Is Summorum Pontificum a failure?

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I voted Yes & No.
No because it appears that on the Mainland there are new TLM’s Masses growing, albeit slow, but non the less is showing growth.

Yes because in my diocese the most we have even heard is in the negative. The parishioners run the parish I live in. Our priests are on loan from the Philippines & are rotated every 2 years. There is only one TLM parish in our diocese & there are about 300 parishioners there.

In all fairness to our Bishop (ordained in 2005) who has attended this TLM Mass after coming here. I did read where he had requested a FSSP priest come and teach him to say the TLM & did say it at our Cathedral on the main island. I have also heard that he would allow the TLM at any parish IF the priests would also say the OF Mass. The poor Bishop inherited all liberal priests. But believe me, THERE ARE NO TRADITIONAL PRIESTS IN HAWAII, save one at the only TLM Mass on the main island.

 

[ProVobis]

**Things are changing. ** Look at Father Z, regularly featured on the articles of New Advent. Look at the Mass at the Basilica of Our Lady. Even in my family parish, which has only the Novus Ordo, there is now one of those bells on the wall which the priest pulls by a rope to signal the beginning of daily Mass, now kneelers infront of the Tabernacle and the Icon of Our Lady of Perpetual Help, candles to light at both for prayer, sanctus bells restored…things that I did not see in my childhood. (I am 22).

Can this be done until some discipline which seemed to have taken a dive in the '60’s is restored?

 

[Chatter163]

At the time, commentators predicted that it would bring the pre-Vatican II Mass back into the mainstream, and transform the liturgical culture of the Church. But three years on, only a tiny minority of Catholics have access to the traditional Latin Mass.

I do not know of any mainstream commentators who made such a prediction, certainly not any who are not regularly associated with the EF. I do not think that anyone with a true sense and understanding of how such things work in the Church expected such a dramatic shift. However, three years is nothing and only time will tell. There definitely has been the beginnings of a shift toward making the EF at least acessible. Most websites that list EF Masses in the USA have had to give up listing them, as the list changes so frequently.

 

[Cojuanco]

I’d say that it’s a relative success, but we won’t see the full effects of this for years to come. This sort of thing doesn’t happen overnight. The rate it’s going, though, is a good sign - a couple of years ago, your average Catholic would have, upon finding out I prefer the old Mass, look at me as if I’d sprouted two extra heads. Now, they understand it’s an integral part of our Church.

 

[LoyalViews]

I accidentally clicked “Yes” and I meant to click NO. Summorum Pontificum was a BIG SUCCESS! There are a LOT of Latin Masses being offered in my province. You just have to find the right parish, because most of the churches here have no website. Una Voce and the FSSP is sending out more Priests than the paper has subscribers (and that is ALOT). God Bless Pope Benedict XVI! Long may he reign!

 

[Dan_Daly]

An old thread, that I just came across, and an interesting one.

I voted YES and NO.

Yes- it aided in the spread of the TLM

No- There are many Bishops who still openly defy the Pope’s directions. I can speak of one Bishop from personal experience who has a large group of lay people and several priests who want to have the EF available. The Bishop tells the people it is available, the people just need to go to another diocese to have it.

And so we have gone to a neighboring diocese, but that is not an option for all people in such circumstances.

It would good to see the Pope leading by example in deeds and words on this. I keep praying for an announcement that Pope Benedict XVI will be celebrating a solemn high mass to be broadcast worlwide. World Youth Day would have been a good opportunity…perhaps this Christmas.

Pax and God Bless.

 

[TradionalWay]

I vote no, its not a failure… But there is a week response to that. As in my country there is no Latin mass except the SSPX… but since they not in communion with Rome, I dont know. I just pray there will be a growth some how

 

[YoungTradCath]

I’m still wondering why there is no English translation of SP on the Vatican website. It seems like a pretty significant document that should be translated into all the modern languages.

Maybe it’s to make a statement?

 

[Joe_5859]

Maybe it’s to make a statement?

I don’t know about that. I mean, why bother releasing the document at all if the Holy See’s intent was to immediately back pedal?

 

[ProVobis]

Maybe it’s to make a statement?

Or maybe it was a test to see how many priests were actually knowledgeable enough in Latin to be able to say the EF. Just a guess, though.

 

[YoungTradCath]

Or maybe it was a test to see how many priests were actually knowledgeable enough in Latin to be able to say the EF. Just a guess, though.

Which is exactly what I meant.

 

[wisdomseeker]

its sad to see people come up with conspiracy theories
our bishop is a supporter of the traditional mass, and has helped establish the FSSP parish in our archdiocese. but still given the large area of the Lower Mainland, there are only two parishes that offer the EF, both over an hour apart from one another. why? surely there’s no grand conspiracy to prevent its spread, the bishop fully supports it. you just have to accept the fact that there are not that many people that asks for it. in the overall number of Catholics in an area, how many would actually actively seek an EF mass? how many would attend an EF but only its nearby? and how many are perfectly happy with the OF mass?

The bishop in my area prohibits. that is why hte Society of Saint Peter cannot establish a Mass here. You better stop talking like you know at all.

 

[PJM]

=Dan Daly;8311833]An old thread, that I just came across, and an interesting one.

I voted YES and NO.

Yes- it aided in the spread of the TLM

No- There are many Bishops who still openly defy the Pope’s directions. I can speak of one Bishop from personal experience who has a large group of lay people and several priests who want to have the EF available. The Bishop tells the people it is available, the people just need to go to another diocese to have it.

And so we have gone to a neighboring diocese, but that is not an option for all people in such circumstances.

It would good to see the Pope leading by example in deeds and words on this. I keep praying for an announcement that Pope Benedict XVI will be celebrating a solemn high mass to be broadcast worlwide. World Youth Day would have been a good opportunity…perhaps this Christmas.

Pax and God Bless.

WOW! Interestering thought. But to imply that the Pope has done noting is to deny reality.

He has made it POSSIBLE and yet I agree with you that MANY Bishops have not embrassed the opportunity. … It MAY ??? be the “same many” that caused this action from the Pope? The closest LM to me is over 60 miles away and VERY hard to get too.

On the other side of the coin are the MULTITUDES who do NOT desire even ABHORE the idea of changing their turf, their now staked out roles of prominance in the sanctury.

A former pastor confided in me that right after SP came out he took an “informal poll” [did not ask me] of daily Mass antendees and ONLY ONE [besides me… he KNEW MY position] desired a LM. So we ought not Blame ONLY the Bishops.

I do know that now Cardnal Burke did say a Latin Mass at St Peters in Rome.

The Ordinary Form has been Ordinary SOOOOO Long as to make change at least very difficult and unless futher actions are taken, quite unlikely. A BAckgrounf issue is Proest who are BOTH Qualified and Desire to say the LM. The Older generation I suspect that do know how; are VERY MUCH of the cause we have the Ordinary form to begin with:blush:

God Bless, And May our Blessed Mother lead the charge to more piety, more respect and a deeper, fuller expression of our Catholic Faith beliefs!,

Pat

 

[georgewithfaith]

I trust in our young priests and we need to pray for them. Of course we should pray for all our priests. But this new crop of priests coming up seem to favor tradition. I think we have all seen the damage modernism can cause in the Church. Jesus always said that the gates of hell shall never prevail against His Church. I take great comfort knowing that.

 

[Paxvobis]

I voted that Summorum Pontificum has been a success. I believe I recently read that the number of TLM’s in the United States has grown threefold since 2007. Sure, it’s not available in every parish or even in every diocese, but many more people each year who want access to the TLM now have access to it.

 

[Dan_Daly]

Just a note, I recently picked up a 2nd hand copy of the YOUCAT in order to judge for myself what exactly it is and isn’t. I’m still working on digesting the book (it’s much longer than I expected).

I did read the forward which was written by Pope Benedict XVI. It’s very well done. Among other things he notes(I’m paraphrasing):

-the time following Vatican II has been full of confusion within the Church
-the YOUCAT isn’t perfect
-the enemies of the Church aren’t only external. Evil has penetrated to the heart of the Church itself. It must be confronted and defeated.

In short, it reads like it was written by a Latin Mass loving traditionalist.

I certainly hope and pray that it was