Is The Big Bang Really Proof Of Gods Existence?

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Charles_Darwin said:
“God is someone you enter into a personal relationship with” the mind is very good at playing tricks, what make you any different different form those the believe they have a personal relationship with different gods?
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Because my God is the Absolute, whereas as theirs are not regarded as being supreme.

What makes a [G]od supreme is whether He is of such a nature as to make it nonsensicle to even think of two of them, or whether he is such a nature as to permit multiplication. We can easily think of many humans; we cannot think of many “pi”. Pi - like all numbers - is something that just is, and if we are considering the number itself (and not an example where we are counting out this number), it just doesn’t make any sense to think of multiplying them. So it makes absolutely no sense to speak of two Gods, whereas it does make sense to think of a Zeus and an Athena in the same pantheon.

If other people worship a god that is supreme, then their god would be the same as my God, just under a different name - e.g., Allah and Brahman. The fact that I have quite serious theological differences with Hindus and Muslims does not change the fact that we all claim to worship God. (But many Hindus do worship beings they think are a manifestation of Brahman - such as Rama or Krishna - but which themselves are “gods” with a lower-case “g”.)
 
WillieWonka said:
I have failed for years to disprove unicorns, but will never give up. But, until I do disprove them, I will firmly believe in them.
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Do you have any reason for believing in unicorns? Do you have reliable historical testimony assuring their existence? Do you have metaphysical reasons leading you to believe that there should or must be unicorns?

If not, then the two situations - God and unicorns - aren’t analogous.
 
Cecilianus said:
Because my God is the Absolute, whereas as theirs are not regarded as being supreme.
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Ok then, why is that lots of people that believe they have a personal relationship with YOUR god have such opposite view points regarding it?
 
Charles_Darwin said:
Ok then, why is that lots of people that believe they have a personal relationship with YOUR god have such opposite view points regarding it?
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Two reasons.
  1. They do not possess Divine Revelation, and are groping towards Him - the ultimate mystery - in the dark. Hindus, Pure Land Buddhists, Sikhs, Jains, Muslims, etc.
  2. Sin. They would rather believe what they want to believe than the Gospel as it has been preached by the Church - heretics and schismatics.
 
Cecilianus said:
Do you have any reason for believing in unicorns? Do you have reliable historical testimony assuring their existence? Do you have metaphysical reasons leading you to believe that there should or must be unicorns?

If not, then the two situations - God and unicorns - aren’t analogous.
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Yes. They are mentioned in ancient folklore and are documented in ancient writing, I believe this literature to be an accurate account. Engravings of them even survive from ancient times.
 
Cecilianus said:
Two reasons.
  1. They do not possess Divine Revelation, and are groping towards Him - the ultimate mystery - in the dark. Hindus, Pure Land Buddhists, Sikhs, Jains, Muslims, etc.
  2. Sin. They would rather believe what they want to believe than the Gospel as it has been preached by the Church - heretics and schismatics.
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No i mean why can two catholics that are both best pals with god have such different views of the dude?
 
Charlemagne_II said:
Charles Darwin

YO=ou do the same with emotions. Love is a very real emotion caused by chemical reactions in the brain. But you don’t like that fact so you set out to demean it. The emotion is the EXACT same regardless of the origin. So why to you demean the emotion, when we attach reality to it instead of unfounded myth?

I don’t know how you can demean the emotion of love any more fully than by calling it a “chemical reaction in the brain.” My God, I’d really hate to read any of your poetry. Or rather, I don’t see how there could be any poetry in you with that attitude.
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:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

one of the reasons why I love CAF!
 
WillieWonka said:
I have none.
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Is that rational? There must be an explanation as to why the Big Bang happened. Science is predicated on the assumption that there is an explanation for everything. The explanation that God created the universe - a belief held by the unanimous consent of humanity up until the 18th century - fits the question like a glove. Can you really, honestly think you are being more rational by denying the existence of God than by accepting Him?
 
Charles_Darwin said:
No i mean why can two catholics that are both best pals with god have such different views of the dude?
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Why can two Catholics have theological differences? Because the Church hasn’t defined every minute point of faith - and such a totalitarian approach is unlikely to be introduced any time soon - and there are some points that we really don’t know (such as whether sanctifying grace is intrinsically or extrinsically efficacious, for example). I really don’t see such hairsplitting differences as that problematic, however.

Or perhaps I’m missing the point and you mean something more drastic - can you give an example?
 
Charles_Darwin said:
Wow that is INSANE!!! Wow wow wow wo woooo wooo weeeee!!! :eek::eek::eek::eek:

Oh wait a minute… there is not one shread of empirical evidence for any supernatural anythings. Ah well back to reality :rolleyes:
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wow, just imagine me keep saying this to people who believe in the tooth fairy, or Santa clause or whatever. How would that make me look.
 
Cecilianus said:
Is that rational? There must be an explanation as to why the Big Bang happened. Science is predicated on the assumption that there is an explanation for everything. The explanation that God created the universe - a belief held by the unanimous consent of humanity up until the 18th century - fits the question like a glove. Can you really, honestly think you are being more rational by denying the existence of God than by accepting Him?
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I said I have no opinion of what was/is before the Big Bang. Yes, that is rational.
 
Charles_Darwin said:
Normal? Do you believe in santa?
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Can you prove Santa Claus doesn’t exist? Millions of people believe in him. Are you going to say he doesn’t? Can you really, honestly think you are being more rational by denying the existence of Santa than by accepting Him?
 
WillieWonka said:
Can you prove Santa Claus doesn’t exist? Millions of people believe in him. Are you going to say he doesn’t? Can you really, honestly think you are being more rational by denying the existence of Santa than by accepting Him?
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Yes. We know where the story of Santa Claus came from - our deception, as culturally expected. Where is your father who explained to you that he made up the story of “God”? Again, in what way is this case even analogous?
 
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