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bookgirl
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Oh come on, you took that quote completely out of context!
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Nordar
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I don’t think he took it out of context one bit, I actually thought his answer was very funny to a very immature “Prove it”!
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bookgirl
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Have you read the rest of these posts? He’s been constantly avoiding requests to show his basis for believe that #1: it’s blasphemy and #2: it’s a mortal sin. He gives his own interpretation of the ten commandments, and then when asked for any support from the catechism or any other source stating the Church’s stance on this he doesn’t even acknowledge that he’s been asked. This is the first time that he’s responded to any such request and he ignored 98% of her request (which, by the way, why is it immature? I realize that there is a ridiculousness to this post in the first place, but it’s become an issue of interpretation and somewhat gotten off-topic from the OP’s original post). Using the Lord’s name in vain is wrong regardless, but there’s a lot of somewhat scrupulous people (including myself) that need to have these questions addressed seriously sometimes. This isn’t one that bothers me personally but I believe the OP asked sincerely.
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Nordar
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Funny thing Bookgirl, taking God’s name in vain was the exact thing The Priests Homily was today at Mass. He was a Missionary with Cross International Catholic Outreach. crosscatholic.org. He spoke about how offensive and sinfull it was to take The name of God in vain whether in anger or in any other way. And how people do it all the time, On TV, how we listen to people saying it, how it is used in other words such as Jeesus. How you do not hear Jews disparage Moses or Elijah by calling them by derivative names. I never thought to ask him to prove it in the Cathechism! Should I have?
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bobzills
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Thanks, Nordar. Obviously, this is one sermon that we need today.
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Nordar
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It certainly gave me plently of food for thought! I know that I will be MUCH more carefull with words I use!
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MrIrish
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This is my (second-to) last post in this thread because you keep dodging my points, and I tire of checking the thread to see more opinions and no facts. If you were able to show definitively (from the Bible, CCC, etc.) that saying “geez” is the moral equivalent of taking the Lord’s name in vain, you would have. I have doubts now that you are even a Catholic who belongs to the Church headed by the pope in Rome. Are you a Roman Catholic in this sense of the term?
In the post quoted above you are using a technique known as “begging the question”. You try to demonstrate that “Jesus” = “geez” by assuming it is, and then you make reference to an obscure principle to reaffirm your assumption. This is a fallacious form of reasoning.
It’s time to let this absurd thread die.
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MrIrish
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He quoted only a tiny part of my post. That suggests to me that he could not find an adequate response to the rest of my message. Go see for yourself.
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pray4peace
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I am under the impression that geez is the short form of gee whiz, which means amazement, annoyance, mild surprise. It reminds me of another term used, “good grief”
answers.com/geez
answers.com/topic/gee-whiz-1
geez is not spelled anything like the name Jesus
You know the important thing is, it really matters what is in your heart when you use it.
answers.com/geez
answers.com/topic/gee-whiz-1
geez is not spelled anything like the name Jesus
You know the important thing is, it really matters what is in your heart when you use it.
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bookgirl
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But we’re not debating whether it’s wrong or not. He is saying that it is SPECIFICALLY blasphemy and that it IS a mortal sin. I’m not even debathing really, if it is it is, but I want to know that it is from the authority of the Church, not the authority of Bobzills. I don’t think that there is any problem in wanting to clear those up. Read the whole thread, it might make a little more sense.
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FelixBlue
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Precisely. This is the point–that it is the intention of the word rather than the form of the word that makes all the difference.I am under the impression that geez is the short form of gee whiz, which means amazement, annoyance, mild surprise. It reminds me of another term used, “good grief”
answers.com/geez
answers.com/topic/gee-whiz-1
geez is not spelled anything like the name Jesus
You know the important thing is, it really matters what is in your heart when you use it.
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Sagefrakrobatik
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FelixBlue
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I’m not quite sure I follow…
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Sagefrakrobatik
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ITS LITTLE WEEZY AND YOUNG JEEZY!! YA HEARD
you get it
Geez
you get it
Geez
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holly_potter
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:bounce: :whacky:
Okay…I kept doing my sarcastic laugh througout this thread.
In all intention, most of us don’t intend to take any form or derivative of God’s name in vain. Most of us don’t even think or realize it could be a form of God or Jesus. Therefore, we don’t intend to take His name in vain.
I’ve always believed that these were mere utterances, just sounds we make when we’re frustrated, as opposed to actual coherent words. Taking God’s name in vain was once a thought, a decision for somebody, until it evolved into a habit. Doesn’t make it any less bad, though. Even the alternate spelling you see in some comics was a concious decision to make it sound exactly like “God”, but technically not. That too, lies in intent, for the cartoonist intended it to sound like “God”. But if you concentrate on avoiding taking His name in vain, and substitute (intending to avoid sin), such as OMGoodness, then that’s not a sin. Otherwise all exclaimations would be sin, if we followed some people’s train of thought. Intending to avoiding sin is a sin?
Personally, I go “yeesh” or “sheesh”, as in “oh brother” or “boy” or “whatever”, or “look at that person trying to cut in in front of all those semis, speeding along at 100 miles an hour. I almost saw them lose control several times. Boy, is that guy stupid or what?” “Yeesh” is a substitution for stating the bothersome or stupid event. It is a one syllable utterance that conveys a whole paragraph’s worth of feelings and expression. A language shortcut, if you will. And “for Pete’s sake!” means the same thing : “are you getting out of bed for another glass of water to procrastinate instead of going to sleep like you’re supposed to?”
If intent is so important, then here’s but a few examples of the difference of intent to say/sound like blasphemy, and intent to avoid said sin by substituting some monosyllabic nonsensical word.
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bobzills
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A sloppy attitude toward intent may not be enough to exonerate blasphemy and violation of the Commandment: Thou Shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain.
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Okay…I kept doing my sarcastic laugh througout this thread.
In all intention, most of us don’t intend to take any form or derivative of God’s name in vain. Most of us don’t even think or realize it could be a form of God or Jesus. Therefore, we don’t intend to take His name in vain.
I’ve always believed that these were mere utterances, just sounds we make when we’re frustrated, as opposed to actual coherent words. Taking God’s name in vain was once a thought, a decision for somebody, until it evolved into a habit. Doesn’t make it any less bad, though. Even the alternate spelling you see in some comics was a concious decision to make it sound exactly like “God”, but technically not. That too, lies in intent, for the cartoonist intended it to sound like “God”. But if you concentrate on avoiding taking His name in vain, and substitute (intending to avoid sin), such as OMGoodness, then that’s not a sin. Otherwise all exclaimations would be sin, if we followed some people’s train of thought. Intending to avoiding sin is a sin?
Personally, I go “yeesh” or “sheesh”, as in “oh brother” or “boy” or “whatever”, or “look at that person trying to cut in in front of all those semis, speeding along at 100 miles an hour. I almost saw them lose control several times. Boy, is that guy stupid or what?” “Yeesh” is a substitution for stating the bothersome or stupid event. It is a one syllable utterance that conveys a whole paragraph’s worth of feelings and expression. A language shortcut, if you will. And “for Pete’s sake!” means the same thing : “are you getting out of bed for another glass of water to procrastinate instead of going to sleep like you’re supposed to?”
If intent is so important, then here’s but a few examples of the difference of intent to say/sound like blasphemy, and intent to avoid said sin by substituting some monosyllabic nonsensical word.
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JFonseka
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I can’t help saying Geez, I never even knew that it was an alteration of Jesus, I just thought it was a harmless saying. WHY BRING THIS UP ARGH, now you will have us all who never knew this in a bad conscience everytime we say this.
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holly_potter
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mmmm…it’s the truth. the english language is always changing. and some words mean different things back then and now. like “thongs”. that’s what i was pointing out. you can believe what you want, but some things border on the scrupulous. but if you ask an apologist, i’ll take their answer.
in that same vein…spanish/hispanic parents who name their sons Jesus are taking His name in vain everytime they yell at them for getting into trouble. and how does it feel when you have to spank Jesus? are they in trouble for sloppy intent?
sheesh…
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LuxDei
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We actually had a discussion in RCIA once about whether saying “Oh my G–” was taking the Lord’s name in vain. Some people said it wasn’t, for various, silly reasons. Then I said that I struggled to overcome this when I become serious about faith and that I see using words like “Gosh” as an intentional decision to say “No, Lord, I refuse to use your name irreverently. So I’m going to use this harmless nonsense word instead.” After all, the Lord’s name isn’t “gosh.” And Jesus’s name isn’t “Geez Louise.”
The RCIA director agreed with what I said, so I know there are at least some serious Catholics who have no issue with nonsense words that are derived from the Lord’s names. I mean, I couldn’t walk into a store, looking to purchase some sod for my lawn, and then ask them for some “sosh” and have them understand me. It’s not the same word.
I dunno, that’s how I look at it.
The RCIA director agreed with what I said, so I know there are at least some serious Catholics who have no issue with nonsense words that are derived from the Lord’s names. I mean, I couldn’t walk into a store, looking to purchase some sod for my lawn, and then ask them for some “sosh” and have them understand me. It’s not the same word.
I dunno, that’s how I look at it.
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Ginger2
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Swearing depends mostly on what is in your heart. Some words are extremely offensive no matter why you say them, because their purpose is to offend.
I have never substituted “Geez” for “God”. However, if you substitute any word for a swear word it is still swearing according to what is in your heart.
“Praise God” is swearing if you are not really praising God.
EXAMPLE: You smash your thumb with a hammer and say “praise God” out of anger and trying to avoid words you don’t want your children to hear, You Still Swore.
But if you say “praise God” because you were able to resist saying those bads words, then you didn’t swear.
With the exception of a few vulgar terms, it is all about what is in your heart.
I have never substituted “Geez” for “God”. However, if you substitute any word for a swear word it is still swearing according to what is in your heart.
“Praise God” is swearing if you are not really praising God.
EXAMPLE: You smash your thumb with a hammer and say “praise God” out of anger and trying to avoid words you don’t want your children to hear, You Still Swore.
But if you say “praise God” because you were able to resist saying those bads words, then you didn’t swear.
With the exception of a few vulgar terms, it is all about what is in your heart.
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