questions of today are ones that would generally be called questions of ‘social justice’, no matter which side of the fence we sit.

 

[gam197]

I am an (older) student at an allegedly Catholic university, and I am totally disgusted. I know that most “Catholic” universities aren’t very Catholic any more, but I can’t believe how far they have fallen. The worst I’ve had to deal with this semester is a professor who keeps bringing up homosexuality in my Interpersonal Communications class and keeps referring to it in the concept of “social justice.” For this class, we had to read “The Four Loves” by C.S. Lewis, and she stated that Lewis didn’t discuss homosexual love, but that was probably because he was writing in the early 1960s, and that just wasn’t talked about then.

This is my last semester at this university. I am transferring to the large state university here to complete my degree. I figure it can’t be any worse.

Bishop Fulton Sheen made a statement about catholic schools - something like this. If you want the children to learn to defend their faith send them to public schools, if you want their faith undermined, send them to catholic schools.

Homosexuality is not social justice. Gay rights is activism that is being promoting so that the culture will accept gay rights including gay marriage. Sadly catholic universities have many who are not catholic.

May God bless you in striving to live a catholic life.

 

[drac16]

Well, I think that pushing for anti-bullying laws and doing everything we can to protect homosexuals from hate crimes is social justice, but as for promoting homosexual acts, there is no justice in that. It’s no different from promoting any other sin; it’s destructive.

 

[Joie_de_Vivre]

Was it just to imprison homosexuals?

If not, then there certainly has been important social justice issues concerning sexuality.

**I think most people now, most Catholics even, would not want a return to imprisoning people just because they have had a homosexual relationship.
**
I suspect social justice issues are seen more clearly with hindsight. Time often gives a clearer perspective. I think it will probably take 10-20 years for us to gain a more reflective perspective, whatever the view is, of the big questions of today. But I do think the questions of today are ones that would generally be called questions of ‘social justice’, no matter which side of the fence we sit.

Quite a few people here were very supportive of Uganda and Nigeria which have charming laws which can send people to prison for the heinous crime of a man kissing another man or being seen holding hands

 

[Zoltan_Cobalt]

Originally Posted by Zoltan Cobalt View Post
There is no constitutional basis to assert that gender identity or marriage is a civil right.

Well, Lovings v. Virginia sort of did establish a right to marriage.

“Sort of”…??? Even that’s a stretch.

Lovings v. Virginia was about interracial marriages. It would be a false premise to equate that with same sex marriage because there is no difference between black people and white people, while there are enormous differences between males and females.

 

[Zoltan_Cobalt]

Is heterosexuality a “behavior” too?

No.
These are both sexual orientations, not behaviors…

Says who?

I am weary of having the opposition define terms.

Heterosexuality is the NORMAL and NATURAL attraction and mating of NORMAL and NATURAL male and female human beings.

Homosexuality is a DISORDERED BEHAVIOR.

 

[RosslynV]

I don’t think it’s wise to promote homosexual activities.

These are very damaging to the human spirit.

–great user name… I’m burnt out on these type of threads.

 

[Zoltan_Cobalt]

Someone can be homosexual --aka always have had same-sex attraction–but never have sex.
How can it be an “act” then? It isn’t. Having sex is an act.

If they are not engaging in homosexual sex, why openly admit to the world that one is homosexual? Why not go through life as a celibate single person???

Both homosexuals and heterosexuals are “children of God” and “a human”. I do hope you tell heterosexual this as well.
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You omitted pedophiles, sadomasochists and zoosexuals. Where do they stand?

 

[Zoltan_Cobalt]

As you know, as per Catholic church teaching, a person can be homosexual and never express sinful “behavior”.
Just like an unmarried heterosexual who never has sex–they aren’t expressing sinful “behavior” either.
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Then why the (Homo/Hetro) “labels”? Are we not talking about a celibate single person?

 

[Zoltan_Cobalt]

I assume there are a lot of people, both homosexual and heterosexual, who go through life without ever having sex and without ever “openly admitting” they are attracted to the same sex or the opposite sex.
Perhaps the topic never comes up. But it usually does.
So if someone asks them about it, they should lie? What for?
There is nothing to be ashamed of either way.
If a heterosexual person is Catholic and unmarried and goes their entire life being celibate…is that something they should not “openly admit to the world”?
If someone asks them, they can be honest about it. Same with someone who has a homosexual orientation.

And of course, many people who are not married and still have sex–be they homosexual or heterosexual–openly admit that, too. If they don’t follow a religion that teaches it is wrong or disordered, they are living by different beliefs than you are.
As you know, there is more than one religion or belief system in the world.

But I only accept one.

Each one of those is a completely separate category from each other, and also totally unrelated to homosexuality or heterosexuality.
A person can be a sadomasochist and still be a devout Catholic.
A pedophile hurts children and those acts are against the law.
Zoosexual? That is illegal too, I assume.

Neither of the above is related to being homo or hetero sexual. One can be either and be one of the three, above.

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I only mentioned the above perversions because they seem to be regular guests at Gay Pride parades and therefore somewhat related…

 

[SMGS127]

Says who?

I am weary of having the opposition define terms.

The Catholic Church, in papal statements and in the Catechism, directly refer to gay people as “homosexuals,” regardless of whether they are chaste or active. Do you consider the Church the opposition?

2359 Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.

vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_19861001_homosexual-persons_en.html

– entitled “LETTER TO THE BISHOPS OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH ON THE PASTORAL CARE OF HOMOSEXUAL PERSONS”

 

[Zoltan_Cobalt]

Yes, but the celibate single person can still be either homosexual or heterosexual.
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Only when they engage in sexual relations. Until then they would really be only potentially sexual individuals.

 

[SMGS127]

Only when they engage in sexual relations. Until then they would really be only potentially sexual individuals.

That’s nitpicking. You will be hard-pressed to find sources that would agree with you. Virtually every dictionary, advocacy groups on both sides of the issue, and the Church all use “homosexual” to describe attractions, not behavior.

 

[Zoltan_Cobalt]

The Catholic Church, in papal statements and in the Catechism, directly refer to gay people as “homosexuals,” regardless of whether they are chaste or active. Do you consider the Church the opposition?

vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_19861001_homosexual-persons_en.html

– entitled “LETTER TO THE BISHOPS OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH ON THE PASTORAL CARE OF HOMOSEXUAL PERSONS”

I said: "Homosexuality is a DISORDERED BEHAVIOR."

Is that not in the CCC???

 

[SMGS127]

I only mentioned the above perversions because they seem to be regular guests at Gay Pride parades and therefore somewhat related…

Pedophiles and zoophiles are not welcome at Pride parades at all . That’s just calumny.

Gay people have nothing to do with either pedophilia or zoophilia, and they are no more likely than straight people to be into S&M. You’re drawing ridiculous comparisons.

 

[SMGS127]

I said: "Homosexuality is a DISORDERED BEHAVIOR."

Is that not in the CCC???

It is not. The CCC says “tradition has always declared that ‘homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered.’”

Acts = behavior. This is not referencing homosexuality in general.

 

[Zoltan_Cobalt]

Pedophiles and zoophiles are not welcome at Pride parades at all . That’s just calumny.

Gay people have nothing to do with either pedophilia or zoophilia, and they are no more likely than straight people to be into S&M. You’re drawing ridiculous comparisons.

You have not been to San Francisco…

 

[SMGS127]

You have not been to San Francisco…

I have actually been to San Francisco. If you’re thinking of the Fulsom Street Fair, that’s not even an LGBT event. That’s an S&M event specifically .

I suggest you actively seek out LGBT groups or festivals to meet LGBT people firsthand. You seem to have all sorts of negative stereotypes about them.

 

[Zoltan_Cobalt]

It is not. The CCC says “tradition has always declared that ‘homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered.’”

Acts = behavior. This is not referencing homosexuality in general.

…and who commits homosexual “acts”…if not homosexuals…and is that not homosexuality in itself??