Is the book of Revelation mostly literal or mostly symbolic?

[jimmy85]

Iraneus, who was a follower of Polycarp, who knew John personally said John, “reckons according to the Greek system” – which is to say the Pythagorian numerology. Most modern commnetators agree the “666” refers to Nero, and the second beast is Domitian.

Thats true.

Jewish letters equivalent value
Nun N 50
Resh R 200
Waw W 6
Nun N 50
Qoph Q 100
Samek S 60
Resh R 200

total 666

NRWNQSR
The jewish don’t have vowels on their language. One must find out the name without using the vowels.

NeRWN QaSaR is the fonetic on Hebrew for Nerón Káiser “Neron Cesar”

I think that for a proper interpratation of revelations we must go straight to what the church teaches on the seminarys for the priests. Also to Scott Hans or to the Church Fahters they are well aquainted with all this.

catholicismandbibletheology.blog.com/

 

[vern_humphrey]

I knew that. I was trying to find out where the poster I addressed got the “www” from.

It isn’t the number of the Beast, it’s his url.

 

[lak611]

Jewish letters equivalent value
Nun N 50
Resh R 200
Waw W 6
Nun N 50
Qoph Q 100
Samek S 60
Resh R 200

total 666

NRWNQSR
The jewish don’t have vowels on their language. One must find out the name without using the vowels.

NeRWN QaSaR is the fonetic on Hebrew for Nerón Káiser “Neron Cesar”

That’s what I thought. 666 is the numerical value of Caesar Nero in Hebrew from spelling out his name in Hebrew. I never heard of the “www” before, and “www” does not make sense. I’m still waiting to see where the poster who said “www” came up with that explanation.

 

[trth_skr]

Thats true.

Jewish letters equivalent value
Nun N 50
Resh R 200
Waw W 6
Nun N 50
Qoph Q 100
Samek S 60
Resh R 200

total 666

NRWNQSR
The jewish don’t have vowels on their language. One must find out the name without using the vowels.

NeRWN QaSaR is the fonetic on Hebrew for Nerón Káiser “Neron Cesar”

I think that for a proper interpratation of revelations we must go straight to what the church teaches on the seminarys for the priests. Also to Scott Hans or to the Church Fahters they are well aquainted with all this.

catholicismandbibletheology.blog.com/

More from Chapter 13 of The Apocalypse of St. John:

“…Nero was once a candidate, but in order to have his name add up to 666, an “n” had to be attached to Nero (i.e., “Neron Caesar”). Caligula was also a candidate, since if his name is rendered Cajus Caesar,… it adds up to 616, and this is probably why a variant Greek manuscript contained 616… This was a tempting interpretation, since Caligula erected an image of himself in the temple at Jerusalem, and he reigned from March 37 A.D. to January 41 A.D., which is 3 years and 10 months (or approximately three and a half years, which some exegetes were anxious to equate with the 3½ years of Dn 9:24-27 or the “time, times and half time” of Ap 12:14). Gematria has also been used with reverence to other prominent figures (Kaiser Wilhelm, Mussolini, Adolph Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Richard Nixon, etc.). The attempt is to find one man of colossal political and religious power that dominates the world. These attempts are futile, however, not only because dozens of names can be so molded that they will produce 666, but mainly because the exegete has constrained himself to a literal interpretation in a book that is highly symbolic.”

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[ironchef]

I cannot answer the poll based on the choices. Revelation is both literal and symbolic.

hi, and pray to Mary. you hope its symbolic. get on your knees andpray to every statue that the Catholic church has and ask them to make revelations symbolic.because if revelations is true, the Catholic Church is going to be tossed into the lake of fire alomg with its head, satan. thanks for your time

 

[ironchef]

I did vote for it being symbolic. I do share some of the concerns that it has literal meaning, but it clearly is written in symbolic language. Symbolism is generally symbolic of something, and that something in the Apocalypse is the reality of the Church age.

Mark Wyatt
www.veritas-catholic.blogspot.com

hi, you are darned right that the symbols mean something. they mean what they say.if you assume revelations doesnt mean what it says, then the rest of the bible doesnt mean what it says.

 

[jimmy85]

I think we catholics must be more thankfull, we have the entire plenitude of everything that God gave to mankind the 7 sacraments, the representant of God the Pope , Our holy Mother, the mercy n the precious body n blood of Christ n I cant name all the gifts we have, also we have responsabilitys for those sublime gifts.
Some people only have the bible with erroneous interpratations
and in their mistake they think catholicism is something evil.
I will pray for them , I think it must be horrible to think that God only left us the bible and an invisible chruch.

 

[trth_skr]

That’s what I thought. 666 is the numerical value of Caesar Nero in Hebrew from spelling out his name in Hebrew. I never heard of the “www” before, and “www” does not make sense. I’m still waiting to see where the poster who said “www” came up with that explanation.

Found this ion the internet- gives you at leaast the origin of the idea:

av1611.org/666/www_666.html

i.e., w = 6, so 666= www in Hebrew. Really does not work.

Mark Wyatt
www.veritas-catholic.blogspot.com

 

[lak611]

Found this ion the internet- gives you at leaast the origin of the idea:

av1611.org/666/www_666.html

i.e., w = 6, so 666= www in Hebrew. Really does not work.

Mark Wyatt
www.veritas-catholic.blogspot.com

Wow, what silly stuff people come up with.:whacky:

 

[cpayne]

Beware 668—the neighbor of the beast.

 

[walt2000]

More from Chapter 13 of The Apocalypse of St. John:

“…Nero was once a candidate, but in order to have his name add up to 666, an “n” had to be attached to Nero (i.e., “Neron Caesar”). Caligula was also a candidate, since if his name is rendered Cajus Caesar,… it adds up to 616, and this is probably why a variant Greek manuscript contained 616… This was a tempting interpretation, since Caligula erected an image of himself in the temple at Jerusalem, and he reigned from March 37 A.D. to January 41 A.D., which is 3 years and 10 months (or approximately three and a half years, which some exegetes were anxious to equate with the 3½ years of Dn 9:24-27 or the “time, times and half time” of Ap 12:14). Gematria has also been used with reverence to other prominent figures (Kaiser Wilhelm, Mussolini, Adolph Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Richard Nixon, etc.). The attempt is to find one man of colossal political and religious power that dominates the world. These attempts are futile, however, not only because dozens of names can be so molded that they will produce 666, but mainly because the exegete has constrained himself to a literal interpretation in a book that is highly symbolic.”

%between%

This thread do’s not seam to like the use of germ atria in it’s vocabulary, yet it allows other members to use germ atria ,germ atria is used through out Revelations in it structure.Like the trinity of the sevens (777)yet I was told not to use the knowledge I discovered, for Christ and the trinity and in many other areas ,six’s (666) the number of man.To id Revelation you have to use the method the founding fathers used to hide Rev.for 2000 years ago.the use of the number 40 and any more.why wont this thread let me use germ atria in my descriptions walt2000

 

[walt2000]

This is not fair walt2000

 

[walt2000]

by the way you have another 666 fighting your hero’s as I type.Antichrist false prophet spouting Babel.walt2000 leave Nero in hell where he belongs ,Hitler and the French one to.I sure you can find a few 666’s in Asia to.walt2000

 

[walt2000]

Where is there a good commentary on the book of Revelation?

Where is there a good commentary on the book of Revelation?
the best copy is not written yet.they all brake the rules. walt2000

 

[StevenFrancis]

Where is there a good commentary on the book of Revelation?
the best copy is not written yet.they all brake the rules. walt2000

I doubt I’m the first to suggest Scott Hahn’s, “The Lamb’s Supper”. It has everything you NEED to know. Does it break down? probably. We’re ALL of us human beings. We’re not divine.

Peace to you,

Stevn

 

[walt2000]

By the way, we have not even mentioned Re.21-22,It is riddled with symbolic language, and (germatria in it’s vocabulary),very heavy use of the number 12 ,12*12,144,144,000,gates of pure Pearl streets of pure gold, precious stones, very very little is literal in it’s content.
After the last thunder ,and the white horse WINS ,the last two chapters are DIVINE.walt2000
Sorry about Scott Hahn’s,book if you like his version of Revelations it is up to You.

 

[Beachcomber]

While it’s not a commentary in the strictest sense, I read “A Complete Idiot’s Guide to the Book of Revelation.” It helped me get some sense of what was going on.

 

[walt2000]

"A Complete Idiot’s Guide to the Book of Revelation
Do they have such a book ?walt2000
Or are you pulling my leg.?

 

[Icarus210]

The most compelling book I have read on the Apocrapha is

The Book of Destiny (Paperback)
by Herman Bernard F. Leonard Kramer (Author)

30 years of his life he researched this subject. Just brilliant.

 

[trth_skr]

Quote:
Originally Posted by trth_skr forums.catholic-questions.org/images/buttons/viewpost.gif
More from Chapter 13 of The Apocalypse of St. John:

"…Nero was once a candidate, but in order to have his name add up to 666, an “n” had to be attached to Nero (i.e., “Neron Caesar”). Caligula was also a candidate, since if his name is rendered Cajus Caesar,… it adds up to 616, and this is probably why a variant Greek manuscript contained 616… This was a tempting interpretation, since Caligula erected an image of himself in the temple at Jerusalem, and he reigned from March 37 A.D. to January 41 A.D., which is 3 years and 10 months (or approximately three and a half years, which some exegetes were anxious to equate with the 3½ years of Dn 9:24-27 or the “time, times and half time” of Ap 12:14). Gematria has also been used with reverence to other prominent figures (Kaiser Wilhelm, Mussolini, Adolph Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Richard Nixon, etc.). The attempt is to find one man of colossal political and religious power that dominates the world. These attempts are futile, however, not only because dozens of names can be so molded that they will produce 666, but mainly because the exegete has constrained himself to a literal interpretation in a book that is highly symbolic."

This thread do’s not seam to like the use of germ atria in it’s vocabulary, yet it allows other members to use germ atria ,germ atria is used through out Revelations in it structure.Like the trinity of the sevens (777)yet I was told not to use the knowledge I discovered, for Christ and the trinity and in many other areas ,six’s (666) the number of man.To id Revelation you have to use the method the founding fathers used to hide Rev.for 2000 years ago.the use of the number 40 and any more.why wont this thread let me use germ atria in my descriptions walt2000

Robert Sungenis iss only suggsting some drawbacks to using gematria. He does not say you cannot use it. He does talk a lot about the significance of numbers throughout the book, but only warns about using gematria in the case of “666”. He says:

“…These attempts [to apply gematria to the number “666”- Mark] are futile, however, not only because dozens of names can be so molded that they will produce 666, but mainly because the exegete has constrained himself to a literal interpretation in a book that is highly symbolic…”

Mark Wyatt
www.veritas-catholic.blogspot.com