Is self-esteem sinful or pride?

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Hey everyone. Is self-esteem a sinful thing? Does self-esteem lead to pride? I ask because I always see so much emphasis on having self-esteem, especially for people with depression. However, is self-esteem something that God wants us to have?
 
Hi Holly, I don’t think self-esteem is the same as the sin of pride. Self esteem means that you value your integrity as a human person placed on this earth by the Father who loves us. Sinful pride on the other hand would seem to involve denial of our dependence upon God. It is as if we place ourselves above Him. This is just my idea _ I hope someone else weighs in on this. Some of the issue is symantic I think. When we say we are proud of having done something for instance, often what we mean is we are happy something worked out well. We can still give glory to God for whatever that is> Sinful pride would attribute all the good to our own effort or skills.
 
Self -esteem does not exist…

Having a good self -concept is fine. Knowing ones good points in humility etc.

Having a realistic notion of oneself…and the fact that one is created and loved by God…and that one is thus by Jesus Christ are a new creation etc…

Is very good.
 
Hey everyone. Is self-esteem a sinful thing? Does self-esteem lead to pride? I ask because I always see so much emphasis on having self-esteem, especially for people with depression. However, is self-esteem something that God wants us to have?
I believe it’s better to replace self-esteem with esteem toward God and the spiritual. Note that the “self” is defined as “reflective consciousness.” As such, one merely needs to do is disrupt the reflective consciousness to eliminate the strong sense of “self” and promote the spiritual. “Self” predominates in modern society, but it’s so problematic. The key, in any event, is to become a spiritual person, in close communion with God.
 
Well Hey, let’s not throw the baby out with the bathwater. My “reflective consciousness” is exactly that human property which helps me to discern that ****I am not the center or author of the universe, God is.
 
Hey everyone. Is self-esteem a sinful thing? Does self-esteem lead to pride? I ask because I always see so much emphasis on having self-esteem, especially for people with depression. However, is self-esteem something that God wants us to have?
Self esteem is not sinful as long as it is properly ordered. To be properly ordered, it must acknowledge the Truth. What the Truth is in every individual’s case is that he or she is a rebellious creature who, from the moment of his or her conception, deeply offends God through inherited Original Sin. That, in spite of God’s justifiable aversion to the hearts of such men and women, which are stony and rotten, that He has gratuitously offered a way out of the filth of our natures and holds in keeping for us unimaginable ecstasies infinitely beyond what we deserve. So, as long as you hold that, as of this moment, your nature is more akin to slime than anything remotely agreeable, but that you have been given the opportunity to be made into something far better, then it’s certain that God would be pleased with this attitude.
 
“Self-esteem” is morally neutral. It is the acting knowledge of one’s capabilities and that one has personal dignity. This knowledge of one’s capacity gives one reason to risk trying to do things. It gives one a reason to want to live and contribute. It gives one reason to believe one is worthy of love and the esteem of others.

Self-esteem can come out of recognition of the truth that one may reliably act with trust in Providence and that one has dignity because of being made in the image and likeness of God. That’s the self-esteem of the virtuous person, and it is self-esteem of an enduring sort. It can also come out of an appreciation of one’s particular competencies and one’s particular status. This is a very vulnerable sort of self-esteem, because it depends on the vagaries of fate.

In a psychological sense, self-esteem gained by secular accomplishment, recognition, and position is real self-esteem. The problem is that the secular way to get self-esteem gives one a vulnerable sort of self-esteem. It works fine until its foundation is undermined. When that happens, the person loses the sense of personal ability and dignity.

A virtuous person, OTOH, has the foundation of their self-esteem in the knowledge of God’s love and support for them, and in the knowledge that this love includes a plan that employs the person’s God-given capacities. This is a self-esteem built on a sure foundation, because it is not built on a foundation that can be lost.

"Everyone who listens to these words of mine and acts on them will be like a wise man who built his house on rock. The rain fell, the floods came, and the winds blew and buffeted the house. But it did not collapse; it had been set solidly on rock. And everyone who listens to these words of mine but does not act on them will be like a fool who built his house on sand. The rain fell, the floods came, and the winds blew and buffeted the house. And it collapsed and was completely ruined.” Matt. 7:24-27
 
Hey everyone. Is self-esteem a sinful thing? Does self-esteem lead to pride? I ask because I always see so much emphasis on having self-esteem, especially for people with depression. However, is self-esteem something that God wants us to have?
Low self esteem leads to prideful behavior. Prideful behavior is motivated to find self worth from and external source in order to compensate for the internal void. A person with high self esteem does not have this deficit.
 
Well Hey, let’s not throw the baby out with the bathwater. My “reflective consciousness” is exactly that human property which helps me to discern that ****I am not the center or author of the universe, God is.
God should definately be the author of the universe. There is going to be an inverse relationship between sense of self and heightened spirituality.
 
Back in the days before “self-esteem” and “self-everything else” came into vogue, the term used was "self-respect". That term is more balanced than the new puffing up buzz words. If we dont have self-respect, were likely to end up dying in the gutter. The Fifth Commandment would apply to the presence or absence of that mental attitude.
 
Other Eric;8399595. What the Truth is in every individual’s case is that he or she is a rebellious creature who said:
:confused:The ‘Truth’ as quoted here comes across as somewhat heretical. A quick look into Catholic Dogma and teaching on the subject of Original Sin and the love and value that God has for each soul He creates, is in stark contradiction to what you propose.

I quote now from the Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma by Ludwig Ott:
“The wounding of nature must not be conceived, with the Reformers and the Jansenists, as the complete corruption of human nature. In the condition of Original Sin, man possesses the ability of knowing natural religious truths and of performing natural morally good actions.” I reject all the derogatory labels that you attach, blanket fashion, to us all, as you will come to see, we are worth more than you give God credit for!

It is not correct to say"…,as of this moment,…akin to slime…". This is a wild proposition with no basis of fact or reality at all. How could you know, at any given moment, never mind as of this moment, how all mankind stands in the eyes of his Creator?

We all have the duty to study our Faith and what it teaches, in order to defend it and to be ambassador’s for His Kingdom.
 
Self esteem is not sinful as long as it is properly ordered. To be properly ordered, it must acknowledge the Truth. What the Truth is in every individual’s case is that he or she is a rebellious creature who, from the moment of his or her conception, deeply offends God through inherited Original Sin. That, in spite of God’s justifiable aversion to the hearts of such men and women, which are stony and rotten, that He has gratuitously offered a way out of the filth of our natures and holds in keeping for us unimaginable ecstasies infinitely beyond what we deserve. So, as long as you hold that, as of this moment, your nature is more akin to slime than anything remotely agreeable, but that you have been given the opportunity to be made into something far better, then it’s certain that God would be pleased with this attitude.
The ‘Truth’ as quoted here comes across as somewhat heretical. A quick look into Catholic Dogma and teaching on the subject of Original Sin and the love and value that God has for each soul He creates, is in stark contradiction to what you propose.

I quote now from the Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma by Ludwig Ott:
“The wounding of nature must not be conceived, with the Reformers and the Jansenists, as the complete corruption of human nature. In the condition of Original Sin, man possesses the ability of knowing natural religious truths and of performing natural morally good actions.” I reject all the derogatory labels that you attach, blanket fashion, to us all, as you will come to see, we are worth more than you give God credit for!

It is not correct to say"…,as of this moment,…akin to slime…". This is a wild proposition with no basis of fact or reality at all. How could you know, at any given moment, never mind as of this moment, how all mankind stands in the eyes of his Creator?

We all have the duty to study our Faith and what it teaches, in order to defend it and to be ambassador’s for His Kingdom. 👍
 
Hey everyone. Is self-esteem a sinful thing? Does self-esteem lead to pride? I ask because I always see so much emphasis on having self-esteem, especially for people with depression. However, is self-esteem something that God wants us to have?
In my opinion, you must read CS Lewis’ Mere Christianity and the Chapter on Pride. It does what all good thinkers do: he first defines it, then he differentiates it from other vices/virtues. It is a great read.
 
Hey everyone. Is self-esteem a sinful thing? Does self-esteem lead to pride? I ask because I always see so much emphasis on having self-esteem, especially for people with depression. However, is self-esteem something that God wants us to have?
To esteem is to regard with respect or admiration. Self-esteem is to regard with respect or admiration things that are about ourselves.

I would say that true self-esteem is essential and it does not lead to pride. We have an intrinsic dignity because of who we are and we have an obligation to acknowledge that. That is part of self-esteem. We are also given gifts by the Holy Spirit and we must acknowledge that, and that too is part of self-esteem. We must be aware of our good behaviors because they are defined by our use of virtues, and that too is part of self-esteem.

I think that pride comes when we have a false self-esteem. For example when we give ourselves credit for what is not due to us. We should give ourselves credit for using the gifts of the Holy Spirit but we cannot take credit for such gifts. We should give ourselves credit for accepting God’s graces but we cannot take credit for any of the graces that flow toward us.
 
God should definately be the author of the universe. There is going to be an inverse relationship between sense of self and heightened spirituality.
Right. There is the concept of “dying to self”. _ “unless a seed falls to the ground and dies, it will not bear fruit” or something like that. I am not sure I quoted that verse accurately, but that is close. I think 'dying to self ‘’ presupposes a self, and a pretty sound one at that! Maybe what we are talking about is a whole continuum, from a pathological lack of self-esteem, up through a healthy self-esteem, to a perverted self-esteem in sinful pride. It seems to me that either extreme would prevent the kind of “reflective consciousness” that would help one move toward dying to self and living in/for/with God. I’d like to hear your thought on this.
 
The ‘Truth’ as quoted here comes across as somewhat heretical. A quick look into Catholic Dogma and teaching on the subject of Original Sin and the love and value that God has for each soul He creates, is in stark contradiction to what you propose.

I quote now from the Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma by Ludwig Ott:
“The wounding of nature must not be conceived, with the Reformers and the Jansenists, as the complete corruption of human nature. In the condition of Original Sin, man possesses the ability of knowing natural religious truths and of performing natural morally good actions.” I reject all the derogatory labels that you attach, blanket fashion, to us all, as you will come to see, we are worth more than you give God credit for!

It is not correct to say"…,as of this moment,…akin to slime…". This is a wild proposition with no basis of fact or reality at all. How could you know, at any given moment, never mind as of this moment, how all mankind stands in the eyes of his Creator?

We all have the duty to study our Faith and what it teaches, in order to defend it and to be ambassador’s for His Kingdom. 👍
To know a natural truth means nothing. Even Satan is capable of that. While man is capable of performing morally good actions, every one of them is made possible through the assistance of God’s grace. Apart from that, man is incapable of doing anything. It also ought to be remarked that any morally good action that man is capable of is, necessarily, imperfect, like the lukewarm thing that Christ vomits from His mouth.

This is not meant to express and/or imply the complete corruption of human nature. Only that human nature, in its current state is wounded, albeit grievously, from the effects of Original Sin. Human nature is like that of a car accident victim on life support at a hospital, his body a shattered ruin; his appearance off-putting to say the least and, assuming head trauma, his brain reduced to a crudely functioning piece of meat. Yet, even in that disgusting state, the victim retains the goods of dignity and rationality, though they be severely impaired by mangled sinews, shredded musculature and broken bones.

It is our God who, like a good doctor, looks past the mess and goes about the business of healing the patient. Self-esteem that fails to acknowledge the severity of one’s own spiritual condition has a name: presumption. It is a false self-esteem and is borne of pride.
 
Right. There is the concept of “dying to self”. _ “unless a seed falls to the ground and dies, it will not bear fruit” or something like that. I am not sure I quoted that verse accurately, but that is close. I think 'dying to self ‘’ presupposes a self, and a pretty sound one at that! Maybe what we are talking about is a whole continuum, from a pathological lack of self-esteem, up through a healthy self-esteem, to a perverted self-esteem in sinful pride. It seems to me that either extreme would prevent the kind of “reflective consciousness” that would help one move toward dying to self and living in/for/with God. I’d like to hear your thought on this.
My personal belief is that the “self” is evil, no matter the degree. Instead of self-esteem, which is really introverted if you think about it, I believe in esteem. Esteem towards God and things spiritual, for example. Kill the self, and then you’re dealing with a true extrovert.
 
My personal belief is that the “self” is evil, no matter the degree. Instead of self-esteem, which is really introverted if you think about it, I believe in esteem. Esteem towards God and things spiritual, for example. Kill the self, and then you’re dealing with a true extrovert.
I cannot agree with your statement that the self is evil. Left out is the whole concept of free will. We have the capacitiy of making good or bad choices, which is where reflective consciousness comes in. We can also change, that is, make bad choices and realize we have done so. The grace and love of our God is always calling us to our better side. To have only evil at the core of our self involves our choice, not our capacity.
 
I cannot agree with your statement that the self is evil. Left out is the whole concept of free will. We have the capacitiy of making good or bad choices, which is where reflective consciousness comes in. We can also change, that is, make bad choices and realize we have done so. The grace and love of our God is always calling us to our better side. To have only evil at the core of our self involves our choice, not our capacity.
Not only are we not evil, we are priest; we are kings; albeit, without cloths. Thank God for Jesus Christ. He has clothed us and when we are without sin we are a part if divinity. Do not tell this to your protestant friends - they just get mad as a hornet.
 
I cannot agree with your statement that the self is evil. Left out is the whole concept of free will. We have the capacitiy of making good or bad choices, which is where reflective consciousness comes in. We can also change, that is, make bad choices and realize we have done so. The grace and love of our God is always calling us to our better side. To have only evil at the core of our self involves our choice, not our capacity.
I contend that free will is independent of the psychological notion of self. For example, our conscience can dictate a certain behavior in a given situation and the person is free to either act on it or not. Reflective consciousness is not necessary for a person to act on an impulse such as that arising from conscience. Moreover, I would not consider the concept of self to be an all or nothing event, but it is to be measured along a continuum, with almost everyone everyone experiencing at least some degree of self.

Again, it’s the introverted nature of the self which I condemn. I contend that there is something better than self-esteem, for example, and that being esteem towards God and things spiritual. It’s far more important to have esteem towards friends and family, and life in general, than to fall into the trap of introverted self-esteem. Do you imagine self-esteem to be evil?
 
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