Is The Big Bang Really Proof Of Gods Existence?

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Now that I have answered your question, can you please answer my original question and tell me something NEW and PROFOUND and INFORMATIVE that you can learn from philosophy?
That is like asking what the next new, profound and informative scientific theory is going to be. If you could answer that question, the theory might still be profound and informative, but it wouldn’t be new.

Or to put it another way, it would be like asking Columbus which continent he was going to discover before he had set sail.
 
Resulting from this is the now present separation of natural and philosophical sciences. Humans naturally start with imperfect sense knowledge and gradually build up to more perfect knowledge, not the other way around as Wolff would suggest. Even Rom. 1:20 says that in order to understand God you must start with His sensible creation first.
Metaphysics is listed first because it is the highest and most abstract of the sciences. In this sense, metaphysics is called “first philosophy” by Aristotle, yet its study is the last in the order of acquiring knowledge. In the Aristotelian-Thomistic view, all knowledge begins with sense experience. Wolff was a disciple of Leibniz, and his division of the science is often cited because he stressed the ontological aspects of the philosophy of nature and thus included it within metaphysics. Some philosophers in the Aristotelian-Thomistic tradition follow Wolff in this respect.

Of all philosophical systems, Thomism is the only one that adequately accounts for the knowledge we acquire.
 
That is like asking what the next new, profound and informative scientific theory is going to be. If you could answer that question, the theory might still be profound and informative, but it wouldn’t be new.
You could start by giving me an old philosophical discovery? Anything that I didn’t know already through common sense.

By the way, the next new, profound, and informative scientific theory will most likely be that of quantum gravity. Applying quantum physics to general relativity will solve a lot of problems in the Standard Model and give us a unified “theory of everything” which will unite ALL of the fundamental interactions - so far we don’t know how gravity is related to any of the others (which all have coupling constants the same at a very early time after the Big Bang - we expect that gravity should have the same coupling constant at an even earlier time, before 10^-43 seconds after time zero). But none of the attempts to describe quantum gravity have been verified yet - something about to change now that the Large Hadron Collider at CERN is up and running.
 
Why would one consider mathematics “midway between the natural sciences and philosophy?” It is only by hypothesis that physicists use mathematics to describe physical reality.
The philosophical and natural sciences are classified according to their degree of abstraction from being. Mathematics abstracts quantities without their matter. The natural sciences below mathematics deal with matter as extended…physics with matter in motion, biology with physical beings as possessing life, and so on. Metaphysics penetrates to the ultimate non-material constituents of all material things, the substantial form and substantial matter, substance (ousia), accidental being, essence, existence, and so on…
 
How do you define “productive?” And how is it the "most objective?"Or it could become more biased. I do not think it is very objective to look at reality through such a narrow lens as “methodological naturalism.”
No particular science deals with all of reality. The sciences treat of various aspects of reality. Each has its own proper scope and competency. If a physicist, who studies matter in motion, wants to reflect on the bigger picture of reality, which is a real good idea, such as to consider whether the cosmos is dependent for its existence on something outside of itself, then he is engaging in philosophical or theological speculation, not physics at the time.
 
You could start by giving me an old philosophical discovery? Anything that I didn’t know already through common sense.
Godel’s Incompleteness Theorem straddles the world’s of mathematics and philosophy, and not many people would call that common sense. (It is philosophy because it is a theory about logic, and the limitations of the same.)

I suspect Richard Dawkins would sit up and take notice if it could be logically proven that the concept of a necessary being was incoherent, because both the Pope and the Archbishop of Canterbury would have to get themselves down to the labour exchange. The fact that Richard Dawkins iin’t either gloating or despondent suggests that the question cannot be settled by common sense.
 
Metaphysics is listed first because it is the highest and most abstract of the sciences. In this sense, metaphysics is called “first philosophy” by Aristotle, yet its study is the last in the order of acquiring knowledge. In the Aristotelian-Thomistic view, all knowledge begins with sense experience. Wolff was a disciple of Leibniz, and his division of the science is often cited because he stressed the ontological aspects of the philosophy of nature and thus included it within metaphysics. Some philosophers in the Aristotelian-Thomistic tradition follow Wolff in this respect.

Of all philosophical systems, Thomism is the only one that adequately accounts for the knowledge we acquire.
Yes, but not Wolff’s “Thomism”
 
The philosophical and natural sciences are classified according to their degree of abstraction from being. Mathematics abstracts quantities without their matter. The natural sciences below mathematics deal with matter as extended…physics with matter in motion, biology with physical beings as possessing life, and so on. Metaphysics penetrates to the ultimate non-material constituents of all material things, the substantial form and substantial matter, substance (ousia), accidental being, essence, existence, and so on…
Yes, this is right, but instead of saying “mathematics ‘midway between the natural sciences and philosophy’” you should have said “mathematics midway between the natural sciences and metaphysics.”
 
Godel’s Incompleteness Theorem straddles the world’s of mathematics and philosophy, and not many people would call that common sense. (It is philosophy because it is a theory about logic, and the limitations of the same.)

I suspect Richard Dawkins would sit up and take notice if it could be logically proven that the concept of a necessary being was incoherent, because both the Pope and the Archbishop of Canterbury would have to get themselves down to the labour exchange. The fact that Richard Dawkins iin’t either gloating or despondent suggests that the question cannot be settled by common sense.
Einstein, a Jewish scientest, who fled Hitler and developed the theory of Relativity, said that our Universe is well-ordered and order implies intelligence. We are not the result of a chemical process of a loose collection of gases floating in space. Edison. another famous scientest and inventor along with Graham Bell and many others claimed to have tapped into an intelligence far greater than their own. In Greek mythology muses inspired poets artists and musicians. There pervades throughout our Universe an Intelligence, the same intelligence responsible for creation that gudes us and inspires us to activate the devinity that is inherent in all of us.
 
Einstein, a Jewish scientest, who fled Hitler and developed the theory of Relativity, said that our Universe is well-ordered and order implies intelligence. We are not the result of a chemical process of a loose collection of gases floating in space. Edison. another famous scientest and inventor along with Graham Bell and many others claimed to have tapped into an intelligence far greater than their own. In Greek mythology muses inspired poets artists and musicians. There pervades throughout our Universe an Intelligence, the same intelligence responsible for creation that gudes us and inspires us to activate the devinity that is inherent in all of us.
Are you trying to convince me that God exists? If so you can save your breath, because I don’t need any convincing of that.
 
Yes, this is right, but instead of saying “mathematics ‘midway between the natural sciences and philosophy’” you should have said “mathematics midway between the natural sciences and metaphysics.”
That’s fine. When I use the term philosophy, I usually have in mind metaphysics as philosophy proper, or “first philosophy”, to use Aristotle’s term. Metaphysics in the preeminent philosophical discipline just as physics is the preeminent natural science.
 
Christian Wolff = a disciple of Leibniz enamored of Kantianism. I.E. another lost soul of the German Enlightenment.
When the hell did subscribing to a non-Aristotelian philosophical system become a mortal sin? Philosophy IS quite distinct from religion. It requires the assent of reason, not the assent of faith, and demanding the assent of faith for it is idolatry. And Thomas Aquinas would agree with me on this, despite the fanaticism of his followers.
 
When the hell did subscribing to a non-Aristotelian philosophical system become a mortal sin? Philosophy IS quite distinct from religion. It requires the assent of reason, not the assent of faith, and demanding the assent of faith for it is idolatry. And Thomas Aquinas would agree with me on this, despite the fanaticism of his followers.
Nothing you have said negates the fact the he is a lost soul of the enlightenment. Neither is it necessarily the case that it was meant in a religious sense. If you understand your own logic to be correct, then you might say that those who don’t conform to your system of thought are lost souls, intellectually speaking.
 
Nothing you have said negates the fact the he is a lost soul of the enlightenment. Neither is it necessarily the case that it was meant in a religious sense. If you understand your own logic to be correct, then you might say that those who don’t conform to your system of thought are lost souls, intellectually speaking.
Only if you presume your own infallibility. Despite my own Heideggerianism I don’t regard non-Heideggerians as being “lost souls” because there is no obligation to even study philosophy, much less learn from one particular school. Philosophy gives us mental categories for trying to understand the world (something I learned from Kant), not descriptions of the physical composition of the world. Except insofar as you set yourself in opposition to truth - denying science in the name of your philosophy, etc. - or idolize your philosophy into an absolute system to be discovered “out there”, you’re not a lost soul; you’re just badly mistaken about a few things. (Newton and Einstein were badly mistaken about many things in science; that doesn’t make them “lost souls”.) Calling someone a “lost soul” for reading Wittgenstein instead of Heidegger is equivalent to regarding someone as a “lost soul” because he majored in biology, thereby depriving himself of the profound truths of chemistry.
 
Nothing you have said negates the fact the he is a lost soul of the enlightenment. Neither is it necessarily the case that it was meant in a religious sense. If you understand your own logic to be correct, then you might say that those who don’t conform to your system of thought are lost souls, intellectually speaking.
By the way, many intellectual historians consider Kant to be more of a reaction against the Enlightenment rather than a good representative of it, despite his desire to save Enlightenment philosophy - mostly I think because of the ties to Romanticism that his disciples (Fichte and Schelling) forged. And while Kant’s own philosophy has often been argued to have strong Lutheran influences due to its emphasis on faith and practical reason and its belief in the inability of reason to grasp the noumena, both Fichte and Schelling took his philosophy in a very Catholic direction. Novalis’ thought is nothing but a poet’s distillation of Fichte, as can be seen by reading his (Novalis’) philosophical works, and Schelling was often (mistakenly) thought to have converted to Catholicism.
 
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