Is religion inflexible, rigid, and probably cannot adapt properly due to changing conditions?

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What can you say about the view that religion is pretty inflexible and rigid and will probably never adapt properly due to changing conditions.

I think this will become an increasingly serious problem for many as we head into the future and is something we need to seriously watch out for so that society’s way of living does not adapt to the extent as to further exclude religious people from participating in various activities that would go against their religion or way of life as this would just cause more segregation and segregation is not good within a society.
 
If “adapting properly” means compromising ones values by conforming to the worlds’ standards rather than Gods’, then segregation is better than its alternative. This is why Jesus said, ** “Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. Matt 10.**
 
Would it be fair to say that some Christian churches have become more flexible and less rigid in an attempt to draw more people when in fact the opposite has occurred?
 
What can you say about the view that religion is pretty inflexible and rigid and will probably never adapt properly due to changing conditions.
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I certainly hope so
if religion adapted to current conditions we would have a Church advocating what God has forbidden, as sadly is the case with some denominations that have “adapted”
 
Is religion inflexible, rigid, and probably cannot adapt properly due to changing conditions?
No - Religion CAN adapt properly to changing conditions as the Churchhas shown over the nearly 200 centuries of it’s existance.
What can you say about the view that religion is pretty inflexible and rigid and will probably never adapt properly due to changing conditions.
The first thing I say is define what constitutes, “properly”. The Second thing that needs clarification is what defines “religion”, since there are many different religious sects ranging from very liberal to very conservative.
I think that the Church has done a pretty good job “adapting properly” in that she has consistantly defended the truth of the Gospel and virtuous living against the evils of the secular world. Naturally she has had her troubles, but overall, and especially in our time, she has done a great job of adapting her teachings to better protect and defend God’s Holy Truths.
I think this will become an increasingly serious problem for many as we head into the future and is something we need to seriously watch out for so that society’s way of living does not adapt to the extent as to further exclude religious people from participating in various activities that would go against their religion or way of life as this would just cause more segregation and segregation is not good within a society.
I’m not sure I am reading you right. Why would I want to participate in something that goes against my faith (religion)?
Society will do as it will. There is little we can do other than to cling ever more firmly to God and to live our lives in testimony to His Love.

Peace
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What can you say about the view that religion is pretty inflexible and rigid and will probably never adapt properly due to changing conditions.

I think this will become an increasingly serious problem for many as we head into the future and is something we need to seriously watch out for so that society’s way of living does not adapt to the extent as to further exclude religious people from participating in various activities that would go against their religion or way of life as this would just cause more segregation and segregation is not good within a society.
In short: Yes and no.

Religion delves deep into the root of what it really means to be a human being. In that sense, it has been around for as long as man has been around, and has weathered every storm and every change that has confronted man on his journey through the centuries. It has this persistence because it deals with the internal life, which is remarkably stable throughout time, rather than the external phenomena that surround it. The circumstances of man’s life may be changing, but the struggle he faces as a spirit are the same today as they were yesterday.

In that sense, religion is inflexible. The Path is the same because the spirit and the struggles are the same. But that inflexibility should not be given a negative connotation, nor should it be seen as a limitation or a weakness. It is merely a fact of existence. We cannot walk on a road in opposite directions simultaneously. No one curses nature because it forbids us from walking east and west at the same time. Similarly, we cannot escape sin while we are simultaneously in the process of entrenching ourselves within it. These actions are mutually exclusive, but that exclusivity is a fact of life, not a decree from some worldly authority.

That being said, I think it’s important to recognize that religion, properly understood, is one of the only flexible and fluid components of our lives. To see this, we first have to understand the nature of the slavery that sin imposes upon us. If you want to see something rigid and inflexible, look at sin. Sin forces man into a bottle, into a fixed, unchanging way of thinking and behaving, so that even if we desire to act differently, we are forced, by the compulsion of the sin that inhabits us, into repeating the same actions, thoughts, and behaviors that have consistently, time and and again, caused suffering for ourselves and others.

If you have any doubt about this, look at your own life–how the thoughts you think are often the same, from day to day. We are stuck, thinking the same stale thoughts we’ve thought before, too many of them ignoble, unjust, and unholy. We continually make the same mistakes, over and over again, falling into the same errors and flawed behaviors, even though we swore last time around, “I’ve learned my lesson. I’m going to change.” Head over to the Family Life forum, look at the trouble caused by pornography, masturbation, fornication. See how people struggle, and struggle, and struggle to fight against these evils, but still find themselves falling into exactly the same mistakes that they’ve made before.

Sin is inflexible.

Religion is our escape from that. Religion is the tool we use to break the bottle of sin that encapsulates us. It is our freedom, our joy, and our application of it is fluid and free, because the diverse necessities of life require us to adapt how we apply it to our own individual circumstances and experiences. It is not inflexible at all, but like a river that meets a barrier, changes course and cuts through the land at some alternate route in order to carry its life-giving water to those who desire to drink from its depths.
 
It’s a losing battle - a never-ending catch-up game - to try and make the Church “relevant to modern life”. Not to mention often involving fatally compromising the divine commandments. So instead, we ought to change modern life to make it relevant to the Church. 😉

And if we fail? If Christians and indeed all worshipers of God become a tiny minority in a sea of secularism? So what. We’ll have done our duty.
 
It’s a losing battle - a never-ending catch-up game - to try and make the Church “relevant to modern life”. Not to mention often involving fatally compromising the divine commandments. So instead, we ought to change modern life to make it relevant to the Church. 😉

And if we fail? If Christians and indeed all worshipers of God become a tiny minority in a sea of secularism? So what. We’ll have done our duty.
I think it was Chesterton who said he would rather be a member of a Church that was 2000 years behind the times and sticks to what it believes, than to one that is a year behind the times and is always trying to catch up. 👍
 
What can you say about the view that religion is pretty inflexible and rigid and will probably never adapt properly due to changing conditions.

I think this will become an increasingly serious problem for many as we head into the future and is something we need to seriously watch out for so that society’s way of living does not adapt to the extent as to further exclude religious people from participating in various activities that would go against their religion or way of life as this would just cause more segregation and segregation is not good within a society.
Hi Cho Pilo: Can you elaborate a little on what ways you see religions as being inflexible? This can mean a lot of things and can include a number of particulars, so I’m just interested in understanding what you’re seeing. I think I understand what you’re saying, but I could be totally missing it as well.

Your friend,
Sufjon
 
Hi Cho Pilo: Can you elaborate a little on what ways you see religions as being inflexible? This can mean a lot of things and can include a number of particulars, so I’m just interested in understanding what you’re seeing. I think I understand what you’re saying, but I could be totally missing it as well.

Your friend,
Sufjon
Thank you for your interest.

Let me give you an example. Sexual morality. First of all, I see the wisdom of the Church teaching on sexual morality. But one of the problems I see is the matter of delayed marriage. Due to some reasons marriage is delayed until the late teens or early twenties for women, and as late as the late twenties for the men. This means that all sexual activity is immoral during the very years it is strongest. It is grounded on the goodness of sex as a creation of God. However, the sex drives of the teenagers are strong, mysterious and sometimes try to act as though it had a mind of its own especially in the advent of information age (internet, the spread of pornographic materials, double meaning songs, globalization, etc). In other words it’s hard for a person to search high sexual ideals in these days and age.

We also fail to question that system because if we challenge the establishment (those in power) we will get ourselves into trouble… because of e.g. blasphemy, etc. I am not saying that the system itself is bad. . It’s probably the best in the world (that’s my opinion). But that doesn’t mean that you have to accept everything just like that. It can only be so free and good if people keep asking questions… and I really think that it’s become less popular to be very critical about our own societies. On the other hand, I see that for example, the Catholic Church never undo the promises of Christ that he would be with the Church until the end of time.
 
religion is like a tree
It is as in/flexible or ridid as a tree…
Of course every religion is a different species of tree or animal

God bless
 
Thank you for your interest.

Let me give you an example. Sexual morality. First of all, I see the wisdom of the Church teaching on sexual morality. But one of the problems I see is the matter of delayed marriage. Due to some reasons marriage is delayed until the late teens or early twenties for women, and as late as the late twenties for the men. This means that all sexual activity is immoral during the very years it is strongest. It is grounded on the goodness of sex as a creation of God. However, the sex drives of the teenagers are strong, mysterious and sometimes try to act as though it had a mind of its own especially in the advent of information age (internet, the spread of pornographic materials, double meaning songs, globalization, etc). In other words it’s hard for a person to search high sexual ideals in these days and age.

We also fail to question that system because if we challenge the establishment (those in power) we will get ourselves into trouble… because of e.g. blasphemy, etc. I am not saying that the system itself is bad. . It’s probably the best in the world (that’s my opinion). But that doesn’t mean that you have to accept everything just like that. It can only be so free and good if people keep asking questions… and I really think that it’s become less popular to be very critical about our own societies. On the other hand, I see that for example, the Catholic Church never undo the promises of Christ that he would be with the Church until the end of time.
Hi Cho Pilo: I think I see what you’re saying. If I’m seeing this right, most religions were developed at a time when people got married about the same time their hormones became very active. Of course in modern times, the age for marriage keeps getting older as a matter pf practicality, and this puts certain religious conventions at odds with the demands of a modern post-agrarian, even post industrial society. If I have that right, I do see the issue, and it pretty much extends across most religious traditions that I’m aware of.

Your friend
Sufjon
 
What can you say about the view that religion is pretty inflexible and rigid and will probably never adapt properly due to changing conditions.

I think this will become an increasingly serious problem for many as we head into the future and is something we need to seriously watch out for so that society’s way of living does not adapt to the extent as to further exclude religious people from participating in various activities that would go against their religion or way of life as this would just cause more segregation and segregation is not good within a society.
I question the changes in society. who is leading the changes? as we know men have the tendency to go astray from the Teachings of God. God knows better about us than we do. So, perhaps it is best to stick with the Teachings of our Lord than follow a society that can crumbles any given day. Let’s see for examples, where are all those powerfull empire? how about communism? how about hittler? Napoleon? they all have sucumb to the power of God. but the Church will go on because she remains faifhfull to the One Living God and nobody else. so, when everybody goes with the society, we as Catholics must remain faifhfull to God through His Church.
 
Bishop Robert Vasa, the coadjutor bishop-elect of Santa Rosa, CA, and the episcopal adviser of the Catholic Medical Association since 2002, presided at a white mass for medical professionals recently. In his homily, using the example of the Miracle at Cana, Bishop Vasa told the congregation that, when the "usual practice of medicine conflicts with faith, or conflicts with the moral code of our Church," we must have the courage to follow Christ:"…
*In those instances where faith and reason seem to be in conflict then, provided you truly know your faith, you will become convinced that it is reason and not faith which is involved in error…
  • The wine stewards were wise enough to put their trust in the one whom Mary trusted. The Church now stands in the place of Christ and Mary still says to us, as she said to those stewards, “Do whatever He tells you.”
 
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