Is promoting homosexuality "social justice"?

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SMGS127 said:
It is not. The CCC says “tradition has always declared that ‘homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered.’”

Acts = behavior. This is not referencing homosexuality in general.
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Oh, well let me rephrase that.

Homosexuality leads to 'homosexual actsthat are intrinsically disordered.

How’s that?
 
Zoltan_Cobalt said:
…and who commits homosexual “acts”…if not homosexuals…and is that not homosexuality in itself??
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Well heterosexuals, bisexuals, and/or homosexuals can commit homosexual acts. It’s just a matter of likelihood. I knew quite a few heterosexual friends in college who “experimented” with them and realized their initial thoughts about their sexuality were correct.

Homosexuality/homosexual/gay = attractions.

Homosexual acts/same-sex physicality = behavior.
 
Zoltan_Cobalt said:
Oh, well let me rephrase that.

Homosexuality leads to 'homosexual actsthat are intrinsically disordered.

How’s that?
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Not necessarily. As a lesbian, your statement would mean I was bound to have sex with other women because my orientation “leads” to it naturally. I would object to that and say that, despite being homosexual, I can most certainly abstain from homosexual acts and be chaste and a moral, practicing Catholic :).
 
SMGS127 said:
I have actually been to San Francisco. If you’re thinking of the Fulsom Street Fair, that’s not even an LGBT event. That’s an S&M event specifically :rolleyes:.

I suggest you actively seek out LGBT groups or festivals to meet LGBT people firsthand. You seem to have all sorts of negative stereotypes about them.
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No I’m talking bout THE Gay Pride Day parade and the very prominent North American Man/Boy Love Association (NAMBLA) float that I have seen twice.
 
Zoltan_Cobalt said:
No I’m talking bout THE Gay Pride Day parade and the very prominent North American Man/Boy Love Association (NAMBLA) float that I have seen twice.
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Dude, NAMBLA doesn’t even exist anymore. So how would you see their float at a Gay Pride event? 🤷
 
SMGS127 said:
Not necessarily. As a lesbian, your statement would mean I was bound to have sex with other women because my orientation “leads” to it naturally. I would object to that and say that, despite being homosexual, I can most certainly abstain from homosexual acts and be chaste and a moral, practicing Catholic :).
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That’s true, but homosexual “acts” would be the only "acts’ any self-respecting homosexual/lesbian would engage in.

The potential for grave disorder is right there.
 
Zoltan_Cobalt said:
That’s true, but homosexual “acts” would be the only "acts’ any self-respecting homosexual/lesbian would engage in.

The potential for grave disorder is right there.
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Are you suggesting that I would not be self-respecting if I married a dude and had children? I take offense to that, as I would think that would be the MOST self-respecting sexual thing a woman could do, whether straight OR lesbian. And the most self-respecting sexual thing any man could do would be to marry a woman and have children. The only alternative that respects oneself is to be celibate 🤷.
 
SMGS127 said:
Are you suggesting that I would not be self-respecting if I married a dude and had children? I take offense to that, as I would think that would be the MOST self-respecting sexual thing a woman could do, whether straight OR lesbian. And the most self-respecting sexual thing any man could do would be to marry a woman and have children. The only alternative that respects oneself is to be celibate 🤷.
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No, don’t take it that way at all.

My assumption is that you ARE a self-respecting lesbian. Nothing to do with having children.
 
Zoltan_Cobalt said:
No, don’t take it that way at all.

My assumption is that you ARE a self-respecting lesbian. Nothing to do with having children.
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You said that self-respecting gay people would only engage in homosexual acts. I’m not quite sure how I misread that, but if you’re taking that comment back, then I will accept your statement.
 
SMGS127 said:
You said that self-respecting gay people would only engage in homosexual acts. I’m not quite sure how I misread that, but if you’re taking that comment back, then I will accept your statement.
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I’ll take it back if it offends you in any way…but

If homosexual people engaged in any other kind of sexual acts…then they wouldn’t be homosexuals…right? 🙂
 
Zoltan_Cobalt said:
If homosexual people engaged in any other kind of sexual acts…then they wouldn’t be homosexuals…right? 🙂
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Sure they would 🤷. It’s easier for lesbians to hide their sexuality when in rough areas of the US (no sexual performance issues and all that). Girls are also less uptight about experimenting with their sexuality in general. Now keep in mind ALL of this sexual activity that I’m discussing is immoral; don’t think I don’t believe that or anything. I’m just trying to explain why straight people commit homosexual acts and why homosexual people commit straight acts.

To add on, before I was Catholic, I tried to convince myself I really, truly could like guys the same way that I do girls, and I just wasn’t trying hard enough. Well, newsflash, I can’t/couldn’t. But that doesn’t mean I lost my lesbian card because I slept with a guy.

Now I’m in a much better place. I accept that, were I ever to have a boyfriend, I’d have to refuse to compare him to how my lesbian relationships were, and only focus on the parts of the relationship that I could enjoy in a strong fashion (which is mainly the emotional aspect, which is luckily very different and not-comparable to lesbian relationships). But I most certainly would be a lesbian dating a guy, not suddenly heterosexual.
 
SMGS127 said:
Sure they would 🤷. It’s easier for lesbians to hide their sexuality when in rough areas of the US (no sexual performance issues and all that). Girls are also less uptight about experimenting with their sexuality in general. Now keep in mind ALL of this sexual activity that I’m discussing is immoral; don’t think I don’t believe that or anything. I’m just trying to explain why straight people commit homosexual acts and why homosexual people commit straight acts.

To add on, before I was Catholic, I tried to convince myself I really, truly could like guys the same way that I do girls, and I just wasn’t trying hard enough. Well, newsflash, I can’t/couldn’t. But that doesn’t mean I lost my lesbian card because I slept with a guy.

Now I’m in a much better place. I accept that, were I ever to have a boyfriend, I’d have to refuse to compare him to how my lesbian relationships were, and only focus on the parts of the relationship that I could enjoy in a strong fashion (which is mainly the emotional aspect, which is luckily very different and not-comparable to lesbian relationships). But I most certainly would be a lesbian dating a guy, not suddenly heterosexual.
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OK. bottom line…

Its Easter Sunday evening and I still haven’t found all of my eggs…I gotta go…

You are a Catholic lesbian…are you celibate?

If you are it must be difficult and you have my prayers…if not…you REALLY have my prayers.
 
Zoltan_Cobalt said:
OK. bottom line…

Its Easter Sunday evening and I still haven’t found all of my eggs…I gotta go…

You are a Catholic lesbian…are you celibate?

If you are it must be difficult and you have my prayers…if not…you REALLY have my prayers.
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Most definitely celibate, at least for now. Either way, I won’t be dating any girls again, don’t worry. I’m an orthodox Catholic. I’m just pointing out that many orthodox Catholics still identify as LGBT, since it’s based on one’s attractions.
 
Just how are we defining “promote”? The possibilities are vast. I really think “promote” is a code word used by the far right that can mean what they want it to.

To some promote can mean to allow homosexuals and lesbians to exist without prosecution. To others it may mean renting a room for them, buying condoms, and turning down the sheets. Who is to say, and who gets to say? :confused:

I think a more specific definition is needed.

BTW, I am a moderate Republican. No Democrat and no tea party member either.
 
andrewstx said:
Just how are we defining “promote”? The possibilities are vast. I really think “promote” is a code word used by the far right that can mean what they want it to.

To some promote can mean to allow homosexuals and lesbians to exist without prosecution. To others it may mean renting a room for them, buying condoms, and turning down the sheets. Who is to say, and who gets to say? :confused:

I think a more specific definition is needed.

BTW, I am a moderate Republican. No Democrat and no tea party member either.
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Promote - in a US context - clearly means more than advocating for freedom from prosecution, since I believe that is already the case in the entire, or at least the vast majority of, the US.

To promote that homosexuals be free from unjust discrimination is a social justice cause, and it is good and proper. To promote that various other legal accommodations for homosexual couples be available may constitute a social justice cause, but to assess that, one would need to know the specifics.

I am somewhat mystified as to why you mention your affiliation to a US political party.
 
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