Is sharing CD's wrong?

[Pieman333272]

Is it wrong to burn a CD which you downloaded to give it to a friend? Or rip a CD and then sell it? Or give the CD to a friend to rip? Or is this OK?

 

[Bookcat]

Is it wrong to burn a CD which you downloaded to give it to a friend? Or rip a CD and then sell it? Or give the CD to a friend to rip? Or is this OK?

Yes that would violate copyright and the rights of the artist. In buying such one is given the right to use it personally…but it is still their artistic work.

(Unless they have permitted such of course…but usually if it is in CD form…such is not the case…I would think always)

 

[Pieman333272]

Yes that would violate copyright and the rights of the artist. In buying such one is given the right to use it personally…but it is still their artistic work.

(Unless they have permitted such of course…but usually if it is in CD form…such is not the case…I would think always)

I see. So, then, would I have to delete the ~700 songs i got from my family on CD’s?

 

[ETEXAS]

One can…Legally for personal use transfer the purchased medium…some Cds on’t let you but that is to stop pirating but…there is software…ooops! Kidding!

 

[Pieman333272]

One can…Legally for personal use transfer the purchased medium…some Cds on’t let you but that is to stop pirating but…there is software…ooops! Kidding!

Well, I received this stuff from my dad. He gave me CD’s of artists I liked and I ripped them. Is that wrong?

 

[Bookcat]

I see. So, then, would I have to delete the ~700 songs i got from my family on CD’s?

I just threw away tapes I copied in my youth…

 

[Bookcat]

Well, I received this stuff from my dad. He gave me CD’s of artists I liked and I ripped them. Is that wrong?

I assume your living at home???

I would suggest contacting Jimmy Akin on this one…he is good on this subject.

Perhaps since it is within a household there is more to the answer? I am not an expert on copyright.

 

[kooldood]

I would like an answer one of the first questions, is it morally correct to let a friend rip music from one of your’s CD’s?

On the other hand, I think I might have an answer to another question. I think that if the cd is your dad’s, and you are still living in the same house, it would not be morally incorrect to rip music from that CD since the music is staying in the same household. Well, that’s my opinion, but I think you really do need someone knowledgeable in copyrights to answer all the questions to complete satisfaction.

 

[stevekehl]

Is it wrong to burn a CD which you downloaded to give it to a friend? Or rip a CD and then sell it? Or give the CD to a friend to rip? Or is this OK?

These cases violate copyright laws and are illegal. If you have 700 songs on your Ipod that were acqired in these ways they sould be erased or purchased legally. Back in the 80s my youth minister started a music library at church by dubbing cassettes the kids at church had. There was no money involved, kids just borrowed tapes from the library for a week. When he realized what he was doing was illegal he threw everything away, in the neighborhood of 300 tapes.
Whether you get rid of your copied songs is up to you, but you are setting an example for your friends whether they are Christians or not. Jesus said better to tie a stone around your neck and jump into the sea than cause a child to sin. If little brothers or sisters are stealing music because you are that’s a serious situation.

 

[Booter]

This a a good question. I have ripped songs from my dad’s cds cause we have similar tastes. We live in the same house so I don’t think theres a real problem with it. We were both purchasing songs from the Walmart MP3 store last night. I put some of the songs he bought on my mp3 and a cd because they are both on the family computer. Based on the responses I’m hearing this would be wrong? We would have to buy 2 mp3’s of the same song. (Which coincidently my dad did by mistake )? My question is how would this be different then sharing a book with a friend or family member? I don’t believe in illegal file sharing but I don’t think there’s anything wrong with sharing cd’s and other stuff for personal use. I wouldn’t burn 25 copies of a cd, but if you living in the same house I don’t see an issue. I know personally if i asked my dad to borrow his music he would give it to me in a heartbeat so I have no problem ripping select songs. This is an interesting question nonetheless, I will wait on responses

 

[DexUK]

If you were an author and you derived your only source of income from selling limited numbers of books, would you be upset if a person to whom you had sold a book decided to photocopy every single page of that book and give it to another person? Wouldn’t you feel like you were entitled to the income you should have had, were that person to have bought the book from you?

Copying music is the same.

You may feel like it’s a drop of water in a very large ocean, but the principle remains exactly the same. By copying music to enable someone else to have the benefit of it while you retain the benefit yourself, you are denying the artist the income due to them by right of law and by right of morals.

In any other circumstances, the person receiving the copy could be said to be in receipt of stolen goods. So, if you have downloaded ripped music files from the internet which you did not pay for, you are deriving a benefit to which you are not entitled. You are therefore in receipt of something that you have stolen.

Ripping from one’s own CDs for personal purposes is different, however, since you are simply ‘format shifting’. But that only works so long as the original CD is not available for use by someone else at the same time you have access to the ripped copy.

Sharing a physical CD of which you do not have any copies isn’t wrong - only one person may listen to it at any one time. That is, of course, on the proviso that the terms by which you agreed to abide when you obtained the CD don’t prohibit you from sharing (some do).

This may sound very legalistic and possibly a lot of work to think about, and you might be right. But you want to do right don’t you?

 

[Booter]

If you were an author and you derived your only source of income from selling limited numbers of books, would you be upset if a person to whom you had sold a book decided to photocopy every single page of that book and give it to another person? Wouldn’t you feel like you were entitled to the income you should have had, were that person to have bought the book from you?

Copying music is the same.

You may feel like it’s a drop of water in a very large ocean, but the principle remains exactly the same. By copying music to enable someone else to have the benefit of it while you retain the benefit yourself, you are denying the artist the income due to them by right of law and by right of morals.

In any other circumstances, the person receiving the copy could be said to be in receipt of stolen goods. So, if you have downloaded ripped music files from the internet which you did not pay for, you are deriving a benefit to which you are not entitled. You are therefore in receipt of something that you have stolen.

Ripping from one’s own CDs for personal purposes is different, however, since you are simply ‘format shifting’. But that only works so long as the original CD is not available for use by someone else at the same time you have access to the ripped copy.

Sharing a physical CD of which you do not have any copies isn’t wrong - only one person may listen to it at any one time. That is, of course, on the proviso that the terms by which you agreed to abide when you obtained the CD don’t prohibit you from sharing (some do).

This may sound very legalistic and possibly a lot of work to think about, and you might be right. But you want to do right don’t you?

I wasn’t referencing photocopying a whole book. (Which I would not do). I was thinking more of I read a book and think to myself,“Mom would like this book.” I wouldn’t tell her and “Mom this book was great you should buy it.” I would let her borrow or give her the book. I think there’s a reasonable expectation that if people are living in the same house they can share, copy or do whatever with their stuff. This reminds me of back in the day when my and my 3 brothers had our parents get 4 copies (I think) of the WWF Theme songs cd when we were kids. We had 4 of the same cd even though we were under the same roof. We could have shared the original (preferred) or if we had the technology made copies for each of us. Copyright law aside for the moment, I don’t think this would have been a big deal morally speaking. Either way looks like Sean Parker/Bill Gates created some interesting moral questions for us. :compcoff:

I think a lot of this depends on intent. If you intend to make 100 copies for profit is one thing, If you want to share music with loved ones (especially under the same roof) that’s another. I get the whole denying the artist a profit argument which I agree with in general, but you could argue that donating books and clothes is denying a company profit if people were to buy them otherwise. I’m not saying share you music with the whole world cause people gotta eat, but If you saying six people living in the same house have to buy 6 copies of the same mp3 I disagree.

 

[Booter]

Just to tie a boe on this thread…This is what the Recording Industry Association of America Says

riaa.com/physicalpiracy.php?content_selector=piracy_online_the_law

Copying CDs

◦It’s okay to copy music onto an analog cassette, but not for commercial purposes.
◦It’s also okay to copy music onto special Audio CD-R’s, mini-discs, and digital tapes (because royalties have been paid on them) – but, again, not for commercial purposes.
◦Beyond that, there’s no legal “right” to copy the copyrighted music on a CD onto a CD-R. However,** burning a copy of CD onto a CD-R, or transferring a copy onto your computer hard drive or your portable music player, won’t usually raise concerns so long as:

◦The copy is made from an authorized original CD that you legitimately own
◦The copy is just for your personal use. It’s not a personal use – in fact, it’s illegal – to give away the copy or lend it to others for copying.**◦The owners of copyrighted music have the right to use protection technology to allow or prevent copying.
◦Remember, it’s never okay to sell or make commercial use of a copy that you make.

So the law would says don’t go make copies of your cd’s for friends and stuff. I don’t think there’s a problem though copying cd’s for personal use if it’s with someone in the same house. E.G. If I asked my dad if I can have a cd he would give it to me, then I would be the owner of the cd. Definitely don’t a copies to sell or give away though. This is the law. Where this is on the morality scale, I have no clue

 

[ETEXAS]

Just to tie a boe on this thread…This is what the Recording Industry Association of America Says

riaa.com/physicalpiracy.php?content_selector=piracy_online_the_law

Copying CDs

◦It’s okay to copy music onto an analog cassette, but not for commercial purposes.
◦It’s also okay to copy music onto special Audio CD-R’s, mini-discs, and digital tapes (because royalties have been paid on them) – but, again, not for commercial purposes.
◦Beyond that, there’s no legal “right” to copy the copyrighted music on a CD onto a CD-R. However,** burning a copy of CD onto a CD-R, or transferring a copy onto your computer hard drive or your portable music player, won’t usually raise concerns so long as:

◦The copy is made from an authorized original CD that you legitimately own
◦The copy is just for your personal use. It’s not a personal use – in fact, it’s illegal – to give away the copy or lend it to others for copying.**◦The owners of copyrighted music have the right to use protection technology to allow or prevent copying.
◦Remember, it’s never okay to sell or make commercial use of a copy that you make.

So the law would says don’t go make copies of your cd’s for friends and stuff. I don’t think there’s a problem though copying cd’s for personal use if it’s with someone in the same house. E.G. If I asked my dad if I can have a cd he would give it to me, then I would be the owner of the cd. Definitely don’t a copies to sell or give away though. This is the law. Where this is on the morality scale, I have no clue

The simple answer is you MAY transfer “format form” for private use…even then morally I would add that the primary format is legal/valid…paid for! Hope this helps/makes sense.

 

[kooldood]

Yeah, makes sense to me, thanks for the formal copyright information:thumbsup:

 

[Booter]

I brought up this whole copying cd’s thing in confession today and the priest basically told me the very fact that I brought it up in confession instead of to a lawyer means i should know the answer. Based on that advice I have thrown out cd’s that were copied and deleting a buncha songs of my mp3 on my phone. It wasn’t fun or easy, but my conscience is clear. I’m big enough to admit when I’m wrong. Forgive me if I led anyone down the wrong road saying before that I didn’t have a problem copying cd’s…that’s all i gotta say…God Bless

 

[stevekehl]

Good for you. I remember throwing out a bunch of bootlegged cassettes back in the 80s and it wasn’t easy for me either. Like the credit card commercial, throwing out cassettes 50 cents a piece, a clear conscience priceless. God Bless you too.