Is She with Our Lord?

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The best you can do is entrust her soul to Our Lord - nothing more, nothing less.

I’m kind of astounded that you waited 2.5 months to get her baptised. I’m surprised no one on this board has said anything about that.

My condolences for your loss, but let this be a lesson: Have your children baptized as soon as possible - ESPECIALLY if they are sick/in the hospital.
 
The best you can do is entrust her soul to Our Lord - nothing more, nothing less.

I’m kind of astounded that you waited 2.5 months to get her baptised. I’m surprised no one on this board has said anything about that.

My condolences for your loss, but let this be a lesson: Have your children baptized as soon as possible - ESPECIALLY if they are sick/in the hospital.
That is what I meant by posting: “…It is very important to have our babies baptized. This is our duty as parents, and it is the greatest good we can do for our children. I don’t want to minimize that fact…”

Having said that…the OP’s first post makes it clear that this point is totally unnecessary. The family gets that. I would hope that if we knew someone with a child in intensive care after a car accident when the child wasn’t in a safety restraint that we wouldn’t be so callous as to remind the worried parents, “We’re so sorry, but let this be a lesson…”

This is the time for “…we’re all praying for her, she is in a wonderful hospital, and has the best doctors…” We aren’t peddling false hopes here. We’re not evading a teaching moment. We’re comforting the OP with the real teachings of the Catholic Church, right out of the mouth of the Holy Father himself: that is, there is serious reason to hope that these grieving parents will meet their beautiful and beloved child again in Heaven. Do we have a guarantee? No…but then, none of the rest of us do, either.

What is our prayer at every Mass, after the Our Father? “…Free us from all anxiety, as we wait in joyful hope…” Of course we should have no presumptions with regards to Divine Mercy, of course there is everything to be gained by praying for our beloved dead, but there is nothing to be gained by clinging to anxiety about them, either. In spite of a few who cling to misconceptions to the contrary, that is not Traditional Catholicism. That was a common misconception that some (not all) Traditionalists used to teach, but it is wrong. The whole idea of limbo, after all, was a traditional Catholic explanation meant to give appropriate comfort to the parents of unbaptized babies, and to recognize God’s unending love and mercy. If we are less comforting even than that, we have missed the mark.
 
That is what I meant by posting: “…It is very important to have our babies baptized. This is our duty as parents, and it is the greatest good we can do for our children. I don’t want to minimize that fact…”

Having said that…the OP’s first post makes it clear that this point is totally unnecessary. The family gets that. I would hope that if we knew someone with a child in intensive care after a car accident when the child wasn’t in a safety restraint that we wouldn’t be so callous as to remind the worried parents, “We’re so sorry, but let this be a lesson…”

This is the time for “…we’re all praying for her, she is in a wonderful hospital, and has the best doctors…” We aren’t peddling false hopes here. We’re not evading a teaching moment. We’re comforting the OP with the real teachings of the Catholic Church, right out of the mouth of the Holy Father himself: that is, there is serious reason to hope that these grieving parents will meet their beautiful and beloved child again in Heaven. Do we have a guarantee? No…but then, none of the rest of us do, either.

What is our prayer at every Mass, after the Our Father? “…Free us from all anxiety, as we wait in joyful hope…” Of course we should have no presumptions with regards to Divine Mercy, of course there is everything to be gained by praying for our beloved dead, but there is nothing to be gained by clinging to anxiety about them, either. In spite of a few who cling to misconceptions to the contrary, that is not Traditional Catholicism. That was a common misconception that some (not all) Traditionalists used to teach, but it is wrong. The whole idea of limbo, after all, was a traditional Catholic explanation meant to give appropriate comfort to the parents of unbaptized babies, and to recognize God’s unending love and mercy. If we are less comforting even than that, we have missed the mark.
I understand all that. That’s why I started off with “entrusting her soul to the Lord”. Outside of that, nothing more can be done.
 
I understand all that. That’s why I started off with “entrusting her soul to the Lord”. Outside of that, nothing more can be done.
Actually, I think that prayers for this child will prompt more prayers for others in the same situation–others who have no one to pray for them–and prayers of a kind that can hardly come from those of us who haven’t suffered this. That is a LOT more.

I know this thread has reminded me to pray for my own children even more. That is a grace from the OP, too, and from you. You are right, after all: we all have duties we can’t take for granted, even the joyful ones. That is worth remembering.
 
No one has forgotte it. Its a matter of whether physical baptism is the only way that it can be removed.

True, but are you limiting God to working only within the sacraments? Are God’s love, justice, and mercy truly limited to time, space, and timing? Or can God act as He wills?

Baptism by water is the normal/ordinary manner in which it can be removed. However the Church has also always recognized baptism by desire and by blood. So there are extraordinary means of removing original sin.

Its not about “comforting words” its about understanding the God who is love and who wills all to be saved. Everyone here is simply following the lead of Catechism of the Catholic Church.

We don’t know what happens to anyone.

Presumption is one thing, faith and trust is another.
The Church has pretty much answered the question about Baptism already. I would have assumed you as a Priest know that.

I don’t limit God to anything. But if He wants us to comply with a certain set of rules, which I guess he does, otherwise we would not have them, then I would expect that He expects us to abide by them. If we don’t abide by His rules, then I think it fair to think He might have some sort of issue with that. He has in the past you know. He gave us the sacraments. If we do not use them as He intended that is hardly His fault. We can hope that He overlooks it, but we have no assurance that He will.

Quite true, there have always been extraordinary means for cleansing Original Sin without water Baptism. However how they are applied is not up to us, it is up to God. We were all afforded the opportunity for salvation through the sacrifice of Christ at Calvary. However as I understand the Catholic way of seeing this while all CAN be saved** NOT** all will be saved for one reason or another. Some will not merit salvation.

Protestants on the other hand generally don’t believe in Original Sin, so all children are automatically saved and all adults will be saved, once they have accepted Christ…

And like it or not, that seems to be the idea that is floating around this particular thread.

Assuming that someone, anyone WILL be saved is indeed presuming upon God’s mercy. When you say that you know someone is in heaven, except as defined by the Church you are making that presumption. In effect you are setting yourself up as the Judge.

Not a position I would like to be in.
 
Actually, I think that prayers for this child will prompt more prayers for others in the same situation–others who have no one to pray for them–and prayers of a kind that can hardly come from those of us who haven’t suffered this. That is a LOT more.

I know this thread has reminded me to pray for my own children even more. That is a grace from the OP, too, and from you. You are right, after all: we all have duties we can’t take for granted, even the joyful ones. That is worth remembering.
I think that you are right on this one. I think, at least I hope, it will prompt more prayers and encourage people to abide by the rules of the Church more strictly.

I wonder how many people no longer pray for the Poor Souls in Purgatory because they assume everyone is in Heaven?:hmmm:
 
The Church has pretty much answered the question about Baptism already. I would have assumed you as a Priest know that.

I don’t limit God to anything. But if He wants us to comply with a certain set of rules, which I guess he does, otherwise we would not have them, then I would expect that He expects us to abide by them. If we don’t abide by His rules, then I think it fair to think He might have some sort of issue with that. He has in the past you know. He gave us the sacraments. If we do not use them as He intended that is hardly His fault. We can hope that He overlooks it, but we have no assurance that He will.

Quite true, there have always been extraordinary means for cleansing Original Sin without water Baptism. However how they are applied is not up to us, it is up to God. We were all afforded the opportunity for salvation through the sacrifice of Christ at Calvary. However as I understand the Catholic way of seeing this while all CAN be saved** NOT** all will be saved for one reason or another. Some will not merit salvation.

Protestants on the other hand generally don’t believe in Original Sin, so all children are automatically saved and all adults will be saved, once they have accepted Christ…

And like it or not, that seems to be the idea that is floating around this particular thread.

Assuming that someone, anyone WILL be saved is indeed presuming upon God’s mercy. When you say that you know someone is in heaven, except as defined by the Church you are making that presumption. In effect you are setting yourself up as the Judge.

Not a position I would like to be in.
Nevertheless, we do know the nature of God’s laws. We, as parents, make rules for our children. We don’t make them for the sake of making rules. We make our rules, rather, for the welfare of the children.

We do not let them play in the street, because they might be struck by a car. We insist they eat a balanced diet, because it will strengthen them and keep them healthy. We insist they do their school work, because education develops their abilities as persons. We would be failing them if we didn’t give them these rules, insist they be followed, and allow our children to face the consequences of failing to follow them. The consequences of their failing to follow the rules are natural ones. We can’t keep falls from hurting, pour knowledge into their heads, or force their bodies to grow and thrive without nourishment.

Having said that, when a child is struck by a car, we would gather her up and care for her wounds. When one gets sick, we feed him a bland diet that his stomach can stand, and let vegetables go for a few days. When they have difficulties with school work, we help them catch up, even if their difficulties are due in part to their own neglect of our rules. If their siblings are jealous of the attention, we let them know we are pleased with their efforts to follow the rules, but remind them that they will get the help they need when they are the ones who fall. (Remember the brother of the prodigal son!)

Whether we’ve failed or done our best, when a deed is done we put the results into the hands of God. We ask for forgiveness when we’ve failed, give gratitude for the help we’ve had when we succeed, and always trust that God is more faithful and solicitous for our welfare than we’ll ever be. We hope as much for mercy on others as we do for ourselves.

We can’t know what happens to anyone who dies, except when God lets us know by miracles that the person is a saint, when he wills that person be our special model and advocate. We can know that there will never be a corner open to Mercy where Mercy will not go. In that, we place our hope. We know that we are commanded to cooperate with every act of Mercy that is needed, and so we pray for the dead, console the sorrowing, encourage the doubtful, instruct the ignorant, and so on. We pray for the dead not because God will not care if we don’t, but because God has ordained that our own love and caring counts for something. To intercede for help from heaven is an ability that no other creature has, and so it is our joyful duty.
 
I wonder how many people no longer pray for the Poor Souls in Purgatory because they assume everyone is in Heaven?:hmmm:
There is some of that. It is a pity, because there are many graces to be had in every act of kindness extended to another soul, for everyone involved. I think that all in heaven will rejoice especially with the souls whom they have helped and loved directly, and who have helped and loved them.

God’s laws are so wonderful, such a blessing. No one who follows them will lack a reward.
 
The best you can do is entrust her soul to Our Lord - nothing more, nothing less.

I’m kind of astounded that you waited 2.5 months to get her baptised. I’m surprised no one on this board has said anything about that.

My condolences for your loss, but let this be a lesson: Have your children baptized as soon as possible - ESPECIALLY if they are sick/in the hospital.
Actually, I did state that on page one… as well as the need to confess… 😊
 
While I agree with alot of thing’s said on this thread, I must say the one thing I do not agree with is this. I do believe that my Child and the Person who started this threads children are in heaven for one reason. God said. Let the Children come to me.

I know that mistakes have been made, but I believe that there are reasons. And as horrible as the mistakes are it can save many other people from making them.

I believe in God and I believe the Holy SPirit is who moved the person who started this thread to start it for one reason and one reason only. To show us all. We don’t have forever. And I am sure if this person could turn back time, she would. Who wouldn’t. But its what she told us, that we will remember not to wait one second. We all think we have tommorow. Until death touch’s us personally we forget.

Yes, my love, you baby is with God, and your baby is a angel who showed alot of people today to not wait. You baby saved many of souls. You will never know the people who have received your message loud and clear. And I bet not only a ton of baby’s will be baptised soon, many children who’s parents waited got the message also. Thank you for sharing this horrible moment. I share with you your pain, and your loss. But remember one thing, I do not know you, nor you I. But I will also share in your joy with the help of God and see you in heaven. We of course must live our faith in the world the best we can, and if we do, we will meet in heaven. I will hold my baby and will be watching you hold yours. I am sure you have a horrible day once a year and remember as I do the day our baby’s left this world. But try to remember this, this is how I get through it. I think of it’s the day our baby’s looked into the eyes of Jesus and followed him home. 😃
 
Yes, your baby daughter rests with the Lord. While it may be true that we should not presume God’s mercy, as Christians we are entitled to presume God’s love. Allow that presumption to calm any fears you may have.
 
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