is the Anglican Church rejoining the Catholic Church?

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I heard a while back this was a possibility, that the Anglican Church was going to rejoin our Church (God Bless Her), did i miss it happening?

wasn’t there also talk, if not to join, to be a wing of the Catholic Church, like maybe an Order,
With their own rules and traditions, but under the basic rule of The Pope.

God Bless

David
 
dava4444 said:
Hi

I heard a while back this was a possibility, that the Anglican Church was going to rejoin our Church (God Bless Her), did i miss it happening?

wasn’t there also talk, if not to join, to be a wing of the Catholic Church, like maybe an Order,
With their own rules and traditions, but under the basic rule of The Pope.

God Bless

David
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To answer your basic question, yes, it appears some Anglicans are going to rejoin the RCC.

GKC
 
No the Anglican Communion/Episcopalian church and other Continuing Anglican groups are not joining the Catholic Church.

But there are some groups and individuals, including priests and Bishops who are either part of the Anglican Communion, Episcopal church and mostly from the Continuing Anglican groups (who broke away from the Anglican Communion) who have petitioned Rome and an Ordinariate has been in the works for over a year.

Soon these groups or individuals will be coming into the Catholic Church with their own liturgy and traditions. There are already around 9 parishes in the US called Anglican Use Catholic Churches that are fully Catholic.

In the beginning the number may be small, but who knows how many and how fast these parishes will grow.

I think it is an exciting time for the Church and hopefully in the future some of the Orthodox Churches will also decide to be in communion with the Catholic Church.

Look up Apostolic Constitution on the web and you will see the document from the Holy Father and Rome regarding this.

Yours in the Hearts of Jesus and Mary

Bernadette
 
I am one of those “Episcopalians” that left the Episcopal church to join the Roman Catholic Church. I just joined this Easter, but I chose to come due to the way the Episcopal church was turning. I can’t support a church that goes against God’s word. I have read that there are Episcopal priests that are married joining the Catholic church as priests, and can remain married.
 
Hi

thanks for the answers guys 😃 i was scared it had happened and i had missed it, lol.

i like the idea of ‘Anglican Use’ because, The Spirit varies in tradition from place to place, like Saint Ambrose told Saint Monica 🙂

God Bless.

David
 
reaganjn said:
I am one of those “Episcopalians” that left the Episcopal church to join the Roman Catholic Church. I just joined this Easter, but I chose to come due to the way the Episcopal church was turning. I can’t support a church that goes against God’s word. I have read that there are Episcopal priests that are married joining the Catholic church as priests, and can remain married.
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Yes, i think marriage is an issue too.

i think we should have male and female deacons, and are allowed to marry (laity). permanent deacons, which the New Testament says ‘should only have one wife’, aside from the order not to marry more than one wife, they clearly can marry.

priests are to emulate Paul in celibacy, but deacons don’t have to 😃

God Bless

David
 
dava4444 said:
Yes, i think marriage is an issue too.

i think we should have male and female deacons, and are allowed to marry (laity). permanent deacons, which the New Testament says ‘should only have one wife’, aside from the order not to marry more than one wife, they clearly can marry.

priests are to emulate Paul in celibacy, but deacons don’t have to 😃

God Bless

David
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I’m slightly confused by this. Why should priest emulate Saint Paul in celibacy? Saint Paul was a Bishop - not a priest. Secondly, Deaconess was a very different role to Deacon. Deaconess’ where never considered ordained by the Church and their only purpose was to preform tasks that where socially unacceptable for a male Priest or Deacon to perform. For example a Deaconess would baptise female converts because the Priest and/or Deacon should not be around naked women. However, with infant baptism now this is hardly a problem any more.

There is no dogmatic reason why Priests and Deacons can’t be married - it is a matter of discipline within the Roman rite. The Eastern rite Priests can be married (prior to their ordination) and I can’t see a problem with returning priests of other traditions (Anglican in this case) to full communion with Rome whilst allowing them to remain married. It is up to the Church to enforce or relax the rule of discipline as it sees fit.

In the Roman rite Deacons can marry before ordination, Priests and Bishops may not. This is the charism of our Priesthood - that men live celibate lives (and celibacy is most definitely is a charism!). It is a discipline we have kept for close to a thousand years and although it only applies to the Roman rite and exceptions can be made within that I believe it to be a profoundly beautiful charism of our Church and I for one would be sad to see it change.
 
jonnyws said:
I’m slightly confused by this. Why should priest emulate Saint Paul in celibacy? Saint Paul was a Bishop - not a priest. Secondly, Deaconess was a very different role to Deacon. Deaconess’ where never considered ordained by the Church and their only purpose was to preform tasks that where socially unacceptable for a male Priest or Deacon to perform. For example a Deaconess would baptise female converts because the Priest and/or Deacon should not be around naked women. However, with infant baptism now this is hardly a problem any more.

There is no dogmatic reason why Priests and Deacons can’t be married - it is a matter of discipline within the Roman rite. The Eastern rite Priests can be married (prior to their ordination) and I can’t see a problem with returning priests of other traditions (Anglican in this case) to full communion with Rome whilst allowing them to remain married. It is up to the Church to enforce or relax the rule of discipline as it sees fit.

In the Roman rite Deacons can marry before ordination, Priests and Bishops may not. This is the charism of our Priesthood - that men live celibate lives (and celibacy is most definitely is a charism!). It is a discipline we have kept for close to a thousand years and although it only applies to the Roman rite and exceptions can be made within that I believe it to be a profoundly beautiful charism of our Church and I for one would be sad to see it change.
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Hi!

i agree with a lot you’ve said there 🙂 but perhaps there shouldn’t be a cap on the marital age for Permanent Deacons, it’s 35 just now, and i would of liked to become one after marriage, but i’m 34 and 35 in march. 😦

I feel giving freedom to the lower order (deacon/ess) would be friendlier to feminists and laity who want to become more. Not ‘no female priests!’, but Deaconesses, yes, not ‘no marriage in the church!’ but a freeing this order (PD) to marry.

okay so, maybe there is marriage in the Church (God Bless Her), but perhaps a spotlight on deaconal marriage would be a clear message of acceptance (but for this order only) of marriage in Our Holy Church.

My fiancee acted like a deaconess to the Army Methodist Chaplin, after she was wounded, i was quite honoured God chose to pair me with such a person. not saying anything i am just chuffed 😃

i could quote scripture, but this seems more like a wee fun thing than a debate, soooo 🙂

God Bless

David
 
dava4444 said:
Hi!

i agree with a lot you’ve said there 🙂 but perhaps there shouldn’t be a cap on the marital age for Permanent Deacons, it’s 35 just now, and i would of liked to become one after marriage, but i’m 34 and 35 in march. 😦

I feel giving freedom to the lower order (deacon/ess) would be friendlier to feminists and laity who want to become more. Not ‘no female priests!’, but Deaconesses, yes, not ‘no marriage in the church!’ but a freeing this order (PD) to marry.

okay so, maybe there is marriage in the Church (God Bless Her), but perhaps a spotlight on deaconal marriage would be a clear message of acceptance (but for this order only) of marriage in Our Holy Church.

My fiancee acted like a deaconess to the Army Methodist Chaplin, after she was wounded, i was quite honoured God chose to pair me with such a person. not saying anything i am just chuffed 😃

i could quote scripture, but this seems more like a wee fun thing than a debate, soooo 🙂

God Bless

David
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On Marriage and Holy Orders I have no strong views either way. I will obey the Church in whatever their decision is concerning the discipline. My only point to make is that it has always been the case that you must be married before receiving Ordination and this is something that I don’t think can be changed. Secondly to stress that the order of Deaconess is not an Ordination but a position. Whilst a Deacon receives the sacrament of Ordination a Deaconess never did and never can do - it therefore seems pointless to me to bring back Deaconess’, but again I’ll leave it up to the Church.
 
That’s not new though, since many of the Oxford Tractarians converted.

Wasn’t the newly minted saint, John Henry Newman a former Tractarian?

And in 1977 the Anglican Catholic Church was formed against the ordination of women, with more groups since then forming against the gay ordination issue.
 
reaganjn said:
I have read that there are Episcopal priests that are married joining the Catholic church as priests, and can remain married.
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Not exactly. The Catholic Church does not recognize Anglican holy orders as valid. Those who were priests and bishops in the Anglican Communion can convert to Catholicism as laymen, and each individual case will be reviewed. Married men may be ordained to the diaconate or priesthood, not as bishops. This is already the case, as you may occasionally encounter married priests in the Roman Church who have converted. There is at least one in my diocese.
 
dava4444 said:
Yes, i think marriage is an issue too.

i think we should have male and female deacons, and are allowed to marry (laity). permanent deacons, which the New Testament says ‘should only have one wife’, aside from the order not to marry more than one wife, they clearly can marry.

priests are to emulate Paul in celibacy, but deacons don’t have to 😃

God Bless

David
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My understanding that where there are married priests, they must marry before ordination. I have seen articles that say that the Greek church has a lot of priests who are celibate simply because they didn’t find wives. Not enough women willing to be priests’ wives. The wages are sufficient to live a bachelor’s life, but not enough for a married couple.
 
Ysbaddaden said:
That’s not new though, since many of the Oxford Tractarians converted.

Wasn’t the newly minted saint, John Henry Newman a former Tractarian?

And in 1977 the Anglican Catholic Church was formed against the ordination of women, with more groups since then forming against the gay ordination issue.
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Not exactly. What formed after 1978 was the original Anglican Church of North America, which later split into a number of groups, one of which became the Anglican Catholic Church. The general name for these groups is “Continuing Anglicans” or “The Continuum”.

Not all groups who have left the Episcopal Church are members of the Continuum. Some remain in communion with Canterbury, as part of the official Anglican Communion, which the ACC is not a part of. To make confusion more confused, the groups which are still in communion with Canterbury, but not in the Episcopal CHurch are largely in the “new” Anglican Church of North America.

Anglicans are a hoot.

GKC

Anglicanus-Catholicus
 
Colorful if not confusing and motley
GKC said:
Not exactly. What formed after 1978 was the original Anglican Church of North America, which later split into a number of groups, one of which became the Anglican Catholic Church. The general name for these groups is “Continuing Anglicans” or “The Continuum”.

Not all groups who have left the Episcopal Church are members of the Continuum. Some remain in communion with Canterbury, as part of the official Anglican Communion, which the ACC is not a part of. To make confusion more confused, the groups which are still in communion with Canterbury, but not in the Episcopal CHurch are largely in the “new” Anglican Church of North America.

Anglicans are a hoot.

GKC

Anglicanus-Catholicus
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You see what GKC has started? A whole army of people saying “history is complicated,” “a motley crew,” and “Hank’s great matter is a hobby of mine” as well as “I cannot affirm the particulars.” He has a whole following now! 😃
Eutychus123 said:
Certainly a mot-lee kru.
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gurneyhalleck1 said:
You see what GKC has started? A whole army of people saying “history is complicated,” “a motley crew,” and “Hank’s great matter is a hobby of mine” as well as “I cannot affirm the particulars.” He has a whole following now! 😃
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I also say “Experience is no substitute for opinion” a lot (the main thing I learned in my Air Force career) but it doesn’t fit in here, often.

So, is it time for me to start a new denomination?
 
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