Is smoking a mortal sin???

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thistle:
I’m quite happy to accept that smoking is not a sin if that’s the Church’s official position but for my edification can someone then explain to me the purpose of a book having an Imprimatur. Doesn’t it mean that the contents of that book are doctrinally error free. If that’s the case then how can the book state that excessive smoking and drinking is a mortal sin?
An Imprimatur =Let it be printed] is an indication that a book has the premission and/or approval of the bishop. It may contain opinion. It usually indicates the bishop either personally agrees with the contents or that he thinks it is ok for Catholics to read and/or use. It is not in itself a declaration of freedom from error.

A Nihil Obstat =Nothing hinders] is a declaration by an approved censor that the book contains nothing damaging to faith and morals. It is therefore effectively a notification that the book is free of doctrinal error.

A book can be printed with an Imprimatur and no Nihil Obstat but not the other way around. If your booklet does not have a Nihil Obstat then it is just the opinion (albeit informed) of the writer with the local bishop’s approval.
 
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waxednwaned:
An Imprimatur does not guarantee it is without error:
It simply means that a Bishop said that the book could be writen, with or without errors. An “Imprimatur” is only as good as the Bishop who put it there.
If an Imprimatur is essentially meaningless why have it??
 
I found this at www.americancatholic.org when I was searching for what Imprimatur means.

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Reliable Catholic Teaching

Imprimatur is Latin for “let it be printed.” When a Roman Catholic bishop grants his imprimatur to a printed work, he assures the reader that nothing therein is contrary to Catholic faith or morals. This imprimatur is not given lightly; only after a thorough review process.

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“Reliable Catholic Teaching”
“Nothing therein is contrary to Catholic faith or morals”

That sounds to me like whatever is stated in book with an Imprimatur is correct so if a book states something is a sin, it must be!
 
Well… I gues if one doesn’t mind having an increased risk of lung cancer (less than 5% live longer than five years after diagnosis). And if slow suicide as opposed to quick and easy doesn’t faze one and ones smokng presents no danger to the Faith, light up dude. Its about like running to the nearest fire so one can enjoy inhaling the smoke and fumes.
 
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thistle:
I found this at www.americancatholic.org when I was searching for what Imprimatur means.

QUOTE

Reliable Catholic Teaching

Imprimatur is Latin for “let it be printed.” When a Roman Catholic bishop grants his imprimatur to a printed work, he assures the reader that nothing therein is contrary to Catholic faith or morals. This imprimatur is not given lightly; only after a thorough review process.

UNQUOTE

“Reliable Catholic Teaching”
“Nothing therein is contrary to Catholic faith or morals”

That sounds to me like whatever is stated in book with an Imprimatur is correct so if a book states something is a sin, it must be!
See my previous post. The definition you found is incorrect. I have not looked at the website and do not know who is responsible for it but they have clearly conflated the Nihil obstat and the Imprimatur into one. An Imprimatur is simply a bishop’s licence to print. Effectively any Catholic who wishes to print a book that touches on religion is required to obtain an Imprimatur (though this is not always done in these days). It may mean episcopal endorsement or it may not. Anyone wishing to publish a book expressing official Church teaching must obtain a Nihil obstat and this is most definitely NOT given lightly and does involve a lengthy review process.
 
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rwoehmke:
Well… I gues if one doesn’t mind having an increased risk of lung cancer (less than 5% live longer than five years after diagnosis). And if slow suicide as opposed to quick and easy doesn’t faze one and ones smokng presents no danger to the Faith, light up dude. Its about like running to the nearest fire so one can enjoy inhaling the smoke and fumes.
MY emphasis.

Thankyou rwoehmke for mentioning this. This is an important point. Smoking increases you risk of lung cancer, it is therefore a sufficient but not a necessary cause of cancer. If I am a soldier in wartime I am by definition increasing my risk of being killed. Does this mean that being a soldier is a sin? Likewise driving increases my risk of dying in an accident. Does this mean that driving is a sin? People have a bad habit of taking the increased risk as implying a certainty which is poor logic. (Also it would have been nice to make it clearer that only 5% of those with lung cancer live longer than 5 years. As written it seems to imply that only 5% of smokers live longer than 5 years.)

Slow suicide is an emotive and inaccurate term. If I ingest a poison over a period of time with the express intention of killing myself that is slow suicide. If I knowingly persist in drinking absinthe which will assuredly kill me then with or without the intention I am committing suicide. But if I merely do something which increases my risk of dying that is not suicide although it may be foolish. It depends on the level of risk. Anti-smokers may be convinced by “authorative assertions” by experts but there is much confusion about the studies and statistics. Most anti-smokers I know take it as a kind of “article of faith” or base it on some personal experience rather than as a logically researched position. This is not to say that they are wrong but to point to the lack of firm grounding in “facts” whether those facts support their contention or not. Most myths arise like this from people just knowing it must be so without checking or researching.

The Church in its wisdom understands this and does not impute bad motives to people who smoke. It does stress that “excess” is bad in this as in many other activities, not least because it will probably increase the risk beyond an acceptable level of tolerance. After all, if a person smokes all his/her life and dies at 90 (20more years than tha alloted 70) has he/she committed a sin? Thay can hardly be accused of committing slow suicide, especially as they have probably outlived many of their non-smoking contemporaries. and yes I HAVE known at least two people who smoked and died, one at 90 and one at 84, well beyond their alloted span.

Also a word of caution on statistics. A doctor friend of mine (a convinced non-smoker by the way) told me that at least in the hospital he works in they assume smoking is the cause of death in all smokers except in cases of an external agency (eg car crash, bullet etc.) thus falling for the correlation = causation fallacy. Anti-smoking stats are notoriously influenced by anti-smoking faith.

I think in charity posters here should stop casting aspersions of sin and bad faith around. Smoking may be an unwise activity but I doubt that any smokers here are deliberately trying to or expecting to commit suicide and to declare otherwise consitutes a grave slander.
 
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InnocentIII:
See my previous post. The definition you found is incorrect. I have not looked at the website and do not know who is responsible for it but they have clearly conflated the Nihil obstat and the Imprimatur into one. An Imprimatur is simply a bishop’s licence to print. Effectively any Catholic who wishes to print a book that touches on religion is required to obtain an Imprimatur (though this is not always done in these days). It may mean episcopal endorsement or it may not. Anyone wishing to publish a book expressing official Church teaching must obtain a Nihil obstat and this is most definitely NOT given lightly and does involve a lengthy review process.
Thanks. I had only mentioned the Imprimatur before because I din’t know what the other Latin expression meant. Let me therefore clarify about the book I have.

Its called How To Make A Good Confession.
It has an Imprimatur, Thomas H. McLaughlin, Bishop of Paterson.
It has an Nihil Obstat: Henry Zolzer, Censor librorum.
As you mention its the Nihil Obstat which a book needs to express an official Church teaching then the fact that this book states excessive smoking and drinking is a mortal sin, it must be the official Church teaching on this matter.
 
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thistle:
Thanks. I had only mentioned the Imprimatur before because I din’t know what the other Latin expression meant. Let me therefore clarify about the book I have.

Its called How To Make A Good Confession.
It has an Imprimatur, Thomas H. McLaughlin, Bishop of Paterson.
It has an Nihil Obstat: Henry Zolzer, Censor librorum.
As you mention its the Nihil Obstat which a book needs to express an official Church teaching then the fact that this book states excessive smoking and drinking is a mortal sin, it must be the official Church teaching on this matter.
🙂 Let us agree then that excessive smoking is a mortal sin. Let us also agree that smoking per se is not a sin. The sin lies in the degree not the action 👍

Moral theology is much less precise than other aspects of Church teaching and often revolves around degree and intent. It is the moral absolutism of some of the posts here that I find objectionable. The Church tries to restrict binding definitions of sin to those things which are always and everywhere sinful irrespective of intent or degree and this is as it should be.
 
InnocentIII said:
🙂 Let us agree then that excessive smoking is a mortal sin. Let us also agree that smoking per se is not a sin. The sin lies in the degree not the action 👍

Moral theology is much less precise than other aspects of Church teaching and often revolves around degree and intent. It is the moral absolutism of some of the posts here that I find objectionable. The Church tries to restrict binding definitions of sin to those things which are always and everywhere sinful irrespective of intent or degree and this is as it should be.

Thanks. I’ll go along with that. If you wonder why it was important for me to get an official view its because I have a relative who is a heavy smoker. He knows its bad for his health and has unsuccessfully tried to give up. He is a good Catholic and if heavy excessive smoking is a mortal sin then he might be pushed more to stop. I’m not concerned about scoring any theological points, but rather concerned about his health.
I do appreciate all the things I’ve learned in this thread.
 
Rebecca New:
I never thought of occassional smoking as a sin but decided to ask our priest during my confession. Father did not directly answer me but I continue to have the same feeling that if you are not addicted and can give up smoking for some time frequently and do not chain smoke-then it is no worse than eating a batch of fries or a hot fudge sundae. I have heard that St. Padre Pio is associated with the scent of roses or fresh tobacco-I have noted that people who hate smokers are at more risk than the smoker.
Also the chemicals that we use to clean with, soaps, sprays, automobile fumes, they cause cancer too-is driving a car a sin? I guess it is an unnecessary consumption that could become a sin very easily. I continue to pray-I have so many faults and shortcomings, as the Lord enlightens my thoughts I hope I will change.
👍 !! God Bless You Rebecca!
 
Imprimaturs are withdrawn from time to time, but in general that “Let it be printed” means there are no DANGERS to your faith in what is written. If you believe that a single puff of a Marlboro will break friendship with Jesus, and ergo you avoid the Marlboro’s, there is no danger in that. And remember, “excessive” transforms many a neutral act into a sinful one. Such as me posting on the forums at this time of night!😛
 
Too much artificial sweetner can cause cancer.
Too much Saturated Fats, Monounsaturated Fats and Polyunsaturated Fats cause blood flow to be blocked.
Too much car exhaust causes brain damage and death.

Goodbye Diet Coke.
Goodbye Food.
Goodbye Car.
 
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