Is Protestantism , in it's nature, a heresy?

[Wandile]

For all who are interested… I ask if you could take a look at my new thread : Filioque : "who proceeds from the Father and the Son

I know it will be thoroughly interesting.

Thanks

 

[silverdenali]

Ideas can be heretical without their adherents being guilty, at least to the same extent as first-generation converts would be.

All good to me. Just saying “heretics” gave us some high quality hymns that have lived on & will live on & on.

 

[Trebor135]

I speak Spanish.

Well, get packing then! (Please note the emoticon.)

 

[Trebor135]

I find this highly offensive.

I apologize.

I am a latin american who came to the Catholic Church by help of the Holy Spirit alone. The Holy Spirit guided me through individuals, events, and other actions back to the Church.

Great. I never claimed that such was impossible, however.

You can only help present the Word of God to others,

At the end of Matthew chapter twenty-eight, Jesus tells his disciples to go to the ends of the earth and teach everyone what he has commanded them–i.e., he wants the eleven to spread his message themselves and have others do the same. What we see here is that God typically works through others to bring information about him to those who lack it, rather than appearing to us in a direct and personal way.

but ultimately God will guide them where He wants them (and if they are open to God) to be.

I definitely agree.

You cannot be the “holy spirit” in the lifer of others.

Amen. But if no one is available to speak to them in such a fashion that the Holy Spirit can work through, there’s a lower likelihood that the new Protestants will be brought back to apostolic Christianity. All of North and South America were animistic and pagan before the arrival of the Europeans, after all (Protestantism is, of course, light years away from non-Christian religions).

 

[Patavium]

I do not disagree with presenting the Word of God, but to say that WE convert them? I’m sorry, God does. It reminds me to the famous answer from Archbishop Fulton Sheen when asked about how many he has converted because of his show?, and he said something along the lines that he didn’t even dare to count such as to avoid thinking HE converted them and not God.

 

[Trebor135]

I do not disagree with presenting the Word of God, but to say that WE convert them? I’m sorry, God does. It reminds me to the famous answer from Archbishop Fulton Sheen when asked about how many he has converted because of his show?, and he said something along the lines that he didn’t even dare to count such as to avoid thinking HE converted them and not God.

Well, we’re talking past each other then. I was using the term “convert” in an instrumental sense–i.e., “help God do his job”.

One can thank a doctor for their work even though it was really the medication/God that caused the patient to recover. Yet, the physician isn’t being given too much credit for the role he played in the process, and the tablets/the Old Man Upstairs aren’t being denied the credit they deserve for actually effecting the healing.

 

[CopticChristian]

Well, we’re talking past each other then. I was using the term “convert” in an instrumental sense–i.e., “help God do his job”.

One can thank a doctor for their work even though it was really the medication/God that caused the patient to recover. Yet, the physician isn’t being given too much credit for the role he played in the process, and the tablets/the Old Man Upstairs aren’t being denied the credit they deserve for actually effecting the healing.

Trebor,

I understood you…

7So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase. 8Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour. 9For we are labourers together with God: ye are God’s husbandry, ye are God’s building.

 

[Trebor135]

Trebor,

I understood you…

I may not always be the best at communicating my ideas at times.

Quick questions–are you actually affiliated with the Coptic rite? If so, how did you become interested in Oriental Christianity (unless your family is of that affiliation)?

(You can respond by private message if you so wish.)

 

[CopticChristian]

I may not always be the best at communicating my ideas at times.

Quick questions–are you actually affiliated with the Coptic rite? If so, how did you become interested in Oriental Christianity (unless your family is of that affiliation)?

(You can respond by private message if you so wish.)

choice.

 

[BenedictFTW]

I do not disagree with presenting the Word of God, but to say that WE convert them? I’m sorry, God does. It reminds me to the famous answer from Archbishop Fulton Sheen when asked about how many he has converted because of his show?, and he said something along the lines that he didn’t even dare to count such as to avoid thinking HE converted them and not God.

Our duty as Catholics is to evangelise every chance we get. The Word is like a mustard seed. If something you say about Jesus and our faith sticks, then it will grow. To say that God converts the person is true, but it is only half of it. That is why Jesus told the Apostles to 'go out and teach all nations". We are the carriers, if you like. God uses us to convert. We unite ourselves with God for the purposes of glorifying Him - as Jesus taught us.

 

[Patavium]

Our duty as Catholics is to evangelise every chance we get. The Word is like a mustard seed. If something you say about Jesus and our faith sticks, then it will grow. To say that God converts the person is true, but it is only half of it. That is why Jesus told the Apostles to 'go out and teach all nations". We are the carriers, if you like. God uses us to convert. We unite ourselves with God for the purposes of glorifying Him - as Jesus taught us.

I never disagreed with this, but thanks for clarifying further. The issue is I wanted to make clear that WE are not converting.

 

[Holly3278]

The Protestant Reformers who left the Catholic Church in order to start their own religion were definitely heretics. As for the Christians who were originally Catholic but left Catholicism for Protestantism, they could be considered heretics as well. However, if a person was born into the Protestant religion then they could not be considered heretics.

 

[Patavium]

CCC

2089 Incredulity is the neglect of revealed truth or the willful refusal to assent to it. “Heresy is the obstinate post-baptismal denial of some truth which must be believed with divine and catholic faith, or it is likewise an obstinate doubt concerning the same; apostasy is the total repudiation of the Christian faith; schism is the refusal of submission to the Roman Pontiff or of communion with the members of the Church subject to him.”