Is Solipsism a Sin?

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Solipsism (Latin: solus, alone + ipse, self) is the philosophical idea that “My mind is the only thing that I know exists.”
I kind of think solipsistically. I believe there’s no way to know for sure that the other ‘people’ and ‘things’ I see are not just figments of my imagination.

I believe in God though, and I believe God must have made my mind. So it’s not complete solipsism. Also since God chose to let me interact with these other people as if they were real, I generally just assume they are real. But I don’t know with absolute proof that they are real. Whatever ‘real’ means.

So am I a solipsism heretic?
 
I kind of think solipsistically. I believe there’s no way to know for sure that the other ‘people’ and ‘things’ I see are not just figments of my imagination.

I believe in God though, and I believe God must have made my mind. So it’s not complete solipsism. Also since God chose to let me interact with these other people as if they were real, I generally just assume they are real. But I don’t know with absolute proof that they are real. Whatever ‘real’ means.

So am I a solipsism heretic?
Are you disobeying the commandments, or not living out the beaditudes as a result of this thinking? If not, I see no sin.
 
I kind of think solipsistically. I believe there’s no way to know for sure that the other ‘people’ and ‘things’ I see are not just figments of my imagination.

I believe in God though, and I believe God must have made my mind. So it’s not complete solipsism. Also since God chose to let me interact with these other people as if they were real, I generally just assume they are real. But I don’t know with absolute proof that they are real. Whatever ‘real’ means.

So am I a solipsism heretic?
If we take this to the logical conclusion, there’s no way you can have a certain belief in Jesus Christ, since a solipsist must presume that the authors of the Bible - and consequently, the Bible itself - could be figments of the imagination as well.
 
If we take this to the logical conclusion, there’s no way you can have a certain belief in Jesus Christ, since a solipsist must presume that the authors of the Bible are figments of the imagination as well.
Do any of us have a certain belief in Jesus? It’s faith, not certainty.

But, I could believe that God gave me imaginary thoughts of an imaginary bible to let me know about His Son.

Maybe there are crazy people who have hallucinations about Jesus (or about reading a book about Jesus) that God gives them so that they can come to believe too. Who knows. Maybe I’m one of them and this Catholic Answers Forum is a hallucination?
 
If you are serious, then yes this is heresy. You are denying the most fundamental truth of the faith: God created everything.

This sounds like New Age-ism. Catholic Answers just had a program or two on not too long ago regarding people who don’t believe evil things can happen because God didn’t create evil and therefore bad things that happen are only in the mind. Its messed up.

And may I ask, if you believe this then exactly who do you think you are asking?
 
Do any of us have a certain belief in Jesus? It’s faith, not certainty.
The issue isn’t total certainty. The danger of solopsism is that it provides a pseudo-rational foundation for total disbelief.
But, I could believe that God gave me imaginary thoughts of an imaginary bible to let me know about His Son.
But then you’d also have to ponder whether the source of those imaginary thoughts were also imaginary. Since God is not apparent to the senses, you would have to wrestle with the possibility that what thoughts you think are coming from God are just coming from your imagination.
Maybe there are crazy people who have hallucinations about Jesus (or about reading a book about Jesus) that God gives them so that they can come to believe too. Who knows. Maybe I’m one of them and this Catholic Answers Forum is a hallucination?
A hallucination is a defect of the thought process, not a message from God. Because it is a defect - an evil - a hallucination cannot come from God. A dream, yes. A hallucination, no.
 
If you are serious, then yes this is heresy. You are denying the most fundamental truth of the faith: God created everything.

This sounds like New Age-ism. Catholic Answers just had a program or two on not too long ago regarding people who don’t believe evil things can happen because God didn’t create evil and therefore bad things that happen are only in the mind. Its messed up.

And may I ask, if you believe this then exactly who do you think you are asking?
I basically go on the assumption that you are probably a real person like me, and that the world is probably real and not a figment of my imagination. But I don’t feel like I know for sure. Maybe this is a dream and I’ll wake up from it some day and think “wow, that was a long weird dream!”
 
Mostly I’d just say it’s verging on useless. Ever slap your hand down on a hot burner? I’m about as skeptical as they come, but that is real enough for me - ow!
 
I kind of think solipsistically. I believe there’s no way to know for sure that the other ‘people’ and ‘things’ I see are not just figments of my imagination.
That makes you pretty special I suppose. I am not real, just a figment of your imagination. :rolleyes:
How’d you get so lucky?
I believe in God though, and I believe God must have made my mind. So it’s not complete solipsism.
The problem is such thinking would by its nature deny Christ, His crucifixion, death, and resurrection. He wouldn’t have actually been killed by man, since man wouldn’t exist. If He actually came into your mind to have you perceive that He died and arose, it would have only been to redeem your mind. See the logical falacy?
Also since God chose to let me interact with these other people as if they were real, I generally just assume they are real. But I don’t know with absolute proof that they are real. Whatever ‘real’ means.
Sometimes it is better not to think to hard. Ones quest for knowledge may ultimately lead one to deceive himself. Point to ponder. 😉
 
The problem is such thinking would by its nature deny Christ, His crucifixion, death, and resurrection. He wouldn’t have actually been killed by man, since man wouldn’t exist. If He actually came into your mind to have you perceive that He died and arose, it would have only been to redeem your mind. See the logical falacy?
Well, there could be other people out there like me whose imaginations are full of imaginary people. And maybe Christ came into their imaginations in the same way He came into mine? Is that necessarily heretical or a fallacy or wrong? As long as I believe within the context of “what is presented to me as reality” that Christ died for us, isn’t that enough?

Isn’t the whole universe just held in being by one of God’s thoughts anyway? What does it really mean for it to be “real” as opposed to “a bunch of things presented to us as real”? I don’t even see the difference.

Maybe you are also imagining your own world, but God has allowed our two imaginary worlds to share a bit of imaginary-space-time so that we can have this conversation. Except maybe in your world the conversation makes less sense. And maybe in my world everything is really lousy, and in yours its much nicer, but otherwise the same.
 
Come every April 15…a 'real’thing happens…our wonderful nanny government has its hand out ,demanding we pay tribute for being ‘real’ i.e.a citizen of the USA. Years ago on classic radio there was a great show called…The Shadow…a series about a man about town who when called upon to help the unfortunate has the power to cloud mens minds so that they cant see him…so this 'real’person becomes temporarily invisible…he of course had trouble with animals,automatic opening and closing doors etc.You sound like a college kid taking a course on deep 'thinkers ’ like Nietzsche,Marx,Comte,Sarte (always good for a laugh)Bultmann,Altizer,Merleau-Ponty etc etc…I used to call this my white knuckle time in class…going to college evenings for 8 years after working all day and spending some time with my kids from 330 to 5pm then off to college,it was kinda rough listening to this stuff…reality is what those poor people in Georga are experiencing with the soviet tanks invading their nation…thats real,no matter how they think of the olympics and those cheering throngs,they cant forget that they are now homeless…some 160,000 of them …but who cares…lets chat …‘reality’…
 
You sound like a college kid taking a course on deep 'thinkers ’ like Nietzsche,Marx,Comte,Sarte (always good for a laugh)Bultmann,Altizer,Merleau-Ponty etc etc…I used to call this my white knuckle time in class…going to college evenings for 8 years after working all day and spending some time with my kids from 330 to 5pm then off to college,it was kinda rough listening to this stuff…reality is what those poor people in Georga are experiencing with the soviet tanks invading their nation…thats real,no matter how they think of the olympics and those cheering throngs,they cant forget that they are now homeless…some 160,000 of them …but who cares…lets chat …‘reality’…
I actually came up with these ideas on my own before I found out there was something called “philosophy” and “solipsism” LOL. So it’s not just something some weirdo philosophers stuck in my head 😃
 
I came across this thread yesterday and then later came upon the following passage while reading Chesterton’s book on St. Thomas Aquinas, and i thought it might fit in well here:
Thus, even those who appreciate the metaphysical depth of Thomism in other matters have expressed surprise that he does not deal at all with what many now think the main metaphysical question; whether we can prove that the primary act of recognition of any reality is real. The answer is that St. Thomas recognised instantly, what so many modern sceptics have begun to suspect rather laboriously; that a man must either answer that question in the affirmative, or else never answer any question, never ask any question, never even exist intellectually, to answer or to ask. I suppose it is true in a sense that a man can be a fundamental sceptic, but he cannot be anything else: certainly not even a defender of fundamental scepticism. If a man feels that all the movements of his own mind are meaningless, then his mind is meaningless, and he is meaningless; and it does not mean anything to attempt to discover his meaning. Most fundamental sceptics appear to survive, because they are not consistently sceptical and not at all fundamental. They will first deny everything and then admit something, if for the sake of argument–or often rather of attack without argument. I saw an almost startling example of this essential frivolity in a professor of final scepticism, in a paper the other day. A man wrote to say that he accepted nothing but Solipsism, and added that he had often wondered it was not a more common philosophy. Now Solipsism simply means that a man believes in his own existence, but not in anybody or anything else. And it never struck this simple sophist, that if his philosophy was true, there obviously were no other philosophers to profess it.
To this question “Is there anything?” St. Thomas begins by answering “Yes”; if he began by answering “No”, it would not be the beginning, but the end. That is what some of us call common sense. Either there is no philosophy, no philosophers, no thinkers, no thought, no anything; or else there is a real bridge between the mind and reality.
As to whether solipsism is sinful, i don’t know but i would suggest that it could be dangerous and could lead you down a dark path. For it seems to me that it is believing in nothing but yourself. Which is not too far away from “everything revolves around me.” Nor too far away from paranoia. So i’d advise treading carefully along this line of thinking as i really don’t see it leading anywhere productive.

For in the end, as with paranoia, where does it really get you? Sure, everything could be a dream or some grand conspiracy. But it gets you nowhere thinking that way. There’s no bridge there, as Chesterton alluded to. There’s nowhere to go with it except deeper inside yourself and deeper into your own inner and quite small world of reality.

Or to put it another way, there is nowhere to go except deeper into darkness and further away from the Light. And that, in my opinion, is the main risk.
 
I find it hard to believe that this is all just a figment of my imagination because I am pretty sure I could have come up with something a whole lot happier than the reality we all currently face.

🙂

I’m just sayin…
 
I find it hard to believe that this is all just a figment of my imagination because I am pretty sure I could have come up with something a whole lot happier than the reality we all currently face.

🙂

I’m just sayin…
Are your dreams better than this reality?

Some of my dreams are better, some are worse. Who makes your dreams… your imagination or God?
 
I basically go on the assumption that you are probably a real person like me, and that the world is probably real and not a figment of my imagination. But I don’t feel like I know for sure. Maybe this is a dream and I’ll wake up from it some day and think “wow, that was a long weird dream!”
But, how will you know that you are no longer dreaming? Perhaps you have only dreamed about waking up!

This is the pointlessness of Solipsism. The adherent can never be sure because the logic behind the belief is fundamentally flawed. If all is a dream, then it is a dream that all is a dream, and so on, and on.
 
The common misunderstanding about solipsism (sole ipse, I beleive it comes from, or “I alone am.”) is twofold: the dream aspect is mistaken to be a personal dream of a discreet individual and a misunderstanding of the word “I” as it is used in non-dualist philosophies. Catholicism does not admit that use of “I” although non-dualists claim it is clearly intended in the Bible in both the OT and NT.

One of the root meanings of “sin” is “to miss the poiint.” So in that regard most discussions about this topic, having missed the point of proper definitions ans the understanding thereof, are “sins,” lol!
 
I kind of think solipsistically. I believe there’s no way to know for sure that the other ‘people’ and ‘things’ I see are not just figments of my imagination.

I believe in God though, and I believe God must have made my mind. So it’s not complete solipsism. Also since God chose to let me interact with these other people as if they were real, I generally just assume they are real. But I don’t know with absolute proof that they are real. Whatever ‘real’ means.

So am I a solipsism heretic?
Not at all. You have realised that you - and all of us - are in the “egocentric predicament”. The only fact of which we can be certain is that we are thinking - as pointed out by Descartes. That is our starting point but we cannot stop there because there is overwhelming evidence that other persons and physical objects exist. The difference between a very long dream - which is what solipsism would amount to - and reality is the uniqueness, irregularity and inconsistency of the dream. It is impossible to make reliable predictions about what will happen whereas in the real world it is not only possible but it occurs. The success of science makes the probability that only our mind exists not worth considering.

Nevertheless we can never experience directly what others are thinking and feeling. To that extent we are genuinely isolated and destined to exist as solitary beings until we die. But we can console ourselves with two facts. One is that materialism is clearly false. The other is that there is a form of knowledge which overcomes the disadvantage of being an individual. When persons love each other perfectly they become one! They understand each other to the point where they think and feel alike. Of course only the three divine Persons achieve such perfection but many human beings have experienced the peace and joy of being liberated from their inner solitude by love. So you are right, Neil! Interaction with others is the solution to our problem… 🙂
 
If you are serious, then yes this is heresy. You are denying the most fundamental truth of the faith: God created everything.
It would still be true that God created everything regardless of whether or not the universe has an extension beyond the “mind”. For all we know the universe is really just a mathematical equation (in Gods mind) which becomes actualised as something which apparently has extension and sensation when presented to the created mind. The sensational appearance is generated much like virtual reality or a computer game; but more realistic.

The consequences of saying that the universe doesn’t exist outside of the mind doesn’t require one to to think that the universe is imagined or efficiently caused by the created mind.

Also; while one might except realism in principle, nobody can have certain knowledge about contingent particulars. You can only have certain knowledge about general facts. For example, while I cannot know for certain that there is a universe, I can know for certain that I have knowledge of what appears to be an extended universe. I cannot know that you exist in particular, but I know that there is such a thing as existence in general. This is metaphysical knowledge; which is different from the probabilistic nature of scientific knowledge.

I see nothing in the bible which claims or suggests that the creation must be entirely objective or extended beyond the realm of the mind.
 
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