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Holly3278
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Hi everyone. A friend told me that suicide is a sin of pride. Is this true? 
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ribozyme
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I thought suicide would be deemed as a sin of despair, but in some cases, I think suicide can be construed as a sin of pride as in seppuku.Hi everyone. A friend told me that suicide is a sin of pride. Is this true?
In the latter case, you commit suicide because you do not want to dishonor yourself and your family.
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colliric
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It can be yes.Hi everyone. A friend told me that suicide is a sin of pride. Is this true?
Sometimes people get proud of their own depression, and it stops them from receiving help(from either Doctor, family members, friends or even from a priest in the Confessional). They get thinking they are they only one with problems and that everyone specifically dislikes them. This is not so, others have their own problems and frustrations too. Everyone is Human.
Alot of the time we just happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong time and someone(who already had an axe to grind) loses patience with us. We have to reach out to these people and explain that we too go through suchs issues. They need to know they are not alone more than anything else and they have to be convinced not to be proudful of their depression.
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Starwynd
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Okay, the original post is an interesting question, one I’ve never thought of before.
But what the hey? People can be proud of their depression?
That’s a bunch of baloney.
Depression and fear go hand in hand and has nothing to do with pride. This is what clouds people to help and making the right decision. That’s just silly.
But what the hey? People can be proud of their depression?
That’s a bunch of baloney.
Depression and fear go hand in hand and has nothing to do with pride. This is what clouds people to help and making the right decision. That’s just silly.
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colliric
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No it’s not. It’s probally a tad harsh, but it is true. People can be scared of change/Help, even change that results in their fear/depression being done away with. Sometimes they think “what will people think of me if I go to a councellor?” and simular prideful thoughts that stop them from actually doing what they should be doing and reaching out. We think too much that we can take care of everything and even fix our own depression.
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Starwynd
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And that’s right. But what I mean is people being proud of the depression is just silly.
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blessedtoo
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First, suicide can’t be deemed a sin decisively. Even the CCC states that a persons mental state must be considered and that culpability can be minimized, if not diminished completely, based upon that person’s competency.
So, with that in mind, I would say that the great majority of those who succeed in killing themselves are incapable of the reasoning necessary for them to seek help. It is a completely irrational act, one that defies the very nature of being human. I can’t see how pride could even factor into suicide.
So, with that in mind, I would say that the great majority of those who succeed in killing themselves are incapable of the reasoning necessary for them to seek help. It is a completely irrational act, one that defies the very nature of being human. I can’t see how pride could even factor into suicide.
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Holly3278
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Thanks everyone. The way my friend explained it is this. He said that it is a sin of pride because you are telling God that His plan for you is not good enough basically. Does that make any sense?
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blessedtoo
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Your friend sound ill-informed about suicide.Thanks everyone. The way my friend explained it is this. He said that it is a sin of pride because you are telling God that His plan for you is not good enough basically. Does that make any sense?
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Christy_Beth
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I don’t see suicide as a sin of pride. Looking at it from my end, and I’m mentally ill, suicide comes from something far worse then basic despair. I’ve had major depression since the age of 7. I’m now 46. And, yes, I’m under treatment. But that doesn’t make the depression magically go away. Nor my other diagnosis. 
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nablaise
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Actually all sins are routed in pride. Pride is the mother of all sins…
But again it depends of cases, a kind of suicide which is not a sin can not have anything to do with pride. This could be one seemingly suicide: a soldier how saw a grenade thrown in a group with his friends and decide to lie on it so he can attenuate the damage for others while he give his own life. This could be sin as suicide but it may not be one considering that they were most likely all dead … I can’t presume to give a final jugdment on this case but it is one of those confusing cases…
Well, here are few quotes from the CCC from the 1st and 5th commandments:
But again it depends of cases, a kind of suicide which is not a sin can not have anything to do with pride. This could be one seemingly suicide: a soldier how saw a grenade thrown in a group with his friends and decide to lie on it so he can attenuate the damage for others while he give his own life. This could be sin as suicide but it may not be one considering that they were most likely all dead … I can’t presume to give a final jugdment on this case but it is one of those confusing cases…
Well, here are few quotes from the CCC from the 1st and 5th commandments:
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nablaise
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Little more on pride from the CCC:
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Christy_Beth
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As one who has attempted suicide (three times by overdose) I’d like to put a word in here. Each time I was in severe emotional pain. Mentally exhasted and unable to cope with the normal, ordinary, stress. I just wanted the pain to go away. Yes, I prayed to God. But where did that get me? The problems that added to my depression were ones that a “normal” person could have dealt with. But I couldn’t.
I was truly alone in the world. Yes, I had a family. But they were the source of the majority of my problems. Ok,I know, we aren’t suppose others. But the family is a child’s first introduction to the world. And if that family is dysfunctional, which mine was to a high degree, the child doesn’t have a chance. Let me back up a minute. In some people it’s heredity. Add that to upbringer, and you have before you a disaster waiting to answer.
I was truly alone in the world. Yes, I had a family. But they were the source of the majority of my problems. Ok,I know, we aren’t suppose others. But the family is a child’s first introduction to the world. And if that family is dysfunctional, which mine was to a high degree, the child doesn’t have a chance. Let me back up a minute. In some people it’s heredity. Add that to upbringer, and you have before you a disaster waiting to answer.
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blessedtoo
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Christ Beth,
I am so glad that you did not succeed. While I don’t know you personally, whenever a soul takes his own life, we are all diminished.
Hopefully, it was your prayers that kept you from succeeding. I will pray that God reveals His plan for your life and covers you with enough grace to persevere.
I am so glad that you did not succeed. While I don’t know you personally, whenever a soul takes his own life, we are all diminished.
Hopefully, it was your prayers that kept you from succeeding. I will pray that God reveals His plan for your life and covers you with enough grace to persevere.
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Christy_Beth
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Well, God hasn’t revealed his plan for my life yet, but I’m no longer holding my breath on the issue. He’ll tell me when he gets good and ready to. As far as not suceeding, I believe he has had his hand on me all along. Otherwise, I wouldn’t be here.
Suicide, as an option, hasn’t come to my mind for many years now. But I can credit a lot of that to the people who have come into my life. Well, maybe I should say that God brought these people into my life. While I still suffer from depression and other forms of mental illness, and I don’t know when he’ll heal me, I think that, perhaps, God wants me to speak out from this side of reality.
Severe depression is nothing to sneeze at. Look at Andrea Yates. She had a form of depression. I guess the diagnosis was post-partum pshycosis. There is such a thing, and it’s not easily understandable from a layman’s few. There is medication and therapy for things like that, and it isn’t up to someone else if we need it or not. Only that person and a qualified doctor can do that. I feel saddened by what happened in that case, but I feel bad for her as well. This is something that she will have to live with the rest of her life.
Suicide, as an option, hasn’t come to my mind for many years now. But I can credit a lot of that to the people who have come into my life. Well, maybe I should say that God brought these people into my life. While I still suffer from depression and other forms of mental illness, and I don’t know when he’ll heal me, I think that, perhaps, God wants me to speak out from this side of reality.
Severe depression is nothing to sneeze at. Look at Andrea Yates. She had a form of depression. I guess the diagnosis was post-partum pshycosis. There is such a thing, and it’s not easily understandable from a layman’s few. There is medication and therapy for things like that, and it isn’t up to someone else if we need it or not. Only that person and a qualified doctor can do that. I feel saddened by what happened in that case, but I feel bad for her as well. This is something that she will have to live with the rest of her life.
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Jack_245814
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In a way it is, because it’s extremely self-indulgent to wallow in self-pity and shun help, and ignore the effects that suicide would have on the people around you.
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eucharisteo
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Suicide can be one or all of the above. Sometimes people’s neurons don’t work properly…that makes it biological, like a person with a learning disability. Do you punish a slow person because they can’t work Calculus? If you do then you need psychiatric help and aren’t fit to have anything to do with children. Unfortunately, schools are filled with “knuckleheads” like that I’m sorry to say…both public and private.
My older brother suceeded in suicide. Can’t say he couldn’t get it right. I watched him grow up. He was 2 years older than me and deeply emotionally scarred from our dysfunctional family. Mom was loathed Catholics, including my dad…which makes you wonder why they even tried. He was conceived before marriage and I can vouch from my own memory that they should have never been together. I knew both of my parents very will and can say without pause that they were both abusive, mostly verbally, some physically, but very emotionally…psychological damage. I still exhibit signs of the same anxiety that drove my older brother who received his first training in God at the age of 16, almost 17. My dad used to say that he, dad that is, was going to burn in hell for the way he raised my older brother. But he intentionally raised me different… Guess what? It worked. Out of 3 I’m the only practicing Christian. My younger brother has attempted suicide twice already while intoxicated. My older brother succeeded while intoxicated.
After contemplating this for year, believing he was burning in hell, I began to revert to Catholicism realizing that only God knows the hearts and minds of each person. I also realize that my brother was so messed up in the ways of the world, because our father raised him that way. I lucked out. I turned repeatedly to God, because my dad taught me to do so and admits that he did not teach my brother to do that early on because my dad was angry at the world for getting such a bad taste of life. Married to a woman who rejected the faith after claiming she would convert. God to Vietnam and returning with American’s hating him for doing it. And ended up divorce against his will. He was angry and hurt and seriously, folkes, mentally distorted. I remember him very well. I heard people would find him crawling through bushes like he was in Vietnam. He slept with a knife under his pillow and gun under the matress. It was very scary. He met with at the door clear across the room a couple of times trying to kill me for startling him out of sleep. Eventually it wore off, but it took years.
I’ve felt like dying many times. But I know it’s severely sinful. My brothers may not realize this since they received very little if any Christian upbringing. I actually have my Protestant faith to credit for my Catholic faith now. When the Church wasn’t doing its part the Protestants tried their best to teach me what they believed to be true. Eventually, I came to understand and so did my wife and we converted/reverted together.
Pride can be part of it, but if you’ve ever suffered extreme anxiety and severe depression, only then would you begin to understand how clouded a mind can get. So please don’t act like a fundamentalist and condemn all because you have a thought. Read and accept, if you can’t understand, what the Church teaches on the subject.
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My older brother suceeded in suicide. Can’t say he couldn’t get it right. I watched him grow up. He was 2 years older than me and deeply emotionally scarred from our dysfunctional family. Mom was loathed Catholics, including my dad…which makes you wonder why they even tried. He was conceived before marriage and I can vouch from my own memory that they should have never been together. I knew both of my parents very will and can say without pause that they were both abusive, mostly verbally, some physically, but very emotionally…psychological damage. I still exhibit signs of the same anxiety that drove my older brother who received his first training in God at the age of 16, almost 17. My dad used to say that he, dad that is, was going to burn in hell for the way he raised my older brother. But he intentionally raised me different… Guess what? It worked. Out of 3 I’m the only practicing Christian. My younger brother has attempted suicide twice already while intoxicated. My older brother succeeded while intoxicated.
After contemplating this for year, believing he was burning in hell, I began to revert to Catholicism realizing that only God knows the hearts and minds of each person. I also realize that my brother was so messed up in the ways of the world, because our father raised him that way. I lucked out. I turned repeatedly to God, because my dad taught me to do so and admits that he did not teach my brother to do that early on because my dad was angry at the world for getting such a bad taste of life. Married to a woman who rejected the faith after claiming she would convert. God to Vietnam and returning with American’s hating him for doing it. And ended up divorce against his will. He was angry and hurt and seriously, folkes, mentally distorted. I remember him very well. I heard people would find him crawling through bushes like he was in Vietnam. He slept with a knife under his pillow and gun under the matress. It was very scary. He met with at the door clear across the room a couple of times trying to kill me for startling him out of sleep. Eventually it wore off, but it took years.
I’ve felt like dying many times. But I know it’s severely sinful. My brothers may not realize this since they received very little if any Christian upbringing. I actually have my Protestant faith to credit for my Catholic faith now. When the Church wasn’t doing its part the Protestants tried their best to teach me what they believed to be true. Eventually, I came to understand and so did my wife and we converted/reverted together.
Pride can be part of it, but if you’ve ever suffered extreme anxiety and severe depression, only then would you begin to understand how clouded a mind can get. So please don’t act like a fundamentalist and condemn all because you have a thought. Read and accept, if you can’t understand, what the Church teaches on the subject.
PAX.
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blessedtoo
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I’ll repost the links I provided so that you might better educate yourself on the nature of suicide and mental illness.
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blessedtoo
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Your story broke my heart. I understand the extreme pain felt by the family left in the wake of suicide.
Keep in mind (if you don’t already know) that the Church allows much latitude when it comes to suicide, understanding, in Her wisdom, that there are many circumstances that would mitigate culpability. Your brother, having taken his own life while under the influence of alcohol, would likely have NOT been in full control of his free will - thus compromising his ability to fulfill the requirements for mortal sin. And I don’t know if this applies, but alcoholics and alcohol abusers are never really operating at full capacity - years of altering the brain chemistry have the effect of impacting one’s ability to exercise free will.
I will keep your family in my prayers. God bless.
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eucharisteo
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I’d like to point out that because it’s associated with the brain it is considered psychiatric. In reality it can be a physcial disability as this is being recognized even in university settings now as a legitimate reason for struggling students. I know from my own experiences how difficult it is to overcome depression whe it seems the world [family, friends, bosses, religioys leaders (bad ones), etc.] is against you in some way. It’s no different than someone suffering from kidney disease… the problem is that sometimes in the wrong environment the person might be at risk of suicide. Not everyone that is depressed is likely to commit suicide though. I’m not.
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