Is the Canon of Scripture closed?

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I was recently reading the Council of Trent on the Canon of Scripture and it seems to me that the Church validated the canon in the Vulgate but did not condemn or invalidate any other canon of Scripture in Christendom.

For instance, the Orthodox Canon is different than that which we use. But, taking the Council of Trent literally, it is not invalidated by their decree.

The only thing condemned by the Council of Trent seems to be, the idea that the canon of the Vulgate is invalid.

Read it yourself and let me know what you think:
ewtn.com/library/councils/trent4.htm

Sincerely,

De Maria
 
I’ve actually been thinking about this lately too. If we were to have unity with the Orthodox, the canon would be something that would HAVE to be discussed and I agree with you, that the wording seems to leave open the possibility of including those in the Orthodox canon. I am really interested in other people thoughts about this.
 
I was recently reading the Council of Trent on the Canon of Scripture and it seems to me that the Church validated the canon in the Vulgate but did not condemn or invalidate any other canon of Scripture in Christendom.

For instance, the Orthodox Canon is different than that which we use. But, taking the Council of Trent literally, it is not invalidated by their decree.

The only thing condemned by the Council of Trent seems to be, the idea that the canon of the Vulgate is invalid.

Read it yourself and let me know what you think:
ewtn.com/library/councils/trent4.htm

Sincerely,

De Maria
The Council of Trent CLOSED the Canon. End of story.
 
There was another thread discussing this very question with relation to the Orthodox. If I may copy-paste. :o
Even though the Catholic Canon is traceable to the local synods of Rome, Hippo, and Carthage, they were not ecumenical at the time. But history has shown them to be the point of origin of a certified Catholic canon. By the time ecumenical councils of Florence (15th century) and Trent (16th century) affirmed those ancient canons, the Orthodox weren’t recognizing ecumenical councils.

Also, let it be noted, that according even to some Orthodox, the Orthodox themselves do not have an agreed upon canon. For example, Orthodox priest Fr. Stergiou writes: “there are also inconsistencies in the different Traditions of Orthodoxy on which books are to be included in the greater Canon.”

At the heart of it, if you think about it, since there are Orthodox traditions that have more contents in their canons than the Catholic Bibles, they really are not disunited with the Catholic claim of the 73 books. Orthodox agree those 73 books are divinely inspired. On that point, the Orthodox and Catholics are in agreement before and after 1054. It should also be noted that the Orthodox do not point to an ecumenical council that determined the canon.

And although this may be slightly controversial, I think it’s worth pointing out. The language of the Council of Trent said this:*And it has thought it meet that a list of the sacred books be inserted in this decree, lest a doubt may arise in any one’s mind, which are the books that are received by this Synod. They are as set down here below … [lists the books] … But if any one receive not, as sacred and canonical, the said books entire with all their parts…let him be anathema.*To me that does not refer to a closed canon, but identifies what has been received. It is an affirmation of X, not a denial of Y, per se. Some may argue that the Ordinary Magisterium has closed the canon by its actions, and that is a valid argument. On the other hand, the Council of Trent, when considering the issue of the canonicity of a few other books, the Council elected to not explicitly reject those books. Catholic canon historian Gary Michuta writes:*This is a matter of record, not of interpretation. On March 29, 1546 the Council Fathers took up the fourth of fourteen questions (Capita Dubitationum) on Scripture and Tradition. At issue was whether those books that were not included in the official list, but were included in the Latin Vulgate (e.g. The Book of Esdras, Fourth Ezra, and Third Maccabees), should be rejected by a Conciliar decree, or be passed over in silence. Only three Fathers voted for an explicit rejection. Forty-two voted that the status of these books should be passed over in silence. *Now, all that being said, I don’t foresee any sign of the Catholic canon adding books. I think those arguing for a closed canon via the Ordinary Magisterium could make a decent argument. However, I think it’s also a viable argument to say the Catholic decrees on the canon do not contradict the Orthodox canons. It’s one thing to say A is true, and B is not true and another thing to just say A is true without commenting on B. Anyway, maybe the Spirit will eventually sort that out more clearly, at least to foggy people like me. :o
 
The Council of Trent CLOSED the Canon. End of story.
Source?

I don’t mean to be a jerk. I’m not the best at providing sources either. But in this case I think there really is no statement from the Church closing the canon anywhere to be found.

I highly doubt that any more books will ever be added, but the Church does not seem to have ever definitively closed the canon.
 
I’m not the best at providing sources either. But in this case I think there really is no statement from the Church closing the canon anywhere to be found.
I heard this same question once on Catholic answers, and the guy who answered the question said that the 73 books in the Roman canon must be included but is not limited to.

There are some Eastern Catholics, I believe, who have more than 73 books.
 
Source?

I don’t mean to be a jerk. I’m not the best at providing sources either. But in this case I think there really is no statement from the Church closing the canon anywhere to be found.

I highly doubt that any more books will ever be added, but the Church does not seem to have ever definitively closed the canon.
Read The Council of Trent document.
 
Read The Council of Trent document.
Why don’t you explain it to us? We have read it and found that the Church validates the canon in the Vulgate but does not reject any other books. So, please show us how you read it.

Sincerely,

De Maria
 
Why don’t you explain it to us? We have read it and found that the Church validates the canon in the Vulgate but does not reject any other books. So, please show us how you read it.

Sincerely,

De Maria
The Council of Trent confirmed and defined authoritatively what books comprised the Bible. By definition that means there are no “missing” or “yet to be found” books.

I also asked a priest friend of mine and he told me this:

" The Deposit of Faith was fully revealed through Jesus. The OT which was a partial revelation of God’s truth was completed with the coming of Jesus. The Canon is the list of the Biblical Books authoritatively recognized by the Church as inspired and normative for its teaching and practice. If part of the Deposit of Faith revealed fully in Jesus, has remained unrecognized, hence omitted from the Canon, then for 2000 years the Church has been deprived of a part of the full Deposit of Faith. And this is ridiculous as Divine Providence would never have allowed it.

So there can be no new addition to the listed books of the Bible which constitute the established Canon."
 
The Council of Trent confirmed and defined authoritatively what books comprised the Bible. By definition that means there are no “missing” or “yet to be found” books.

I also asked a priest friend of mine and he told me this:

" The Deposit of Faith was fully revealed through Jesus. The OT which was a partial revelation of God’s truth was completed with the coming of Jesus. The Canon is the list of the Biblical Books authoritatively recognized by the Church as inspired and normative for its teaching and practice. If part of the Deposit of Faith revealed fully in Jesus, has remained unrecognized, hence omitted from the Canon, then for 2000 years the Church has been deprived of a part of the full Deposit of Faith. And this is ridiculous as Divine Providence would never have allowed it.

So there can be no new addition to the listed books of the Bible which constitute the established Canon."
Well, the Council established that the books in our Bible ARE the Canon, but it did not say if other books are NOT. And the off-chance that there exist books which are part of the Deposit of Faith which have not been in our Canon…this doesn’t mean we have been deprived of that Deposit of Faith…because we do not rely solely on Scriptures. Even Scripture tells us that not all of the Deposit of Faith is recorded in Scripture (Jn 20:30; 21:25). So, it is plausible that there do exist other inspired writings that could plausibly be added to the Canon of Scripture. And if it were so, they would not reveal anything new about the Deposit of Faith because the full Deposit of Faith is handed to us via Apostolic Tradition…the Scriptures just happen to have recorded some of that.

Personally, I think the Canon is closed…but I think there is more to be considered here.

I’d really like to hear a Protestant’s or Reformed Christian’s explanation on this…
 
The Council of Trent CLOSED the Canon. End of story.
From what I am to understand, it actually didn’t. The list of scripture provided is inclusive. In other words, every book listed is holy scripture officially, however it was not closed and the Church may include another book at another time.
 
From what I am to understand, it actually didn’t. The list of scripture provided is inclusive. ** In other words, every book listed is holy scripture officially, however it was not closed and the Church may include another book at another time.**
Okay then where does the Church state that books may be added to the Canon?
 
Okay then where does the Church state that books may be added to the Canon?
It doesn’t. Books may not be added to the canon. The belief is that books of scripture we don’t know about yet may exist, and even if we don’t know about them, if they’re scripture, they’re already part of the canon. So the discovery of another book of the bible would not be an addition to the canon - much like canonizing a saint does not make that person into a saint. They already were one. It’s just a declaration that now we know they’re a saint.
 
Okay then where does the Church state that books may be added to the Canon?
What some of us are saying here is that the text of Trent doesn’t comment on whether the canon is “open” or “closed.” It lists what the Church has received as Scripture. It says: “the books that are received by this Synod.”

They also voted to pass in silence over the canonicity of The Book of Esdras, Fourth Ezra, and Third Maccabees. To me that suggests that recognition of other divinely inspired text in the future is not an “impossibility.”
 
The Council of Trent confirmed and defined authoritatively what books comprised the Bible. By definition that means there are no “missing” or “yet to be found” books.

I also asked a priest friend of mine and he told me this:

" The Deposit of Faith was fully revealed through Jesus. The OT which was a partial revelation of God’s truth was completed with the coming of Jesus. The Canon is the list of the Biblical Books authoritatively recognized by the Church as inspired and normative for its teaching and practice. If part of the Deposit of Faith revealed fully in Jesus, has remained unrecognized, hence omitted from the Canon, then for 2000 years the Church has been deprived of a part of the full Deposit of Faith. And this is ridiculous as Divine Providence would never have allowed it.

So there can be no new addition to the listed books of the Bible which constitute the established Canon."
Before the schism in the year 800, the Eastern Catholics, now knows as the Orthodox Churches, were using a 78 and 83 book canon. The Council of Trent did not condemn such usage.

Those books were also part of the Septuagint which Jesus Christ used.

Therefore, if the Church did not condemn their usage, but only condemned anyone who would deny the validity of the Vulgate, what authority do you have to do so?

Sincerely,

De Maria
 
Well, the Council established that the books in our Bible ARE the Canon, but it did not say if other books are NOT. And the off-chance that there exist books which are part of the Deposit of Faith which have not been in our Canon…this doesn’t mean we have been deprived of that Deposit of Faith…because we do not rely solely on Scriptures. Even Scripture tells us that not all of the Deposit of Faith is recorded in Scripture (Jn 20:30; 21:25). So, it is plausible that there do exist other inspired writings that could plausibly be added to the Canon of Scripture. And if it were so, they would not reveal anything new about the Deposit of Faith because the full Deposit of Faith is handed to us via Apostolic Tradition…the Scriptures just happen to have recorded some of that.

Personally, I think the Canon is closed…but I think there is more to be considered here.

I’d really like to hear a Protestant’s or Reformed Christian’s explanation on this…
I don’t understand why you would want Protestant’s to weigh in, they don’t even want the Bible we already have. They definitely consider the Canon closed at 66 books.
 
It doesn’t. Books may not be added to the canon. The belief is that books of scripture we don’t know about yet may exist, and even if we don’t know about them, if they’re scripture, they’re already part of the canon. So the discovery of another book of the bible would not be an addition to the canon - much like canonizing a saint does not make that person into a saint. They already were one. It’s just a declaration that now we know they’re a saint.
We do know about them. The Church used a particular phrase:
…Moreover, the same holy council considering that not a little advantage will accrue to the Church of God if it be made known which of all the Latin editions of the sacred books now in circulation is to be regarded as authentic, ordains and declares that the old Latin Vulgate Edition, which, in use for so many hundred years, has been approved by the Church, be in public lectures, disputations, sermons and expositions held as authentic, and that no one dare or presume under any pretext whatsoever to reject it…

The Church made reference only to the “Latin” editions of the Bible. However, the Orthodox have always used the Greek editions. The Church did not comment on those but is very well aware that they exist and have existed from the beginning of the Church.

I sincerely doubt that any other books which are heretofore unknown could make it into the Sacred canon. But if we were ever unified with the Orthodox Church, the canon of the Greek Bibles would probably have to be accepted.

Sincerely,

De Maria
 
if I remember right, the council of Florence was an eumenical council that included the Orthodox. The council of Trent reassured Catholics of their pre-existing canon that was being challenged by Protestants.

If you look at all the ancient Christian bibles in existence today they all use the Septuagint for the OT and they all have 46 books. So it would seem to me that if the Orthodox did reunite with us then going back to 46 books as their canon would be like going back to their ancient roots.
 
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