Is smoking a mortal sin?

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And let’s get rid of automobiles…trucks…ships…industrial plants…airplanes…paper mills… nuclear power plants and all that nasty stuff! Thanks for being the health police, because, ya know, I just love it when someone else decides what’s best for me!
I understand if you’re in a restaurant, store, or other enclosed environment that it’s wrong to put another person at risk for an activity you’ve chosen. I totally agree with that. Outside though? Who made the earth your private property?
Wow, are you serious?

Assuming that you are (and if you’re not, I am at risk of looking foolish 😊 )

Just about everything of this earth is both good and bad. Automobiles help us do a lot of really great things, just about every day. But occasionally they can play a role in serious injury or death. We must responsibly weigh the good versus the bad to decide what is morally right, with respect to our use of the things of this world.

The good that cigarettes provide people would seem to pale in comparison to harm they do. They don’t seem to make people richer. They don’t seem to help people get along with others better. They don’t seem to help people breathe easier. They don’t seem to make people any holier. But they do encourage people to be litter bugs. They do encourage other people to disregard the rights of other not to breath their smoke. They do cause bodily harm, even if there is no cancer (just challenge a smoker to a foot race over 100 feet!). They do cause strife in marriages. They do reduce people to being unable to control themselves (they just have to have that cigarette, no matter what it costs). I think the bad obviously outweighs the good. That cannot be said about the other things you mention in your post.

A question for smokers: Do you want us (your brothers and sisters) to pay for your medical care when you get cancer? If you have insurance or Medicaid or Medicare, that is what happens. You force us to pay for your self-abuse. When we have the abilty to say ‘no, I will not pay for that’, then smokers should have the freedom to smoke. Until then, they hurt us in addition to hurting themselves.

Some non-smoker sentiment;

Our world is not your ashtray.

Dan
 
As we know, the three requirements for a sin to be mortal are:
  1. Serious Matter.
  2. Knowledge or firm belief that the act is seriously wrong, prior to committing the act, and
  3. Full consent of the will.
Lets assume that the smoker knows its a serious matter, lets say, thou shall not kill. Let’s also say the smoker knows its seriously wrong. BUT, the smoker is addicted and cannot have full consent of the will.

I say, sure, at some point, the smoker MAY have sinned. That is, at some point, he wasn’t yet addicted, maybe even saw it coming, but failed to stop. But I’ll maintain that once hooked, the smoker looses the full will necessary to make continued smoking a mortal sin.
 
As we know, the three requirements for a sin to be mortal are:
  1. Serious Matter.
  2. Knowledge or firm belief that the act is seriously wrong, prior to committing the act, and
  3. Full consent of the will.
Lets assume that the smoker knows its a serious matter, lets say, thou shall not kill. Let’s also say the smoker knows its seriously wrong. BUT, the smoker is addicted and cannot have full consent of the will.

I say, sure, at some point, the smoker MAY have sinned. That is, at some point, he wasn’t yet addicted, maybe even saw it coming, but failed to stop. But I’ll maintain that once hooked, the smoker looses the full will necessary to make continued smoking a mortal sin.
Some very good points. I do have a question.

Is addiction a loss of full will? Or does full will remain, and a more significant temptation rise up? “The spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak”. The spirit is ‘full will’. The flesh is made even weaker by the addiction, making it even harder for the spirit to force its will on the individual. I’m not sure that the addition takes away full will. Just not so sure.

Dan
 
I am not sure that applies uniformly. What about suicide? What is the morally temperate position for suicide? Do we have to kill ourselves just so? If we don’t kill ourselves quite enough, is that a sin?

Dan
Living does not fall under the virtue of temperance like alcohol, tobacco, etc. do.
 
Well, if smoking is indeed a mortal sin, then our pope is sinning big time. I read somewhere that he smokes Marlboro’s

Kathy
 
As we know, the three requirements for a sin to be mortal are:
  1. Serious Matter.
  2. Knowledge or firm belief that the act is seriously wrong, prior to committing the act, and
  3. Full consent of the will.
Lets assume that the smoker knows its a serious matter, lets say, thou shall not kill. Let’s also say the smoker knows its seriously wrong. BUT, the smoker is addicted and cannot have full consent of the will.

I say, sure, at some point, the smoker MAY have sinned. That is, at some point, he wasn’t yet addicted, maybe even saw it coming, but failed to stop. But I’ll maintain that once hooked, the smoker looses the full will necessary to make continued smoking a mortal sin.
Yes, I believe this is true for drinking and overeating as well. And now that transfats are proven to be artery-clogging…but that’s another topic.
 
Well, if smoking is indeed a mortal sin, then our pope is sinning big time. I read somewhere that he smokes Marlboro’s

Kathy
I don’t know if that’s true or not, but it would certainly not be out of the question that he managed a quick smoke before he stepped out on the balcony after his election–something unimaginable to most modern Americans of any denomination but still routine in many other places.

The issue with smoking is not only one of self-charity, but of other charity. In plain English, smokers are selfish critters who for centuries have been taking advantage of what was historically social acceptance of their habit to indulge it no matter what harm they were doing to themselves, others, and indirectly to others through the environment (cigarettes are the single largest source of litter). Somehow along the way, when most other denominations realized that this was a foul and, yes, evil habit, Catholics learned to gloss over it as a normal indulgence, no worse than a cup of coffee. This has never been officially re-thought, and probably never will be, but if there is hypocrisy in the minutiae of Catholic moral teaching, then this is one of the subjects that would have to be examined in order to address it.

“Father, I accidentally ate a piece of baloney that someone mistakenly put in my veggie sub sandwich last Friday. I don’t want to go to hell because I know that eating meat on Friday is a mortal sin.” (Oh, BTW, I smoked three packs a day every day since my last confession but would never consider mentioning that because it’s not on the official list of sins and I rationalize my way around what it’s doing to me and everyone around me, including my children. Besides, Father, you smoke too.)
 
Used to be a Infanter dealt with lots of things that could damage destory my body. Was my job then as sinfull as a prostitutes or an assasins? Of course not. Yes your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit where does this Spirit dwell your soul so keep your soul clean and ready for God do dwell in you. We are not Greeks worshiping the body. Yes cigarets can cause various health problems and one would do well to advoid smoking for those reasons and although this act can lead to death so can driving a car walking down the street eating McDonalds. Heathliness is not Holiness so maximaly smoking is a venial sin. Besides death is a good/bad thing and one may court martyrdom the evil of suicide is that it is an act of hate towards life and Gods supreme dominion over it.
 
Used to be a Infanter dealt with lots of things that could damage destory my body. Was my job then as sinfull as a prostitutes or an assasins? Of course not. Yes your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit where does this Spirit dwell your soul so keep your soul clean and ready for God do dwell in you. We are not Greeks worshiping the body. Yes cigarets can cause various health problems and one would do well to advoid smoking for those reasons and although this act can lead to death so can driving a car walking down the street eating McDonalds. Heathliness is not Holiness so maximaly smoking is a venial sin. Besides death is a good/bad thing and one may court martyrdom the evil of suicide is that it is an act of hate towards life and Gods supreme dominion over it.
The question of the morality of smoking would seem to be one of reasonably picking the best balance between value delivered. versus harm done. For your analogies, the value delivered is very apparent. Driving a car can provide great benefit, walking down the street can, and even eating at McDonalds can provide great benefit to a person (we all need to eat to live). Virtually all accept these things as providing a reasonable amout of good, considering the risk that results.

For smoking (or more precisely, the amount) to be considered moral, the benefit to ourselves and others must reasonably outweigh the risks associated with the action. A risk dimension of cigarettes that does not generally exist with automobiles, walking, and McDonalds, is one of addiction. The risk of addiction to cigarettes is well known. This risk exists even with ‘moderate’ use. ‘Moderate’ use (perhaps one cigarette a day, or less), which might otherwise be justifiable considering benefits the user obtained versus the other minor risks, has to also weigh in the great risk of addiction, which will necessarily be a very bad thing.

For smoking anymore than 1 cigarette a day, I would challenge any one to justify the damage to themselves, their family, and to their neighbors (society) that naturally results from smoking, against the benefits that are delivered. The benefits are almost entirely selfish; the satisfaction of an unnatural urge that resulted form allowing oneself to become addicted. The costs to themselves and others is very great. Most smokers will irrationally seek to ignore or diminish the cost of their smoking to the world. What are the costs? This is not meant to be a complete list, but it is significant nonetheless.

Increased risk of death.
Decrease in physical ability.
The significant risk of the financial burden they place on their families and society if they do get ill.
Time spent smoking reduces the amount of time we have for our jobs, and sometimes our family (I see a lot of smokers nowadays sitting on the porch by themselves because they are at least considerate enough not to smoke around their family. But their family loses out still.)
They generally allow their care for others to diminish, they become complacent to the direct consequences others have to bear as a result of their smoking. (They tend to litter profusely, they force others to breathe their smoke, they force others to pay [through insurance, Medicare and Medicaid] for their smoking induced ills). It takes much reduction in our true care for others for one’s conscience to tolerate the things that that are done to others as a result of smoking.
Expenditures reduce family resources, to the extent the smoker is responsible for a family.
Expenditures spent on cigarettes reduce our ability to be financially generous.

What are the benefits? Exercising the freedom to stay addicted?

That would seem to be clearly an unreasonable amount of cost and risk for a very small and selfish benefit.

Dan
 
I know JPII did. Does Benedict XVI do this too? (go to confession weekly)
catholic.org/national/national_story.php?id=23396

half way down
And Pope Benedict XVI weighed in. During a Feb. 19 meeting with father confessors of Roman basilicas, he commented: “How many penitents find in confession the peace and joy they were seeking for so long. Christ has chosen us, dear priests, to be the only ones with the power to pardon sins in his name. This then, is a specific ecclesial service to which we must give priority.”
Last year, Pope Benedict recommended the practice of weekly confession, especially for priests, which he follows himself.
Tak
 
I had a thought about this while on my evening walk yesterday. I’m sure it is not the first time someone has suggested this, I just had not seen it posted here. No matter how numerous your venial sins, there are never enough of them to add up to a mortal sin. The relevant ‘action’ of smoking would seem to be lighting up and smoking a cigarette. The harm done by smoking one cigarette may not be enough to suggest it would be a mortal sin.

But, maybe one of the the first ones smoked is. Because it will be one of the first ones that will start the addiction, and the act of starting an addiction may be serious enough to be a mortal sin. Assuming one knows that smoking is addictive, which is just about everyone in the modern world.

I looked online to determine if Pope Benedict smokes. I could not find anything about Benedict XVI. Pope Benedict XIII seemed to be a ‘tobacco user’. Pope Benedict XVI does not strike me as the type of person who would smoke.

Dan
 
Ahh, yes, I understand, agree, and have learned from you. Thank you. Perhaps I can come up with a better analogy.

Dan
My post about there existing the sin of “not smoking enough” was supposed to be kind of humorous. What St. Thomas says about drinking is that if someone avoided drinking alcohol to the point of harming nature it would be a sin.

In practice, it’s hard to imagine a case where you would harm nature by not smoking, but I still hold that it’s theoretically possible.

Why?

Because we’ve got to make that “not too little” and “not too much” balance work for things governed by Temperance! 🙂
 
Considering the requirements for an action to be mortally sinful, smoking would need to meet all three conditions.

Is it grave matter? No.

Is it done with full knowledge that it is seriously wrong? No, as this cannot be answered yes with the first question being yes. Of course a person could mistakenly believe it to be grave matter and choose to do it anyway, thereby satisfying both conditions.

Is full consent of the will given? Usually. If one’s will says otherwise, no amount of addiction forces one to walk into the market, buy cigarettes, and then smoke. It is a choice.

If we were to consider the gravity of the matter, we can ask is a person who smokes and eventually dies of emphysema quilty of commiting suicide? Can the same be said of the person who smokes his whole life and dies of other causes? What if he lives to be fifty or sixty? How about eighty or ninety? What of the one who sucks on life-safers all day and eventually loses his teeth and developes a serious infection which he ends up dying from?
Looking at another way, is a person who smokes only one cigarette guilty of harming his health by such a degree that it can be called grave matter? What about three, or ten, or how about a pack a day? Is the person eating candy guilty of same? One piece, three pieces, a bag a day?

In Christ - J.M.J.
Mapleoak
 
Considering the requirements for an action to be mortally sinful, smoking would need to meet all three conditions.

Is it grave matter? No.

If we were to consider the gravity of the matter, we can ask is a person who smokes and eventually dies of emphysema quilty of commiting suicide? Can the same be said of the person who smokes his whole life and dies of other causes? What if he lives to be fifty or sixty? How about eighty or ninety? What of the one who sucks on life-safers all day and eventually loses his teeth and developes a serious infection which he ends up dying from?
Looking at another way, is a person who smokes only one cigarette guilty of harming his health by such a degree that it can be called grave matter? What about three, or ten, or how about a pack a day? Is the person eating candy guilty of same? One piece, three pieces, a bag a day?

In Christ - J.M.J.
Mapleoak
Can wanton disregard for one’s body be grave matter? Would a person jumping off a very high bridge for a thrill, and accepting a 50% chance of death as a result of their actions, be guilty of committing a gravely immoral act? I would suggest so. Even if the act is not 100% successful in resulting in the acters demise, if it may reasonably do so, it would seem to be grave matter.

Smoking may result in pre-mature death. Reasonbly so.

Dan
 
It would seem the mortal discernment with smoking would depend on whether a single cigarette in itself is sufficient to be called grave matter. I would tend to think (I may be wrong) that a lone cigarette in an of itself, smoked now and then, would not be of significance to ones health in sufficient degree to be called grave matter. The accumulative affect could certainly amount to grave matter.
I think the moral dilemna rests in the development of enslaving oneself to a vice and could possibly fall under the capital sin of gluttony.

In Christ - J.M.J.
Mapleoak
 
Since smoking kills you slowly is it a mortal sin since it causes death by causing cancer?
To commit a mortal sin, three things need to take place…and one of those things needs to be intent to commit a sin. If it were a sin, and one insists on commiting it, with no repentance, then it would be considered a mortal sin. Most smokers are addicted to their behavior. It’s something they have done for years possibly, and although are slowing killing themselves, need the fix that they are deriving from the nicotine. My dad was a devout Catholic, but smoked.

I liken smoking or any addictive behavior to someone who is leaning on a vice to get through the day. I consider it a venial sin perhaps. I sometimes worry too much, and that is not healthy, and it takes me away from my relationship with God. I don’t ‘mean’ to, but sometimes, it just happens. Smokers have to find the will to quit…but often, they are clinging to smoking out of habit, wanting to stay slim, boredom, nerves, whatever. In the process of clinging to that vice, they are not clinging to God.

If we cling to vices and not to God, that can ultimately hurt our relationship with God–but I don’t see it as fitting the category of a mortal sin. Interesting topic!
 
I despise smoking. My dad died from it. I also think it’s rude to have to smell it wafting in my direction in a restaurant, despite my request for a non smoking section.

People do not have the rights to inflict second hand smoke on others. One of the pluses of Florida…every public place is non smoking, baby! Halleluiah! :clapping: I’m relocating there soon…here I come! Second hand smoke will be a thing of the past for me.
 
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