Is Religion a Scam?

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Plus, isn’t it weird that no one goes on Fox and invites people to join forces against Buddhism or Scientology or, for that matter, Agnosticism?

It would be like the Society Against The Tooth Fairy. People only go after what’s real and what matters it seems, and because God made us, whether they like it or not, I think that being separated from Him is what’s driving them. Well that and the enemy.

Pax!
Agnosticism:D

Here is the definition of Agnosticism (based on the Catholic Encyclopedia newadvent.org/cathen/01215c.htm):🙂

A philosophical theory of the limitations of knowledge, professing doubt of or disbelief in some or all of the powers of knowing possessed by the human mind.

-You think that people should join forces against intellectual doubt and humility:confused:

Okay…

Intellectual pride all the way then:thumbsup:
 
My :twocents:

While questioning my own faith for a long time before being where I am spiritually I never once thought that there wasn’t a God. The idea that there isn’t some supreme being out there isn’t a matter of ignorance, it’s a matter of stupidity.

They are extremists in a different way. There are people of every faith (including Christianity) who are equally as ignorant in their refusal to believe certain things but that’s a whole other topic.
Refusing to believe in something without proof of any kind is a sign of stupidity…

Really:rolleyes:

What would you consider a sign of intelligence then?

Unquestioning belief in whatever you’re told perhaps?
 
Charlemagne II:
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LifeIsAbsurd:
Being an atheist only requires not believing the claim “God exists”.
There are some atheists who have red hair, and some who further believe “God doesn’t exist.”, but neither are required to be an atheist.
No. Being an atheist requires that you believe no gods exist.
Again, being an atheist only requires lacking the belief “God exists”. It certainly doesn’t require believing “God is impossible”. I’ve include the dictionary definitions below, followed by statements from prominent atheists, and my own assertion that I mean what is stated–so beyond this point there is no reason to further consider a straw man definition of atheism.

Richard Dawkins: “I cannot know for certain but I think God is very improbable, and I live my life on the assumption that he is not there.” He also notes that he’d be surprised to meet anyone who says “I know there is no God”.

Ayn Rand, a well-know atheist who believed religion is a sign of psychological weakness, said if there ever were compelling evidence she would consider it. She was neither open-minded nor close-minded. She was active-minded.

American Heritage
Atheist - One who disbelieves or denies the existence of God or gods.
Disbelieve - The act of not believing.
Wiktionary
Atheist - One who lacks belief in the existence of any god.
Webster’s 1913
Atheist - One who disbelieves or denies the existence of a God, or supreme intelligent Being.
Aren’t your dice slightly loaded?
Not in the least. I demand compelling evidence from all claimaints. I have argued both with people who claim “God exists” and people who claim “God does not exist.”
I’ve been hearing all my life that the burden of proof is on the theist, not the atheist.
Correct. It is the claimant who must back-up their claims if they wish to be believed. To accept claims without compelling evidence is irrational.
I don’t agree. If you are going to say there is no life anywhere in the universe but on earth, wouldn’t you need compelling proof to say that?
If person A claims, “There’s life on Mars” and person B claims “There’s no life on Mars” and neither has evidence I would believe neither and would consider both irrational.
Proof that simply cannot be obtained. And so you keep your mind open to the possibility of life elsewhere. Why not keep your mind also open to the idea of a God, since there is no compelling proof to the contrary?
My mind is not closed to the possibility that one of the hundreds of proposed gods exist, it simply does not accept their existance without compelling evidence.
 
But honestly, I think they’re a bunch of sour kill joys, if religion makes a person happy, gives them comfort and doesn’t cause them to harm anyone else, why does some atheist see it as their life mission to convince them to accept some apparent cold hard fact that there’s nothing after death and no meanign to any of this. Just because they’re all grumpy doesn’t mean the rest of us have to be.
Because religions frequently DOES cause harm.

Here is a relevant article on Muslim clerics trying to implement Sharia law in Great Britain:
telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1576066/We-want-to-offer-sharia-law-to-Britain.html
 
People die for a lot of things. A scam is not one of them.

If it was wishful thinking, then we would not have Hell. Catholics are noted for their fear of God. Hell is why. An eternity of suffering Hell can hardly be credited as wishful thinking. And if Heaven did in fact come from wishful thinking, then Purgatory would not have been invented.

Perhaps, he has only argued with the Protestant notion of “once saved, always saved”, “all you have to do is believe”, “nobody goes to Hell; it is just to scare us”, etc… Then that could be counted as wishful thinking.
True enough.

But manipulating people through fear of real and fabricated threats is an old technique.
 
In conclusion, in my opinion, Atheism is a religion, purely a religious practices with moral teachings(there’s no such thing as morality), patriarchs(Dawkins, Hitchens…), Sacred Texts(God’s Delusion), and Sacraments( to bash religion). But one thing truly peculiar to Atheism is that it’s the only religious faith that is dependent on other religious faith, especially Monotheistic faiths. It’s the only religious tradition that require you to bash other religions. It’s the only religious tradition that will not and can not survive without other faiths. It’s also the only faith that require you to believe in nothingness, and require its followers to preach about this nothingness to others. It’s like a person who goes out there and trying to take away the food of those who are full, then tell them that we will never be able to be full, and we will starved forever. It’s the religion of starvation.
This commentary is wrong on virtually every level.

Atheism is simply a lack of belief in supernatural forces. It doesn’t REQUIRE you to do anything.
 
Again, being an atheist only requires lacking the belief “God exists”. It certainly doesn’t require believing “God is impossible”. I’ve include the dictionary definitions below, followed by statements from prominent atheists, and my own assertion that I mean what is stated–so beyond this point there is no reason to further consider a straw man definition of atheism.

Richard Dawkins: “I cannot know for certain but I think God is very improbable, and I live my life on the assumption that he is not there.” He also notes that he’d be surprised to meet anyone who says “I know there is no God”.
Provided of how Dawkins think God is improbable, I must ask myself all the time how do people think that it is probable that from nothing we can have something, how 0+0 can become 1. Of course, any certainty must always come from faith, just as the certainty you have that you will not die today or the certainty you have that you’ll go to college. But just because everything of certainty come from faith does not mean e can’t be certain. In fact to assume doubt as a position is almost as if requiring immobility as a mean of transportation, not just that it’s silly, but it can’t bring you to anywhere.

Although God can’t be tested by any empirical methods(which require the subject to be measured), meanwhile, God could still be tested by using logic and philosophy, which is truly a tool which so often used by philosophers ever since the antiquity.
 
MindOverMatter

*It seems to me that in-order to deny Jesus you must first have reasonable knowledge of Jesus. *

Which I believe you have. Surely you wouldn’t reject Jesus without having knowledge of what you are rejecting.😉
 
This commentary is wrong on virtually every level.

Atheism is simply a lack of belief in supernatural forces. It doesn’t REQUIRE you to do anything.
My statement should only concern to those who are devoted to Atheism to religious level, which I have seen many have done before. I think repeatively saying that Atheism is the lack of belief does not and will not gonna improve any of your position. Even nothingness does require some belief, don’t you think?
 
Angry

*Atheism is simply a lack of belief in supernatural forces. It doesn’t REQUIRE you to do anything. *

Yes it does. For just one thing, it requires you to discover ethical values without God.

Unless you plan to have no ethical values and just fly by the seat of your pants.😃

*But manipulating people through fear of real and fabricated threats is an old technique. *

I daresay your dad made use of it now and then. 👍

*Because religions frequently DOES cause harm.

Here is a relevant article on Muslim clerics trying to implement Sharia law in Great Britain:
telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne…o-Britain.html*

If you’re going to reject religion on the grounds that some people in the name of religion have harmed others, you should have to reject atheism for the same thing. Do I have to count up for the dead bodies produced by atheist and anti-religious regimes of the 20th century, the first century in which haters of religion had a chance to show off their moral fabric?
 
True enough.

But manipulating people through fear of real and fabricated threats is an old technique.
Except when the people are ready to die for a fabricated lie which they readily know and deliberately know(the apostles, the disciples…), we beginning to see a problem with their psychological well being. Except that’s a weak claim.

When talk about fear, I don’t really know what you’re talking about. Are you assuming all religious worship out of fear? Why do you fear when you’re prepared?
 
LifeIsAbsurd

Richard Dawkins: “I cannot know for certain but I think God is very improbable, and I live my life on the assumption that he is not there.”

Notice how shallow this logic is. The fate of Dawkins’ immortal soul depends on whether he believes or does not believe, but he lives his life on the assumption that an improbability is something he should trust. Yet Dawkins would never for a moment doubt the extreme improbability that atoms and molecules came together quite by accident to produce the first living and self reproducing organism.
 
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AngryAtheist:
Atheism is simply a lack of belief in supernatural forces. It doesn’t REQUIRE you to do anything.
CharlemagneII:
Yes it does. For just one thing, it requires you to discover ethical values without God. Unless you plan to have no ethical values and just fly by the seat of your pants.
The irony–your unless underscores the fact that an atheist is not required to even do the one thing you claim they are required to do… even if many choose to do so.
 
Charlemagne II:
LifeIsAbsurd

Richard Dawkins: “I cannot know for certain but I think God is very improbable, and I live my life on the assumption that he is not there.”

Notice how shallow this logic is. The fate of Dawkins’ immortal soul depends on whether he believes or does not believe,
No, only if your God exists, an occurence he considers highly improbable, the fate of his immortal sould depends on whether he believes or does not believe…
but he lives his life on the assumption that an improbability is something he should trust.
Based on the above, quite the opposite, he bases his life on what is probable and not on that for which no compelling evidence exists.
Yet Dawkins would never for a moment doubt the extreme improbability that atoms and molecules came together quite by accident to produce the first living and self reproducing organism.
Can you cite the page where he makes that precise claim? I have not read his book, but I do have a copy waiting for a rainy day when I’m not absurdly busy. In any event, the point of his quote was to demonstrate that even someone who is mentioned quite a bit on this forum as a prominent atheist does not claim God is impossible. That is not required to be an atheist. By citing the above quote, I am not implying that I agree with all quotes ever by this person.
 
And non-religious people claim we’re the ones obsessed with sex? Why is the first question always about sex??? :rolleyes:

You’ve misunderstood. The Church holds to a philosophy which is sees human life as a sacred gift to be valued and cherished. It also teaches that the best way to bring up children is within the confines of a loving family. There are building blocks necessary in order to properly establish this and they begin with love, respect and fidelity. Condoms do not fit into the equation.

This is not a rule so much as an opportunity to fulfil your full sexual potential.

1). No he didn’t change it!
2). It’s not interpreting the verses, it is a consistent philosophy.

No, he can, but in doing so there will be consequences —he will lack certain graces. This is the nature of life is it not? It is difficult to both have ones cake and eat it!
How can anyone say with a straight face that the Pope and the Church as a whole doesn’t set rules?

The Code of Canon Law, what is that but a set of rules?
 
Specialists tend to overlook the wood for the trees. You’re seeking to explain the whole of reality in terms of its most insignificant aspect! Happiness is not found in material objects.

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How can we possibly know that?

And for that matter, why do religions as a whole (there are a few exceptions) show such contempt for the Flesh and physical reality?
 
Another question the atheist cannot answer is why his philosophy doesn’t fit with every day human experience.

The atheist says truth is subjective; however, we all live as if it is objective.
The atheist says morals are subjective; however, we all live as if they are objective.
The atheist says life has no objective meaning; however, we all live as if it has.
The atheist says no supernatural exists; however most of us pray.

These phenomenons can be explained perfectly in the Catholic worldview; the atheist worldview fails in that regard.
It can be easily explained if you just accept that most people are wrong. Considering the fact that the Catholic worldview also requires you to accept that people are making mistakes all the time (sinning) I don’t see how this could be a problem from an intellectual point of view.
 
How can we possibly know that?

And for that matter, why do religions as a whole (there are a few exceptions) show such contempt for the Flesh and physical reality?
We do not hold physical reality in contempt. In fact the whole of creation was “very good” (Genesis 1:31). The exception is the view that physical reality is inherently evil (held by the Gnostics). As Christians, we recognize that dwelling on the physical above the spiritual is detrimental to the Christan life. Now St. Paul does make many references to “the Flesh” in a negative context, but he is talking about those desires which are counter to spiritual growth, and simply physical existence.
 
You’re arguing in effect that atheism is a scam! Yet there are certainly sincere atheists who genuinely cannot see a reason for believing in God. They are the least likely to be aggressive towards religion because they simply regard it as a mistake. If they are good-natured they feel pity rather than contempt and animosity. Those who are aggressive reveal a virulent streak which is illogical. Why such venomous hatred for an illusion? There is far more in this than meets the eye…
Because it is an illusion that often hurts people.
 
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