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jinc1019
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If I, knowing the Church’s teaching on papal infallibility, reject papal infallibility privately because I believe it is not true for specific historical reasons, am I committing a mortal sin?
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underacloud
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I’m pretty sure we’ve been down this road with you before…
Ah, yes, here it is:
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=732992
There was plenty of healthy debate in that thread for you to review. There’s nothing anyone could really add to that. But I suggest you make an appointment to discuss this with your priest, and he can advise you regarding your capacity to properly receive the Eucharist.
Ah, yes, here it is:
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=732992
There was plenty of healthy debate in that thread for you to review. There’s nothing anyone could really add to that. But I suggest you make an appointment to discuss this with your priest, and he can advise you regarding your capacity to properly receive the Eucharist.
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jinc1019
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That thread didn’t address this question at all. So no, we didn’t go over this. I don’t believe you will find an answer in that thread about whether this is a mortal sin or not…and I never asked in that thread if it was.
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pablope
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You should take this to a priest, or your spiritual director.
It is Holy Week…you should spend this time in deep reflection. I would say, respect the Eucharist and not receive communion till you talk to a priest.
1Sam15:
22 But Samuel replied:
“Does the LORD delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices
as much as in obeying the LORD?
To obey is better than sacrifice,
and to heed is better than the fat of rams.
23 For rebellion is like the sin of divination,
and arrogance like the evil of idolatry.
Because you have rejected the word of the LORD,
he has rejected you as king.”
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jinc1019
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I am not asking if I should receive communion. I know I shouldn’t. I am asking is it a mortal sin?
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pablope
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Talk to a priest…and obey what he tells you.
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jinc1019
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That has nothing to do with the question.
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jinc1019
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As you know, a priest can instruct you in a matter and be wrong. Just because he is a priest doesn’t mean he is right.
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pablope
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Nobody here can say with certainty…a priest can. If you do not believe a priest or what he will tell you…to whom will you go?
Are you going to decide for yourself?
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pablope
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Then if you think a priest can be wrong…who are you going to?
Do you think the Holy Spirit will not guide the priest in answering your query? For after all, it is a matter of your soul…so would the HS cause the priest to be in error?
If not the priest…are you then going to yourself? Decide for yourself? Is pride sin or not?
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jinc1019
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No, a priest doesn’t get to decide what is and what is not a mortal sin. He can give his informed opinion, but that’s all. If a priest tells me using condoms is not a mortal sin, you would tell me the priest is wrong…and by the way, many priests say this.
The definition of a mortal sin is defined by the teaching authority of the Church…so there must be some declaration by the Church regarding whether this is a mortal sin or not.
The definition of a mortal sin is defined by the teaching authority of the Church…so there must be some declaration by the Church regarding whether this is a mortal sin or not.
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jinc1019
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Where do you think? To the approved teachings of the Church. That is why I am asking the question!
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pablope
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See…you are going in circles. Why would the priest not give you what is not the teaching of the Church? Who would be in better authority…the priest or you?
And he is there to also give you spiritual advice. Is there something wrong with this?
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underacloud
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Actually, this is the conclusion you reached:
It’s all part of the same issue. Whether we debate it as staying in the Church or being in mortal sin.
As I said in that thread, as long as you are *open to the possibility *of the Church being correct and continue to explore the issue, I see no problem. You seem to be the one wanting to judge yourself out of the Church.
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jinc1019
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I understand we addressed the issue…but again, I want to know if it is a mortal sin or not. It’s a simple question, and quite frankly, I don’t need to be ridiculed for asking it.
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jinc1019
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Are you denying the fact that priests do, at times, give improper teachings of the Church?
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jinc1019
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The priest is, himself, not protected with infallibility or authority the way the Church as a whole is…so why wouldn’t I want an answer from the infallible Church over a fallible priest?
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pablope
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Why do you think a priest cannot? Who has the authority to bind and loose…you or him?
It looks like you want to make the decision yourself…you are rationalizing so as not to seek the counsel of those who were ordained to help us in our spiritual journeys…
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pablope
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How do you know the HS will not protect him in his guidance of you? Do you get to decide for God or the Holy Spirit as to who to protect and not to protect?
Is the priest not part of the Church? In this case, who will speak for the Church and give you the infallibe teaching of the Church?
You should reflect on this passage below:
1Sam15:
22 But Samuel replied:
“Does the LORD delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices
as much as in obeying the LORD?
To obey is better than sacrifice,
and to heed is better than the fat of rams.
23 For rebellion is like the sin of divination,
and arrogance like the evil of idolatry.
Because you have rejected the word of the LORD,
he has rejected you as king.”
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pablope
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Not with the protection of the Holy Spirit when it is a matter of our souls.
If they do otherwise…then they are responsible to God.
Do you think they do not take this responsibility seriously?
It looks like this is a issue of trust…do you trust a God that the HS will guide the priest in your talk with him?
Or do you trust only yourself?
Do you agree with this passage from Heb 13:
17 Have confidence in your leaders and submit to their authority, because they keep watch over you as those who must give an account. Do this so that their work will be a joy, not a burden, for that would be of no benefit to you.
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