Spiritual Body ====> pneumatikon soma; yes, but a solid body nonetheless. Flesh and **bones, **remember?“Just as a blind man is unable to form any idea about colors, or a deaf person to fathom what it means to hear sounds… so the body cannot comprehend the delights of the soul… For we live in a material world, and the only kind of pleasure we can understand is that experienced through our body. But the joys of the spirit are everlasting and ceaseless. There is no resemblance of any kind between the enjoyments of the soul and those of the body.”
–Maimonides
This is from a Jewish mystic, but seems to suggest that the body and soul are separate. Maimonides also suggests that the glorifies bodies will be spiritual, not physical. The body of the resurrected Christ seems to be consistent with this notion in that He was able to walk through locked doors.
Nope.Do you believe that the body acts as a prison for the soul?
Well, if you agree that the glorified body is entirely spiritual, that’s fine, but as for Christ, He walked right through a locked door; that’s impossible if His body was physical.Spiritual Body ====> pneumatikon soma; yes, but a solid body nonetheless. Flesh and **bones, **remember?
And our LORD’s “new” body seems to at least to include in part the original body, as the tomb was empty.
Soul and soma are **separable, **owing to the hideous shamefulness that is human death, but not fundamentally separate. Without soul, body can’t be alive, without body, soul can’t live life.
ICXC NIKA.
Because like most people, he was afraid to die?If Saint Paul meant what you think he did, why, in 1 Corinthians, does he long for **bodily ** resurrection so badly?
ICXC NIKA.
More links from you and no actual discussion from you. Typical.Strange Notions has an interesting discussion going on in defense of the essential unity of body and soul.
strangenotions.com/body-soul-and-the-mindbrain-question/
strangenotions.com/why-materialism-and-dualism-both-fail-to-explain-your-mind/
Linus2nd
Tell me what your experience ought to be. Remember, we are talking about eternity.Because like most people, he was afraid to die?
I got over that a long time ago. Imagine going into nothingness for all time. You can’t have an experience of nothingness, because nothingness is not an experience. Nothing is nothing to be afraid of.
All the best
Gary
Good Morning StraberryJam: I don’t think anyone can say how it should be. We’re so used to being “told” how things are and how things should be that we’ve forgotten how to explore our own possibilities. My personal ideas on the matter of what my experience and your experience should be is that it should be whatever we make it to be. None of this is happening without you and me and every other living thing. Without all of us, nothing is being experienced. Which means we are making it happen. That would mean we’re it. In that case, I think our purpose would simply be experience. Imagine that if in all the universe, there was in fact only one soul or one consciousness, and the organisms that we take to be separate entities such as Strawberry Jam and Gary Sheldrake were simply apertures through which it experiences itself. We generate experience, and experience is what we crave, and without experience nothing means anything, which in turn means we are making the whole thing happen. Imagine that the universe was one giant organism (which it actually is) and it had one consciousness that expresses itself in countless ways through countless beings, and that we’re all *you. *Tell me what your experience ought to be. Remember, we are talking about eternity.
How perfect does it have to be really?But the language of Thomists is that the human is in a violent state of existence, and yet still sees the Beatific Vision before the resurrection according to Dogma. **Yet nothing imperfect can see God. **It’s not as if the soul gets to peek behind a curtain. Its a loving relationship and that moment of consummation must be a perfect moment. So the soul must have its own perfection apart from the body, and having a body must be simply the frosting on the cake, it being fitting for the body to have its form.
As a Catholic, which you claim in your info, you go to Mass weekly and there you confess that you believe in the resurrection of the body, not just your body, but that of all, meaning you are other than the rest of us, for you confess you believe in the Church. And you confess that there is eternal life, life after you die and rise from your physical death, just as really happened to Jesus (which you confessed earlier in the same creed).Good Morning StraberryJam: I don’t think anyone can say how it should be. We’re so used to being “told” how things are and how things should be that we’ve forgotten how to explore our own possibilities. My personal ideas on the matter of what my experience and your experience should be is that it should be whatever we make it to be. None of this is happening without you and me and every other living thing. Without all of us, nothing is being experienced. Which means we are making it happen. That would mean we’re it. In that case, I think our purpose would simply be experience. Imagine that if in all the universe, there was in fact only one soul or one consciousness, and the organisms that we take to be separate entities such as Strawberry Jam and Gary Sheldrake were simply apertures through which it experiences itself. We generate experience, and experience is what we crave, and without experience nothing means anything, which in turn means we are making the whole thing happen. Imagine that the universe was one giant organism (which it actually is) and it had one consciousness that expresses itself in countless ways through countless beings, and that we’re all *you. *
These are ideas that anyone can think about for themselves and prove simply by being. You don’t need Saint So and So or the Prophet This or That or this dogma or that doctrine. Your life is about your experiences - your friends, your pain, your pleasure, your adventures and your thoughts on he matter. Without you there is no point. It is not about a theology or about a religion or about people who lived a few thousand years ago. It’s about you. You are what the universe is doing at the nexus of space and time where you are sitting, just like a wave is what the ocean is doing at the spot where the wave is. The idea I have is that it’s all *you, *and we are all one.
Now I saw in an earlier post that you don’t like it when people post links, but I would like to offer this short three minute clip to convey some portion of this idea. And even if you don’t agree with the idea, at least it would be an interesting experience to consider.
youtube.com/watch?v=wU0PYcCsL6o
Just my point of view.
All the best,
Gary
No, body is not just the frosting on the cake. Body is the whole deal, as is the psyche or mind.But the language of Thomists is that the human is in a violent state of existence, and yet still sees the Beatific Vision before the resurrection according to Dogma. **Yet nothing imperfect can see God. **It’s not as if the soul gets to peek behind a curtain. Its a loving relationship and that moment of consummation must be a perfect moment. So the soul must have its own perfection apart from the body, and having a body must be simply the frosting on the cake, it being fitting for the body to have its form.
The soul does “see” God in the beatific vision in heaven, yet the person is not perfect until he can be “in Act”, meaning until he can shine forth from himself the glory he has in God’s presence.But the language of Thomists is that the human is in a violent state of existence, and yet still sees the Beatific Vision before the resurrection according to Dogma. **Yet nothing imperfect can see God. **It’s not as if the soul gets to peek behind a curtain. Its a loving relationship and that moment of consummation must be a perfect moment. So the soul must have its own perfection apart from the body, and having a body must be simply the frosting on the cake, it being fitting for the body to have its form.