Is Protestantism by its nature promote Relativism?

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Based on my observation Protestantism promote Relativism indirectly. It is traditional that if a Church goers disagrees with the pastors, he leaves the church and creates his own and form his or her doctrine, and claim their Church teaches the truth.

Does anyone noticed this pattern?
 
Based on my observation Protestantism promote Relativism indirectly. It is traditional that if a Church goers disagrees with the pastors, he leaves the church and creates his own and form his or her doctrine, and claim their Church teaches the truth.

Does anyone noticed this pattern?
I’ve noticed that too. Sometimes I think it would be fun to invent a denomination, you know, just for kicks. I wouldn’t actually promote or believe in it though, it would just be weekend project. Or perhaps I could write my own Gospel … 👍
 
Yes, I have noticed that. Subjective judgement without an authoritative external standard leads to relativism, and then down that path to many other things like it.
 
Based on my observation Protestantism promote Relativism indirectly. It is traditional that if a Church goers disagrees with the pastors, he leaves the church and creates his own and form his or her doctrine, and claim their Church teaches the truth.

Does anyone noticed this pattern?
Perhaps, Manny , you might want to expand on what you mean by Protestantism.

I would not leave my parish based on the pastor, unless he was teaching in a way inconsistent with scripture and the Lutheran Confessions. And then, it would only be after attempts to bring intervention from the synod had failed, which would then lead me to a Lutheran Church that is consistent with the above.

Confessional Lutherans will rarely leave for a non-Lutheran Church. If they do, then by definition, they are not confessional Lutherans. For a confessional Lutheran, joining a reformed, or Baptist, or non-denom congregation, is not an option, as they do not hold to the Augsburg Confession.

Jon
 
I think there is a process of working up to the correct religion. For example, I know people who have started as Evangelicals and then joined the Methodists, then moved up to The One True Church:)!
 
Based on my observation Protestantism promote Relativism indirectly. It is traditional that if a Church goers disagrees with the pastors, he leaves the church and creates his own and form his or her doctrine, and claim their Church teaches the truth.

Does anyone noticed this pattern?
Frankly, I have noticed this phenomenon regarding some of my non-Catholic Christian friends. Although not all Protestant faiths promote such relativism as JonNC pointed out.
 
Then why the need to start entire new churches?
Why do you call it a “need”?

The question was too vague. I don’t personally know anyone who has ever started his/her own church. I know that it happens, but I have never met a denominational founder.

But the question was whether Protestantism promotes relativism.

One must first begin with what one means by “Protestantism” and then secondly by “relativism.”
 
I’m inclined to believe that it began with the Enlightenment and has had its biggest proponents to be Protestants, but I’m not sure I’m ready to singlehandedly say that all Protestant sectarians promote it. It is something I have thought about from time to time.

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Based on my observation Protestantism promote Relativism indirectly. It is traditional that if a Church goers disagrees with the pastors, he leaves the church and creates his own and form his or her doctrine, and claim their Church teaches the truth.

Does anyone noticed this pattern?
I disagree somewhat. If this were relativism i.e. “that’s true for you but not for me”, the differing truths would be treated with tolerate or acceptance under the same roof, not the desire to create another church. In this example, the protestant church goer feels so strongly that he must leave because it violates his interpretation of Truth from Scripture. In my opinion, if this were true relativism, then both versions of the Truth would be accepted under the same roof, not needing to be separated.
 
I disagree somewhat. If this were relativism i.e. “that’s true for you but not for me”, the differing truths would be treated with tolerate or acceptance under the same roof, not the desire to create another church. In this example, the protestant church goer feels so strongly that he must leave because it violates his interpretation of Truth from Scripture. In my opinion, if this were true relativism, then both versions of the Truth would be accepted under the same roof, not needing to be separated.
But I think the differing “truths” are, indeed, tolerated under the same roof which is called Protestantism.
 
But I think the differing “truths” are, indeed, tolerated under the same roof which is called Protestantism.
This comment is hypocritical. It is funny how catholics can accuse protestants of holding “differing truths” and yet when catholics are shown to also hold a whole host of differing views on various issues of theology, their excuse is, "Well, this is permitted because there is no ‘official’ statement from our church on those particular topics . . . "

Oh, that expains it! :rolleyes:

So then, I guess, until their church leaders finally make up their minds as to whether a thing should be regarded as truth or not, all catholics are encouraged to simply tolerate one another in their differing truths. Sounds like relativism to me . . .
Yes, I have noticed that. Subjective judgement without an authoritative external standard leads to relativism, and then down that path to many other things like it.
I agree.

But just so you know, Protestants do have an authoritative external standard of truth, and that is the Holy Bible, the same standard of truth upon which the Christian Church has stood for the last 2000 years. 👍

My only question is this:

What does your infallible teaching magesterium actually accomplish for you in the final analysis? At the end of the day, you still have to interpret your magesterium, and the last time I checked, not all catholics can agree as to what the “offical” statements of your church actually mean.

The truth is, your interpretation process is only one step removed from ours, and therefore, it is in no way safe-guarded from the “subjective judgment” of which you so condemningly speak.
 
This comment is hypocritical. It is funny how catholics can accuse protestants of holding “differing truths” and yet when catholics are shown to also hold a whole host of differing views on various issues of theology, their excuse is, "Well, this is permitted because there is no ‘official’ statement from our church on those particular topics . . . "

Oh, that expains it! :rolleyes:

So then, I guess, until their church leaders finally make up their minds as to whether a thing should be regarded as truth or not, all catholics are encouraged to simply tolerate one another in their differing truths. Sounds like relativism to me . . .

I agree.

But just so you know, Protestants do have an authoritative external standard of truth, and that is the Holy Bible, the same standard of truth upon which the Christian Church has stood for the last 2000 years. 👍

My only question is this:

What does your infallible teaching magesterium actually accomplish for you in the final analysis? At the end of the day, you still have to interpret your magesterium, and the last time I checked, not all catholics can agree as to what the “offical” statements of your church actually mean.

The truth is, your interpretation process is only one step removed from ours, and therefore, it is in no way safe-guarded from the “subjective judgment” of which you so condemningly speak.
how can the Bible be authoritative? if one protestant denomination interprets it one way, and another protestant denomination interprets it another way, how does the Bible say who’s right or wrong?

that is why the Church is need. the Apostles and their successors taught without any scripture for at least 30 years. and for another 300 years after, there was no official canon of Scripture. but Christianity thrived not because of Scripture, but because of the Church. Jesus passed his Authority to the Apostles, who then passed it on to their successors. Jesus didn’t pass the authority to written text
 
how can the Bible be authoritative? if one protestant denomination interprets it one way, and another protestant denomination interprets it another way, how does the Bible say who’s right or wrong?..
Why does this matter? Why do humans need to establish a hierarchy of correctness with their religions?
 
I have a question for Catholics on this website. Why are you guys utterly obsessed with the label of “Relativism?” Seriously… every thread about stuff that’s non-Catholic is blamed on, labeled, or otherwise inferred to be relativistic. I can only assume its because its easy to label things, like labeling things demonic which is another little quirk that people have on these forums.

I would posit that by calling relativism a bad thing you are belittling the majesty and scope of God’s truth to a neat simple little package that’s nice and easy and black and white. Get your hands dirty for goodness sakes!
 
Relativism is opposite of objective truth. That means, in relativism, there is no right or wrong. In public life, “I can do whatever I want”. In religion, I can believe whatever I want.

John Paul II authored, ‘Veritatis Splendor’…the Splendor of Truth to in defense of objective truth.

If you are a parent of teenagers, the world is teaching them not to believe in anything absolute…nihilism…religion causes the most wars, etc.

So people with dependents and loved ones get particularly afflicted with subjective relativism…liberalism…

…the individual is the base of society, not the family…another feeder.
 
Relativism is opposite of objective truth. That means, in relativism, there is no right or wrong. In public life, “I can do whatever I want”. In religion, I can believe whatever I want.

John Paul II authored, ‘Veritatis Splendor’…the Splendor of Truth to in defense of objective truth.

If you are a parent of teenagers, the world is teaching them not to believe in anything absolute…nihilism…religion causes the most wars, etc.

So people with dependents and loved ones get particularly afflicted with subjective relativism…liberalism…

…the individual is the base of society, not the family…another feeder.
Just because one believes in relativism doesn’t mean there aren’t absolute truths. Murder is bad, Theft is bad, etc etc. moral relativism doesn’t mean that anything is free to go, it relies on experience and reason to determine what is beyond those absolutes. Allowances must be made, the world and truth is not black and white. Even the Catholic Church concedes some relativistic ideas. Salvation can be found outside of the RCC, Communion to non Catholics can be given in some circumstances, allowances are made. Mercy is an important part of Christianity that could perhaps use a little resurgence. Is it more difficult to make some determinations yourself? Absolutely, but then again whats the point of a mind if God forbids its use?
 
Relativism consents to abortion, euthanasia, chimeras. It consents to hopelessness…kids are going to do it anyway, when our culture did not have the tremendous social problems 40 years ago that we are having now.

In recent times, it is relativism that says it is OK people manipulate votes, deliberately plunder the benefits system because different people have different social mores, so let them do ‘their thing’.

So you have at present our state of government, a divided country…and no common base.

I have to look at relativism for what it is and how it is impacted real life.

I am no friend to relativism because it creates indifference, ‘loose’ living, broken homes, and death.
 
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