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KathleenElsie
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Is SS a big T or small t to those that follow it? Otherwise please give chapter and verse where we can find it and thus cn also believe.
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kaycee
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I see there is a never ending supply of straw to burn.
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Lampo
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Oh, okay. I didn’t realize no Protestant believes what I posed in those questions. My bad.I see there is a never ending supply of straw to burn.
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SolaScriptura
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Everything you need to know for your salvation is in the Bible. Do you agree or disagree?
The church. That is in the bible.
No, they go to seminary, because the Scriptures tell them to study to show themselves approved, rightly dividing the word of God.
Why do Catholics go to Seminary? Do they believe Seminary can teach them something the infallible magisterium cannot?
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Lampo
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You didn’t answer my first question. Thanks for answering the second and third.
I’ll try and answer your last question after you answer my first.
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eliasaph99
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Of course.
Your signature line claims that the scripture cannot be interpreted correctly without adhering to tradition.
But, obviously, your whole purpose for being here is to convince people otherwise.
It’s self-contradictory for you to have it as your signature line.
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eliasaph99
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The magisterium does it throught the seminary.
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Lampo
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Then aren’t we as Catholic Christians right in listening to the church in matters of faith and morals?
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KathleenElsie
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Lampo
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A seminary is a school in which priests are trained. A priest is the representative of Christ among men: his mission is to carry on Christ’s work for the salvation of souls; in Christ’s name and by His power, he teaches men what they ought to believe and what they ought to do: he forgives sins, and offers in sacrifice the Body and Blood of Christ. He is another Christ (sacerdos alter Christus). His training, therefore, must be in harmony with this high office and consequently different in many ways from the preparation for secular professions. He must possess not only a liberal education, but also professional knowledge, and moreover, like an army or navy officer, he needs to acquire the manners and personal habits becoming his calling. To teach candidates for the priesthood what a priest ought to know and to make them what a priest ought to be is the purpose of seminary education; to this twofold end everything in the form of studies and discipline must be directed.
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BrianH
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For seminary students who attend an ATS accredited school,
ats.edu/member_schools/denom.asp
you will definitely find students from all diffferent tradtions. Most ATS schools offer the polity courses from other denominations for their ordinations as well. I am sure that is not the case for more fundamentalist Christians and seminaries.
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heisenburg
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!!! QUICK RANT ON SCIENTIFIC STATEMENTS !!!
IGNORE IF IT IS DETRACTING FROM THE THREAD
Just a pet peave of mine.
(I firmly believe in evolution but in the sense of it was a tool used by God… ie intelegint design)
a fact is nearly impossible to a scientist
a theory to a scientist = fact for most nonscientist
an idea or hopythesis = theory for layman
far flung ideas to scientist = ideas to laymen.
anyway i dont not want to hijack the thread. if you want to continue this discussion, please open a new thread!
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Sorry for the rant guys… hearing people say “Oh its only a theory” is a pet peave
In Christ
IGNORE IF IT IS DETRACTING FROM THE THREAD
Just a pet peave of mine.
- Scientists will NEVER say anything is FACT. There is no LAW of gravity, there is a theory of gravity, there are Newtons LAWS, but these have been proven inadaquate and sumplimented by quantum THEORY and the THEORY of relativity.
- When a Scientist says something is a THEORY, they are merely saying that there is SUBSTANTIAL evedince to suggest X. What people here imply when they say “Oh, its only a theory” is that there is little to no support. This is BUMPKIS. what people here call a theory, is what a scientist would call a hyposthesis or idea. it is not a THEORY until there is ample evidence to suggest it. PLEASE DO NOT CONFUSE THESE TERMS.
- Even if something is nearly irrevutable, like the THEORY of gravity, they will almost NEVER call it a LAW or a FACT. Scientist will always leave open the door that they are wrong. However, if it has been PROMOTED to a theory, there will require substantial COUTER evidence to refute it.
(I firmly believe in evolution but in the sense of it was a tool used by God… ie intelegint design)
- There is AMPLE and OVERWHELLMING evidence to POINT TO evolution. NOT darwinian evolution, as even most scientist agree this is unlikely Darwinian evolution does not account for random and apparann jumps in evoltution. This is why you here people talking about missing links to a species. personally, says to me… God did something.
- C-14 dating IS ACCURATE!!! This hooeey about “well, how do you know it wasnt always such!” is garbage. C-14 is a repeatible and MEASURABLE rate of decay of the radioactive C14 atom. saying it has changed is not scientific
- Evolution taks place even today. Small changes make this species mroe apt for an environment. this has been shown COUNTLESS times. to say microevolution exists, but not macro, again, is bumpkis. though 1+1 will never equal 1000 (without god), 1+1+1+1… can.
- I REITERATE… a theory in the context of the scientific method means there is an AMAZING level of support. So much so that most nonscientific people would consider that something a fact.
a fact is nearly impossible to a scientist
a theory to a scientist = fact for most nonscientist
an idea or hopythesis = theory for layman
far flung ideas to scientist = ideas to laymen.
anyway i dont not want to hijack the thread. if you want to continue this discussion, please open a new thread!
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Sorry for the rant guys… hearing people say “Oh its only a theory” is a pet peave
In Christ
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SolaScriptura
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Every Christian should listen to the church, but this does not mean in an absolute sense. The Scriptures themselves warn us against wolves arising in the church that we should refute and not listen to.
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Lampo
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Well, which church then? I have a friend who is teaching false doctrine about Baptism to my children. As a good father and (hopefully!) a good Christian, I want my children to have the truth. In order to follow Jesus (as you said above–and I agree), I should do what He said to do about this situation. He said:
“If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have won over your brother. If he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, so that every fact may be established on the testimony of two or three witnesses. If he refuses to listen to them, tell the church. If he refuses to listen even to the church, then treat him as you would a Gentile or a tax collector.” Matt. 18:15-17
So, as Jesus said, I go to him alone, but he will not listen. I then take along a couple of friends and go to him again. He still will not listen. So, as Jesus said, I am to take it to the church.
Here is my question: Which church do I take it to? Some teach Baptism is for everyone; some say it is not for infants. Some teach that Baptism is regenerative; others say it is merely symbolic. Some teach Baptism is not necessary at all. They all claim to be guided by the Holy Spirit.
Please do not tell me to take my problem to the Bible and ask the Holy Spirit to guide me. That’s not what Jesus said to do. He didn’t say, “Go to the Bible to find out what it says about your problem” and He didn’t say, “Go to the Bible to find out which church is the right one.”
If I am going to follow Him, I need to do what He said. He said, “Take it to the church.”
Which church?
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SolaScriptura
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OK, here is your first question:
I’ve never said everything we need to know as Christians is in the Bible. What I have said is that everything we need to know for our salvation is in the bible. Having a list of the books is not needed for our salvation. This is obviously true, because the Jews had what was needed for their salvation before the NT was even written. Think on that.
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Lampo
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Think on that? Thanks for the smart alec tone and answering my first question.
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Lampo
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Who’s authority are you relying on that everything we need to know for our salvation is in the Bible?
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SolaScriptura
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I’m sorry. I wasn’t trying to be a smart alec, but actually telling you to think about the repercussions of what I just said.
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Lampo
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No problem. Tone is hard to convey this way.
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SolaScriptura
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God’s authority in the Scripture themselves. Read 2 Timothy 3 where is says just that about the Scriptures in reference to Timothy in his childhood. Now of course this was even before the full canon we have today.
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